Forum Post: Once Apon A Time There Was A Group Of People Begging For Handouts Because They Were Too Incompetent To Make Money Themselves...
Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 23, 2012, 8:48 p.m. EST by YouDontRepresentThe99Percent
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In retaliation they held large outdoor slumber parties, refused to take showers, and licked the boots of the leaders of the fad they called a "movement". They willingly brainwashed themselves with the propaganda and conspiracies that they force fed down their own throats. They preached the art of begging, the practice in which you cry and whine for someone else to pay your bills because you simply don't want to. If you don't belive in the art of begging you are labled the "1%" and deemed a danger to society. In groups, they also questioned the world around them. One of their more infamous philosophers 'ZenDog' questioned the following; "I have an art degree, why don't I make CEO pay?." Only to find out that having an art degree makes you little money. In anger he began preaching his hate for CEO's. But if he had common sense, he would have never took a loan for such a useless degree and put himself thousands of dollars in debt. But, instead of getting his finances in order, he blamed others had rallied together his fellow art degree bearing drones.
That group was Occupy Wall Street.
To be continued...
Art, architecture, history, linguistics, philosophy, sociology, the classics, literature. These are the things that build civilizations.
Unbridled greed causes civilizations to perish.
How do you write like a conservative sycophant? Easy, imagine a 3rd grader, then take away the sense of humor, and capacity for reason.
i love the jack nicholson quote:):)
Projection, much?
Hmmm, so third grade. I don't mean the attempt, I mean ability... Might you consider rewriting your comment as "project much"?
"Once Apon A Time There Was A Group Of People Begging For Handouts Because They Were Too Incompetent To Make Money Themselves..."
Yup. The banks and Wall Street are pretty pathetic asking for all those handouts because they were too incompetent to make it on their own. .
So you think bankers have the rightful justification to not actually pay the workers their deserved salaries? Think a bit. Profit can't be created, they get rich by robbing their employees. Here's the Wikipedia link ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_value ) but i know you won't read it, after all, your narrow mind believes every lie you have been told about socialism.
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man, you are off your rocker. take off your tin foil hat, the aliens gave up on you a long time ago.
Damn corporations, holding them slumber parties in Park. The OWS movement should go kick their ass.
Of course the Corporations are not people, they cannot vote, hold office, be elected, act as an elector or have children. The founding fathers warned the people against banks and corporation having to much power.
As somebody educated, I have to disagree with the OP, the individual does not know his/her history and demands that I repeat his/her lesson with him/her. You are a waste of time and it is my time you are wasting. Go learn your history and then come back and have an intelligent conversation.
Thomas Jefferson - "I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
Thomas Jefferson - "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson - "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies."
Thomas Jefferson - "I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
Thomas Jefferson - "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson - "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies."
John Adams - "Banks have done more injury to the religion, morality, tranquility, prosperity, and even wealth of the nation than they can have done or will ever do good."
James Madison - "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it’s issuance."
http://www.nycga.net/groups/constitution/docs/constitutional-amendment-to-define-the-status-of-created-entities
Resolved by the CITIZENS of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and presented to the House of Representatives and the Senate of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of two-thirds of the several States within twelve [12] months after the date of its submission for ratification:
“ARTICLE—
“SECTION 1. We the people who ordain and establish the rights protected by the Constitution of the United States to be the rights of natural persons.
“SECTION 2. The words people, person, or citizen as used in this Constitution mean “natural persons” and do not include corporations, limited liability companies and other private entities established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state.
“SECTION 3. Such entities not identified as a “natural persons” in SECTION 2. of this Amendment, shall be prohibited from making contributions or expenditures to, for or against, any candidate for public office or to, for or against, publicly elected official or to, for or against, any legislation before the Congress, the Senate or the people.
“SECTION 4. Nothing contained herein shall be construed to limit the people’s rights of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, free exercise of religion, freedom of association and all such other rights of the people, which rights are inalienable.”.
Educate yourself and those around you that demonstrate a desire to learn. That that have no desire or thirst for knowledge are but a blight on our society and an absolute waste of your time.
Once upon a time there was a group of bankers begging for handouts because they were too incompetent to make and manage money themselves.
The problem of course was, it wasn't their money they mismanaged and lost. It was other people's money and so the rest of us had to bail them out, Their immediate response was discontinue to loan money to those that they had just harmed. This resulted in many of those people and their families losing their houses. This resulted in many people losing their jobs. This resulted in many of those people and their families losing their homes.
This is called "cyclical events". One event influences the other event which in turn influences the previous event.
