Forum Post: Our Demands Must be Huge. . Part 2
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 4, 2011, 1:16 a.m. EST by Octangle
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4) We demand that the United States will stand for FAIR trade before it stands for free trade. This means that any country that has lesser environmental or labor standards than those created by our laws and regulations will pay tariffs in order to access our markets. This include companies that are supposedly American but choose to do the bulk of their business overseas and then come to us with their so-called "cheap" products. We are tired of the corporate propaganda that calls this "protectionism." If that means that we intend to protect our workers, our businesses, and our Earth, then so be it, We are Protectionists. Any foreign country that does not allow workers to freely organize and strike, any foreign country that pollutes with impunity, creates an unfair competition with our workers whose forefathers have literally fought and died for these rights. We refuse to have a hundred years of progress obliterated by the so-called "global economy." As has been said, this applies equally to any American company that takes advantage of these unfair, inhumane differences in global living standards. We also make clear that we hold no grudge against our working brothers and sisters in Mexico and China and around the world. We sincerely hope that through our struggle, their living standards will be improved as well, as opposed to their lives and health being consumed by the endless capitalist hunger for profits.
5) We demand a fair, progressive tax structure. That the repeal of the Bush tax cuts is supposedly controversial is laughable to us. We demand a return to the tax structures that were in place in the period between WWII and 1980, an historical time that saw the rise of the middle class in America, which is the source of all of its Peace and Prosperity, the very same middle class that has been in obvious, precipitous decline since the movement to unfairly lower the taxes on the wealthy. The money lost by our nation during the last three decades of tax cuts for the rich and powerful are now either to be paid by the middle class or poor, who can not afford them, or, as has been the case of late, to be foregone altogether. This has led to a class of people who feel no responsibility to their country whatsoever -- calling themselves "job-creators," they ship our jobs overseas, calling themselves "hard working Americans," they live on inheritances, tax cuts, tax shelters, and the labor of unfairly compensated workers, American and otherwise, calling themselves "democrats" and "republicans," they live in a world completely divorced from responsibility for their privileged place in our society, from the responsibility and sacrifice that is required for true Democracy and true Republicanism. In the meantime our children are not educated, our bridges fall to the ground, and our old people sit in rooms without heat.
6) We demand an end to the American Empire. We do not believe that controlling other human beings through military force is possible or desirable. We do not believe that wars for the control of resources, or “vital American interests” is anything but criminal theft and murder. We reject dressing these terrible deeds in the clothes of freedom and democracy. Freedom and Democracy are never imposed from without by military force, they are incubated from within, as was the case in Tahrir Square. We need the innocence that comes from not spilling foreign blood. We need the money wasted on this destruction for constructive good in this world. We, unlike the so-called capitalist “freedom fighters,” believe in the free market. If oil, or anything else, becomes very expensive because of these peaceful policies, we believe the free market of American ingenuity will find unheard-of, peaceful ways to make up the difference, and much more.
"6) We demand an end to the American Empire. We do not believe that controlling other human beings through military force is possible or desirable."
Sounds Like an oxymoron. Unless the message is not going out to the government... now that i think of it, who is the message going out to aside from this forum? And if America is going to find new ways to avoid prices like oil, would that not involve using our own oil in Alaska? I figured that was not something that was wanted... or inventing new ways to convert energy to useable power such as affordable fully electric cars... and who would pay for that? ijs...
and it wouldn't hurt to share your unheard of peaceful ways to make up for not paying expensive prices, i want to use them on my bills and on grocery day.
Try not to take it personal and miss the valid points. I'd make more of them but... well, i have work to do. If there is a halfway decent reply to this i'll make some more.
btw while your out there I'm busting my ass working at least 18 hours every day to pay for people on unemployment... your welcome.
and before you vote this down give me a logical response why you will do so otherwise i will be under the assumption that there is none, and thus you just don't like that there are more holes in this than the plot of Pirates of the Caribbean 3.
The market makes this all very simple doesn't it? Once it was said that there was no oil worth drilling for in the US. Now there is a huge oil boom in North Dakota. Why? The price of oil has gone up, and will continue to, and technology always improves. Obviously, I would like to see a more green alternative than fracking to create energy in America, but the point is the same: Anytime you allow the market to make things as expensive as they really are, capitalist forces will find ways to make them cheaper, or will find ways of doing things that were once not possible, or most positively, will find COMPLETELY NEW WAYS OF DOING THINGS. If we were to stop making oil unnaturally cheap, or stop making the dumping of waste unnaturally cheap, or spewing CO2 into the air unnaturally cheap, that is to say, cheaper than it actually is for human and other life on this planet, then the "extra" cost of that would spawn many ingenious entrepreneurs to find ways to replace that which was missing, as they always have. Solar, wind, fuel cells, who knows? All I know is that the American way will always survive, through brilliant inventions as yet unimaginable. The only people who would suffer are the large, embedded corporations who do things the old way, and only get away with it because of the gargantuous federal subsidies that they are paid every day with their stolen cash. In the form of subsidies, or military force and occupation, or laws and regulations that prevent anything new, for fear of threatening the "job creators" who pay their congressional slaves so well. This is what I mean when I say, "We, unlike the so-called capitalist “freedom fighters,” believe in the free market. If oil, or anything else, becomes very expensive because of these peaceful policies, we believe the free market of American ingenuity will find unheard-of, peaceful ways to make up the difference, and much more." AND think of all the jobs that are created by new industries and inventions...
...you touched on a side bar of one point i made, not the point itself. not arguing anything your talking about here.
nice use of the word frack though.
if you have time please hit on the points listed above
Good luck with that. Seems that the OWS has unfortunately taken a turn towards fantasy. Out here on Main Street, they just want America back and I guarantee you that your "huge" demands aren't the America they want. I should add that your "huge" demands are not without merit but if OWS doesn't keep the message simple, it will not survive.
...but are they the America that we want... They are the America that I want.
The tea party is yelling and screaming about an America that I don't think many Americans want at all, and look at the "success" that they've had.
At least a liberal agenda like the one I've described would better the planet. If you can get as far as the tea party has with an agenda based on myth and destruction, why couldn't we get further with an agenda based on history, intelligence, and good intention?
As I said, in Tahrir Sqare they ended a regime. If you told me the day before the Berlin Wall fell down that it would, I would not have believed you.
Are you at all aware of what is happening in Egypt? Sorry to dispel your fantasy but the regime was and still is the military. All they did was get rid of a titular head, but not the power. And btw, I think the Berlin Wall fell for many of the sames reasons that you now advocate we should follow. Sorry, but this is a total fantasy. There is no Land of Oz. (with that said, I do believe we need to bring the Oligarchy down.)
Well written and I agree on most parts.