Forum Post: OWS should demand that supporters renounce drugs and alcohol
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 23, 2011, 3:06 p.m. EST by OregonRuts
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If you see someone lighting up a blunt, kindly ask them to refrain. If they refuse, narc them out to the authorities. If yo asking for income redistribution, all people must be truly free of vice.
Pure of mind and spirit.
I don't use any myself and i agree it's better to live without alcohol etc. But i would never demand anyone else to do the same. As long as they don't harm others, they should be free to make their own choices.
Ok then lets ask the NFL to renounce budweiser and coors. Get a life you rat.
Dude, now you're talking crazy talk.
"all people must be truly free of vice.
Pure of mind and spirit."
Who are you to dictate or judge what is truly free or what is pure of mind or spirit?
I can understand the rationale for not lighting up or imbibing simply because it runs the risk of making "them" have a cause for breaking up the camps but what does income redistribution have to do with drugs? Hell, what does it have to do with being free or pure?
Then why would people not have the right to keep all their money and never pay taxes? Greed is a vice to be removed, as is sloth and gluttony and drunkeness.
Vices are there for you to become stronger and learn control. Not to be obliterated because they're inconvenient. Desires like these are completely natural and I would not consider myself free or pure if I did not imbibe in lust, drunkeness (which isn't a deadly sin, though I see what you did there), vanity, pride, or envy. These things give humans ambition and furthermore, fun times to enjoy and spread experiences see: boasting / experimenting.
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posts like this are the way forward to fascism! Some of the people on this forum make me regret my OWS campaigning! Why the HELL would I support a movement that wants to regulate how I live my life!???
Freedom not slavery I am DISGUSTED by this post!
Let's not worry about our "image". Let's worry about solving our problem... a broken democracy as well as a corporate media that very much enjoys that broken democracy. Pot and beer and sex and drugs and rock'n'roll are not the problems. And god bless America if they aren't indeed part of the solution! Fun is not a crime. Legalized bribery and robbing the public resources are crimes.
But thank you for your concern!
I am not saying drugs and alcohol are a good thhing, and I do believe the open abuse of both have detracted from the movement. However, I do not think it is wise to tell people that in order to have the right to support they have to reshape there image.....even drunks and druggies are part of the 99%.
You want to try that renunciation on Wallstreet?
High-ons and drunks playing with the Worlds economy.
Widen your point of view, please.
Good luck finding a group that is free of all vices. You won't even find that inside a church. Still, it is true as some say below that seeing people smoking pot or doing other such things gives ammo to detractors who say, "This is just a bunch of pot-smoking, neo-hippies looking for a cause to get angry about."
That isn't true about Occupy Wall Street. From what I've seen so far, there are a number of respectable people among the ranks. But it does have a negative impact on the effectiveness of the movement in rousing a public outcry.
--Knave Dave http://thegreatrecession.info/blog/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-now-unoccupied-but-stronger/
Bush , Cheney and Limbaugh have had substance abuse problems. Cheney shoots friend in face with gun.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
We should focus on the illegal things bankers are doing rather than policing a few people who smoke pot. More than 50% of americans favor decriminalization of pot. so I don't see how becoming the police our selves helps to fight them. I suspect you are just trying to get us to turn on each other. your divisive tactics will not work we all represent ourselves and no one else. Ignore all posts that sound like someone is trying to turn us on each other, lets stay focused on our main goal, the real issue. Getting corporate greed out of politics.
How in the world would the average person EVER accept taxing the rich, if they thought that money would be spent on pot? Seriously. At the very least it's a public relations nightmare, You are reinforcing the notion that OWS is just a bunch pot smoking hippies.
If you are seeking an ideal then you should be ideal yourselves. You sound like a congressman, telling people to sacrifice, while not altering their own behavior to form an Olympian ideal.
altering their own behavior, what does pot smoking have to do with billionaire hedgefund managers who illegally gambled teachers pensions away and are now donating millions to candidates so that they cover their asses and never have to go to jail. and you are worried about some highschool kid experimenting with an herb. I think you could regain some of those tax dollars by legalizing pot and taxing it the way we make billions in taxes off cigarettes and alcohol two drugs that are much more harmful
I personally would ban alcohol and cigarettes. That's just me.
OWS is in a public relations fight. Perception is reality. If OWS renounced drugs, cigarettes, and alcohol, the average person would see OWS as truly serious, determined people trying to make America better. America is not a better place with thev3 listed above.
80% of marijuana permits in Colorado go to men from 18-30. The general public is never going going to agree to higher taxes on older, richer Americans if they think it's going to be spent on pot by younger "lazier" people. A drug free OWS is a powerful statement.
I do not use drugs or alcohol. However, it is not my place to tell people when and how to recreate.
That said, it must be abundantly clear that the front lines of protest are no place for the inebriated. There is a very clear reason for this, which should be obvious. Clear heads are required where tensions are high, clear heads will reduce the possibility of violence and so corruption of our message.
I have been saying for some time:
Either we must enforce the law,
or we must change the law.
Those who recreate with substances that are currently illegal today have not been listening, and that despite the deaths of over 40,000 human beings below our southern border. Failure to address their own participation in a black market economy that serves U.S. Consumer Demand while at the same time protesting injustice of any kind here is utter hypocrisy.
As far as rats go - rats permeate the underworld at all levels, from the top down, it is a part of the strategy to maintain and expand market share.
If you are telling people how much they should be taxed, you have the rightvto tell them how to recreate.
There is grotesque error in your reasoning.
The matter of Taxation is a Public Matter, and you should take note that this Public Funding does go to maintain Roads, civil services like Fire Depts, Police, FBI . . .
All services that, indeed, you do depend on . . .
The matter of Personal Recreation is, indeed, a Personal Matter.
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Of course you disagree, and you do so on a very fundamental level. You believe that even one's sexual behavior is a matter for government regulation while business entities rape the public unchecked.
Were such things left to my care I would police such thoughts from the public mind, and I would begin on an individual basis. I would begin with tools like shock therapy. Over time I would of course, develop much more sophisticated, and subtle means . . .
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I agree snitches get stitches but those who are getting high at #OWS protest are hurting the cause and giving the mayors of those cities some support when they say that they are breaking up camps because of crime and drug use at events. So please refrain and get high somewhere else to help the movement thank you
OWS is about ridding the world of one of the vices, greed/avarice. It should also be ridding the world of all vices. Gluttony, sloth, etc.
You know what happens to narcs? do you not?
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