Forum Post: OWS and the Tea party should join up.
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 7, 2011, 2:14 a.m. EST by mb0
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Both are unorganized, both want smaller government, both want change, both have some level of support for Ron Lawl. I realize that the two movements are made up of two very different types of people, but we're all Americans. The constitution says We the People, NOT We the Occupy Movement. This movement isn't just for the people in Liberty Square, it's for the 99%, and the children of the 99% who will have it worse if we don't succeed.
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Fuck the Tea Party... They are the 1% you idiot!!!
Actually they are the 99% that supports the 1%.
The Tea partiers are manipulated by the billionaire Kochs. They feed Kock to the tea partiers who snort them up.
A video about the Tea Party and how similar they are to OWS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCHAv25uTw
I think the tea party and ows should get it on and make beautiful bipartisan babies
Yeah, I appreciate the frustration of Tea Partiers, they just need to pull their head out of . . . the sand.
Though you may agree on the problems, I don't see how you will agree on the solutions:
Hmmmm, I hadn't looked at it like that, but not having strategy to gain the authority to do government right says that it would be okay to create bigger goverment IF that meant demands were met.---
Doing government right (shrinkin it) and gaining all authority needed to meet demands properly is an article 5 convention. Using our first and last constitutional right.
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No & No & No Tea Party is owned by Corporate interests
fuck the tea party... They are the 1%... If you are going to have a revolution, know who your enemy is.
Who is John Galt??
A character from a poorly thought out political treatise disguised as bland and terrible novel.
If ows and the T baggers dont unite..The term 99% is just plain dumb and fraudulent as is the claim that it is a place where people can voice their opinions...I have seen/heard several examples where people were shouted down for either being a Tbagger or talking truth or religion..
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I agree..Thing is there is a 99% who are being scammed by corporate banking/media /polotics and stuff.. They are waking up to being scammed..
If this movement was to unite them and through dialouge seek a solution it would grow.. But..I mostly see divide and ignorance.
more like the 9%
Actually all the polling I've seen says it's about 57% and resistance is fading.
the point is a lot of tea party people are being misled. instead of fighting among ourselves, we should be looking at the many similarities. The frustration level is high on both sides.
This is the way the 1% works. get the dog to chase his tail. Steal the bone while he is busy. Our division is what the elite want. Our unity is what they fear.
While we are bickering, they are sacking social security, and medicare, establishing voting laws around the country that deny access to voters, and destroying the middle class.
In the end the tea party is no more favored by the elite than OWS. In fact the same things that are hurting OWS also are hurting the tea party. When the bridge collapses it kills everybody on it regardless of political affiliation--yet the 1% don't want any infrastructure fix any more. They don't want the jobs that would cause more spending at the tea party small businesses.
They don't want regulation to make sure there is no toxic waste contaminating the ground water. They don't want regulation to make sure drugs are properly tested and don't have unintended and unknown side effects.
There are a bunch of things the tea party followers and OWS probably could agree on, but they have to talk to get to that point and the talking has to be from grass roots people not Dick Army and his gang.
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I don't think you understand.
Just found this: A video about the Tea Party and how similar they are to OWS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCHAv25uTw
Tea Party are Koch suckers
I agree w. you. This person, mb0, is complete out of touch or trying to co-opt the worldwide Occupy Movement.
mb0, please show your level of agreement by donating if you really think Occupy has the same goals as the Tea partiers
http://occupywallst.org/donate/
Occupy is not about wanting smaller government; Occupy is about creating jobs, caring about fellow citizens, taking back democracy from criminal mega corporations, ending the politics and economics of unbridled greed.
http://www.nycga.net/resources/declaration/
If you're not about smaller government then you are about larger government.
50 state governments, 50 different state tax codes (income or sales), 50 different state laws.
But only 1 Federal Government.
Want less government? It is not the Federal government we should get rid of. It is 50 redundant state governments we should rid ourselves of!