This leads to unemployment, a drag on the economy, which by the way was at 3.8% when G'Dub took office and was at 7.2% when G'Dub left office.
Nation Debt was raised by 4.9Trillion as well.
I wonder how this impacted our economy....
I know, I am confusing those with lesser intellect with facts and number.
maybe you need some specific examples, this july i had 1000 saved up and the government (dmv) safety and emission inspection certification sticker agency said, I couldnt go to work cause my check engine light was on and I had a small crack in my front window due to a little pebble hitting it some months back. A thousand dollars later, and two days of lost wages later, I got a sticker to drive to work. And you say I am the one incompetent? At least I can provide specifics, and written proof!
and yet the numbers speak for themself. The majority are poor or struggling, even the middle class. while a minority are "competetent"
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Art would not be a useless subject if we had a productive society. All kinds of art and design are required when a country does a lot of manufacturing as well as infrastructure development. Somebody has to design products and draw plans.
And if we had a productive society, unemployed artists could at least get into fair paying labor type jobs and progress upwardly in skill and pay levels, if they so desired. Wall Street, however, destroyed the productivity of our society. What we want is to get it back, some of us just don't realize that yet.
What?
We used to have a lot of industry and development going on here. Both these activities required artwork and design, providing jobs for artists. Then the industry was shipped off to China, and the brakes were put on economic development, so we lost those artistic jobs.
In a productive society, it was also much easier for starving artists, or other unemployed, to get fair paying jobs in labor that at least had opportunity for advancement to higher skill levels.
Are you talking about painting artists or architects?
I'm talking about commercial artists who work in product design.
I also mean artists who do sketches for developments, these days its mostly real estate, but in the old days, I imagine somebody had to sketch how a dam or some other civil construction would look.
I thought that was all left up to the architects.
My understanding is that architects draw plans or blue prints mostly. I used to be a graphic artist and observed how some were hired to draw sketches of what some property development would look like.
So artists would be used to sketch out what is basically a prototype?
Architects and structural engineers do that kind of work. Very different from the basic art school grad. There is work for engineers these days.. the architects are struggling due to lack of building.
Yeah that's what I thought. This guy is not making any sense at all. Thank you for clearing that up.
The phrase " starving artist" really puts it all into persepective. For every good artist out there.. there are 100 who are better. That goes for all the arts.. visual and performing. This hasn't changed over the years, and it has zip to do with Wall street, greed, corruption in the gov't and so forth. Offhand I can't think of any visual artist who made any real money while they were alive. Sad but true.
Yes I agree and none of what I see anymore that people call art can really be described as art. One thing I saw was a bunch of army men melted in a bowl and that was called art. But I would like to call BS.
Art is all so relative. I watched a show on Bravo a few times called " Work of Art" and felt like you do with some of the art work out there. Some of the stuff people do just wasn't my cup of tea at all.. but hey that's just my opinion. For me, art has to call to me.. or move me in some way or make me think, as well as the visual attraction. I think creativity is great, and if you can make some money, more power to you, but I also know a back up reality plan is necessary.
Yes, that's right, to show potential customers or investors. Or to show the people who build it what it is supposed to look like.
I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense.
Are you telling me about yourself and your name, or about what I wrote?
Figure it out, leftist scum....
Why not try discussing the issues, if you are able to.
And by the way, I'm a conservative democrat. We believe in the principles of the founding fathers and other key figures in American history. What I have been writing is pure Americanism.
So you believe in Slavery and oppression like the Founding Fathers. 15 presidents of the United States owned Slaves, 8 while they were president of the United States and Madison had his slave in the white house.
You should really learn your history before you compare yourself to somebody. Most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights were slave owners. Why do you think the Constitution is so screwed up?
It was written in such a way that the drafters' livelihoods would not be impacted by the document.
Those people were to an extent products of their times. While not perfect they did make important advances.
I am sorry but I don't excuse behavior I know to be wrong no matter who does it. They were mostly self-serving slave owners with a few like Franklin thrown in.
The drafters of the Constitution created this problem for us by using vague language to protect their own interest. We have the choice of doing the same thing they did or learn from their mistakes and fix this problem.
I'm not excusing their behavior, but I think they developed a better system than there was anywhere else at the time. Of course it had problems though and of course we should fix the problems.
The first step to fixing anything is finding what is broken, the next is to figure how it is broken and the third step is to find why it is broken or what led up to the thing being broken. Then we have to figure out what needs to be done to fix what is broken.
We all know our country is broken, we all know it is because of the interference/influence of created entities and we all know it is because the courts ruled corporations had free speech and other rights reserved for the individual.
Now we must decide what needs to be done to fix this and how to go about doing the fixing.
Recognizing the past for what it is and what it could be, a learning experience, is a great start. My fix is to fix the Constitution through a few amendments, the first removing corporations from being able to influence our political processes. The second thing I see to do is then draft legislation and remove by the ballot box or judicial process when appropriate, those legislators that fail our country and the judges that fail our country.
The thing is, if we remove the outside influence of created entities we will be able to get a lot more done in a shorter amount of time and not have a big mess to clean up after this is doen.
I think your recommendations sound reasonable, but have additional recommendations for fixing the economy, such as passing Glass Steagall as the first priority.
Regarding the founders, do you think we would have been better off without them?
The Glass-Steagall Act is second to taking the power back from the corporations because after we are in control we can roll back and repeal what we want without having to fight the banks, corporations and other outside money.
I think if the founding fathers had been true patriots and placed the good of the people and country above their own greed and interest we would be better off.
Here is something that might twist you mind a little.
Who was that was required to win the first two world wars? Would the world be free if the United States did not exist in the form that it did at that time. Would the world be free if the Europeans did not take this country and kill the Native Americans?
We can all look back at history and wring our hands. The thing is, history is why we are where we are today. Making note of the folly and atrocities in history as well as the great things that have been done is just that. Making note so we remember and try not to make those mistakes over and over again.
You can take what I say as a condemnation of the Founding Fathers and you would right. But it is not to say that I wish that they did not help to create the country.
History, reality and facts are simply what they are and nothing more.
Glass Steagall would bankrupt many of those banks that are causing the problems.
Is there a bill or something for your other recommendations?
This amendment would remove all power and influence from created entities and return it to the people:
http://www.nycga.net/groups/constitution/docs/constitutional-amendment-to-define-the-status-of-created-entities
Weather you believe in those principles or not makes no difference. You elected the piece of shit that is Obama. Quit babbling about art.
I didn't want Obama, I wasn't even in the country at the time. I would have preferred Hilary anyway. But its not a matter of democrats vs. republicans, both are close to equally corrupt. Did you help elect "Dub"?
If American principles make no difference to you, than your not much of an American.
why should it make sense to a lardhead?
Does it make sense to you?
Yes , But I do not have the wisdom of a scum bag lardhead.
You can't blame others for your desicion. Why don't you go buy some more art to help instead of blaming Wall Street?
There are more artists in the 1% than accountants or scientists.
But they weren't the ones who caused the financial collapse and put tens of millions of people out of work, and pushed millions into foreclosure. Wall Street did. They deserve the blame.
By artists, I guess your are meaning actors, directors, writers; Hollywood types who are rich and famous. Unfortunately, I would say that those people did play a role in creating a culture that allowed the abuses of Wall Street. They are part of the propaganda system and are intimately connected to high finance.
I mean those people who got degrees in art or art history. I don't have a breakdown of which fields of study, unfortunately.
I just find it hysterical that so many right wingers blame being an art major for poverty, when it is the Bankers who created it.
My grandfather started out as a painter and sculptor in Germany. When he came to the US, he began remodeling churches, and eventually got into construction. Eventually, he developed a business worth a couple million dollars.
The art industry is very robust. There is a lot of money to be made from art.
Are you talking about commercial art or fine art? I used to be in commercial art and know that it has been hurting for quite a while. Here in LA, the Dot.com era was the high times. When it crashed, a lot of graphic artists lost jobs.
Fine art. Lots of money there.
Well, that depends. MOST fine artists would be paupers if they lived on that alone. The few we hear about are a tiny percentage.
That goes for actors, too. The average yearly income for an actor is about $800.00 per year. There aren't that many Angelina Jolie's.
Still, despite that, there are more of them in the top 1% than accountants. The reason isn't that they are making a fortune from art, but that an art degree prepared them better for working at extremely high paying jobs than accounting majors and the like. Why? Because they were taught how to think flexibly, outside of rigid dogma. It makes them very valuable to industry.
True, but there is big, big money in the fine art industry. It is big business. I'm just saying this because these right wingers want to put down the arts. Not to worry, the capitalists have taken over art, too.
Too true. The ones who make the real money within the arts tend to be the dealers, parasites sucking the blood out of those who actually make the art.
For fun, or a headache, check out the Christie's auction results page:
http://www.christies.com/results/index.aspx?month=11&year=2011&initialpageload=false
Thanks, but nah.
It would just make me sick.