State legislatures are a redundant, unproductive middle management. In times of severe deficit shortfalls, we should excise this expendable fat from government, and stop paying state politicians. They don't do much more than their federally elected counterparts. They remind me of the tribal war lords in Afghanistan. When companies merge, middle management is the fat they trim. Voters should demand the same of government: Abolish state legislatures. Federal representatives are equally qualified to do state legislative functions, and can be paid a 10% bonus for doing so.
Think of not only the cost savings; think of how good this would be for businesses. You won't need to have accountants and lawyers who are experts on different state tax codes in different states. Do you know how much it costs to hire an accountant or a lawyer in each different state for your business?
Uniform, simplified taxation and business laws leads to freer and more efficient markets. Think of the redundancies of different state benefit processing centers all trying to do similar but unfortunately slightly different things.
We need a constitutional amendment. Yes! Smaller governments! Get rid of state governments. One United America.
There aren't enough down arrows in the world for that post. You can see the corruption of the central government as much as anybody... and you're calling to give it more power?
Amen. Yeah, let's grow one central authority! WTF?!?
Your rant is all about the elimination of state rights. States are actually territories inhabited by real people because people constitute a real presence. They own and co own their borders; in the case of the federal border these borders are merely co-opted, and only in respect to defense. Arizona will not give up it's state rights; Mississippi will not give up it's state rights; Delaware will not give up its state rights, or, its right to be a state. These are sovereign physical entities that exist as co-sovereign with other states and the federal government. The answer to better government is not less representatives but more representatives. Gonna let you in on another little secret too ok? Minorities are flocking to the municipalities and civil service for employment because they see them as a) stable and perpetual and b) a race free world because racism in government has been outlawed and is enforced.
You're right, states are people, and I just found this: A video about the Tea Party and how similar they are to OWS, amazing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCHAv25uTw
The key is to find common ground and make sure there are no 'show-stoppers" There needs to be willingness to compromise to make it work, but of course some things will not be negotiable, I am sure.
But who is the tea party? Not Dick Army and his astro-turf Koch brothers fraudulence. Something to think on...
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I changed my mind. We know the founders of the movement are the 1%, but a lot of the people in it are not. They are deluded or misled. I was just talking to someone who claimed to be in it. If that is true, it's not worth the waste of time. Too stoked on Fox news to let facts or truth get in the way. I don't see value in slogging away with them. They would just drain momentum. It would be better to be the 65% than to waste time on them.
The prejudice and hypocrisy is amazing in this country. They pick 2 bad apples and say that they represent the whole tea party. People get so upset about racism but then this prejudice is condoned. Then on the other side somebody in OWS shits in a police car and now the whole movement is police-car shitters. Come on!
Tea party just 11 months ago delivered the largest electoral history in half a century, and they haven't been snoozing since. If they are disorganized, I'm not sure what word we would use to describe OWS.
The Tea Party is highly organized. Where are you getting your information.
please show your level of agreement by donating if you really think Occupy has the same goals as the Tea partiers
http://occupywallst.org/donate/
Occupy is not about wanting smaller government; Occupy is about creating jobs, caring about fellow citizens, taking back democracy from criminal mega corporations, ending the politics and economics of unbridled greed.
http://www.nycga.net/resources/declaration/
Populist movements have a natural alignment
I don't have any support for the Tea Party or Ron Lawl.
The Tea Party loves the Tenth Amendment but seems to have amnesia when it comes to the Ninth and the rights retained by the people. There is a lot of talk when it comes to big government versus smaller government. That is it, just talk. Ask them to discuss the specifics and there is a fair amount of drool and blank looks involved.
I am not going to align myself with any group that is hell bent on destroying public education under the guise of faux privatization, for profit prisons, destroying social security or making sure people cannot access health care, the right to choose, flat taxes, the further destruction of social services or the denial of climate change by way of twisted studies funded by the Koch brothers.
Now, if the Tea Party somehow figures out the above then,I, personally, would be more than happy to hear what they have to say. Until that time, they can have a big bowl of shut it stew.