The things I have seen gallery owners (and auction houses) do to people, literally stealing form them, blackmailing them, purposefully destroying livelihoods, would make your head spin. The corruption makes Hollywood in the 30's look tame, including forced casting couches.
Exactly. A bunch of thugs run the art world.
Yes. I was just thinking to myself that it is really an extension of the investment industry now. How sad is that? A person can actually "invest" in a portion of a painting or sculpture without ever taking possession of it, art objects can used for estate planning or collateral for a loan, etc.
I remember a number of years ago a piece of legislation that passed in California. After many years of lobbying, the legislature finally granted painters and sculptors intellectual property rights for their work. It prohibited collectors to paint over paintings, purposefully deface sculptures, etc. It also mandated that for all art sold for a profit of over $1000.00, 5% of the profit had to be paid in royalties to the artists who made the painting, etc.
The California Art Dealers Association then announced it would boycott, in perpetuity, the purchase or sale of any living artist's work as long as the 5% rule remained in effect.
The legislation was withdrawn later that year. ensuring the enslavement of artists throughout the state. All over 5%.
Wow. I never heard that one. Unbridled greed.
Yup. And organized, in-your-face, public greed as well. Of course the dealers had the full support of the Repelicans, who ponderously declared that the 5% royalty would hurt business and artists, and that they were opposed to the law initially to protect artists from depressed sales!
I imagine there are still some starving artists though.
Yes, but the art industry is very lucrative. It is a joke that these conservatives put down the arts. Bankers love to buy art and feel all cultured. I'm just saying.
I see what you mean.
Sure, plenty. (I'm one of them). That's why most of them make livings doing something else.
But they are not starving because they got art degrees, as these right wing morons would have you believe. People with art degrees tend to be good problems identifiers and solvers. They tend to find solutions that others don't see, based on their training, not about how to draw, but how to think and perceive.
Many companies find people with that training to be indispensable.
Art is an important part of "classical education" like Germany had when it first became an industrial powerhouse. A good education should include some artistic training to help people become more creative.
I couldn't agree more! :)
just bought a painting today and still blame wallstreet. wake up trolls!!!
You can blame them for their greedy decisions though, such as dismantling our industry and shipping it to China.
I think that our country readopting productive policies would help more then just me buying some art.
Once upon a time, I graduated from art school with a degree in jewelry design,( and no loan) with grand thoughts of a dream job. While pounding the pavement with my portfolio under my arm, the light bulb went off and I realized I was one of a million other art school graduates who couldn't find work in our chosen field. So what did most of us out of work artists do? We got jobs in other fields that actually paid our living expenses. Kind of like wanting to be an actor, and waiting tables on the side . 33 yrs later, I don't regret my art education, but it certainly wasn't going to pay my bills or living expenses. Moral of the story.. always have a backup plan and create your art for pleasure. Everyone on these forums is responsibile for themselves, despite what the government and wall street has done. Makes no sense to do nothing to provide for oneself and expect others to carry you, or me.
OWS relies on OPM (Other People's Money). It looks like the well is running dry.
Corporations rely on other people's money, and use it to pay for laws to get them subsidies, tax breaks, and the ability to defraud the country with impunity, that the other people have to pay for.
Cost very little to march. Not the tea party you know.No paid protestors except for the cops.
Oh this will go over well.
The forum poster's head is jammed so far up his (x) as to be unable to see past his own rectum and this reactionary, juvenile and ill thought-out post speaks volumes of the poster whilst only appealing to the similarly afflicted and intellectually compromised. Yet, interestingly and somewhat disappointingly, this utterly BullSH!T forum-post acts both as a troll magnet and 'going nowhere fast' discourse and debate about 'art', 'The Arts' and "The Art versus The Sciences''.
WTF do we think OWS is about ?!!! What is its 'mnop' : motivation ; nature ; origin & purpose ?!! Does our memory go back as far as 2008 ?!
So, for a 'memory jogger' re. The 2008 'Financial Grand Heist', please watch these documentary films :
i) "The Warning" ; http://video.pbs.org/video/1302794657/ &
ii) "Inside Job" ; http://documentarystorm.com/inside-job/ .
"Inside Job" provides a comprehensive analysis of the global financial crisis of 2008, which at a cost over $20 trillion, caused millions of people to lose their jobs and homes in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and nearly resulted in a global financial collapse, whereas "The Warning" is an important insight into the complete predictability and preventability of those events.
Finally, please also read the article "The War Against the Poor : Occupy Wall Street and the Politics of Financial Morality" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29649.htm .
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