The marxist are the reason this will never happen. They can't put aside spreading a failed ideology by all means possible. They'll cut off their noses to spite their face even if it means ending Washington and wall st corruption.
Marxism is theology without God. Marx realized the common hope of man, is finally heaven, or in his concept, a perfect world. But, Marx thought...why wait until you die to go to heaven. Marx believed heaven could be brought down to earth. Man could claim the righteous crown of the divine and become an Uberman. Rightly so, with the right political, environmental, occupation, societal influences - the natural evolutionary process would optimize and create the superman.
But as you pointed out, it failed somehow. Where did Marx go wrong?
The RBE would determine what you need, and what you shan't want. The new commandments of Marxism will again rise. And again, it will fail.
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Surely, we do not live in a perfect world. Not, in our life time anyways...
But, alas, Vote for your President 2012 and we will destroy the "status quo"
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I don't think a bunch of gun toting tea baggers would be a real help.
Erhm I dunno, the clashes with the riot cops would take a different tone.
100% American. All I need to know.. 100% Or leave...
Clueless
When you say join up, you really mean the OWS take up the Tea Party slogans and be absorbed into the tea party, right?
Would you be open for the reverse? How about the Tea Party change their name to OWS, and come out on the streets and join in with the rest of the 99%, and start saying there is no tea party, there are only the people of earth, the 99%, what do you say about that?
sure. no one has to change their ideas and beliefs but we can temporarily form an alliance and work towards our common goals.
No absorption. Think Justice League, Superman joining up with Batman. My point is, we have a common cause let's work together for it.
It's been said that OWS is not opposed to Teapartiers joining in this movement. In fact, I think there are some Teapartiers on this site. But the thing is, to totally join together would probably mean OWS would start being considered 'Teaparty,' at least in the media. Just my opinion, I may be wrong. There's no reason someone couldn't be a Teapartier and an OWS'er.
so your answer to my question then is NO. Ok, thanks for answering.
The Tea Party never was a ground-up, grassroots, movement. It was created and funded by the very powers Occupy is opposed to. Under such circumstances the only way the Tea Party can have a hand in OWS is to renounce the Tea Party and join OWS. So sad, so sad! You people just need to understand that you haven't correctly determined who your real opponents are. Some of this is a result of simple ignorance, and some of it is a conscious attempt to obstruct/coopt the Occupy movement. Either way, nothing could be clearer than that there can be no link-up. I find that the saddest thing about our current circumstances, I really do.
what is sad is your one-sided partisan and polarizing view, your prejudice against fiscal conservatives and your ineffective strategy for a movement. Instead of contributing to the cause of the political establishment and furthering the division into left and right halves, thus dividing and conquoring the country, you should take a look at the similarities we have. However, you can't see the forest for the trees and choose to focus on the differences. Good luck.
Why the snide comment about "who's funding you?" That's an allogation, not some attempt at finding common ground.
you came looking for a fight. when someone suggested unity, you attack.
No wonder you're not #1.
I guess you're conceding defeat then. haha just kidding.
I don't care about cock bros but the tea party was about not bankrupting the country, which i'm sure you agree with.
LOL oh please. Where is your funding coming from?
From Wall Street, where else!
You're right but don't say the name of that libertarian guy around here. It's blasphemy.
No endorsement, so hopefully I'll be alright.
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Well OWS tried to over run the a Tea Party cinvention in D.C. so that shit aint happening
I have heard many OWS say they want this badly. I think more and more are leaning that way. The idea is spreading.
I don't think so, nice tactic, make it appear as though it is already happening - but it's not, fat chance the OWS will NOT get co'opted by the tea P
http://www.politicususa.com/en/tea-party-occupy-wall-street
right, another GOP blog site using the same tactic, I just called you on this, give it up already, you suck at this
Maybe I'll go make an account there and make another blog that says the opposite, then I'll post the link here - but I won't because people reading this already get the idea - anyone can make a blog.
Brother, that's a liberal publication. Be sure to read the comments. Liberals are starting to go to Tea Party rallies not to disrupt, but to see what it's all about.