Forum Post: "Official" Unofficial Official Demands for the Movement

[-] 1 points by powertothepeople (1264) 13 years ago

The first two sound more like the trading floor. You might be in the wrong spot. : )

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[-] 1 points by banthemall (2) 13 years ago

yes, ibelieveeverything is definitely in the wrong spot

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[-] 1 points by RESTOREtheREPUBLIC (5) from Hillsboro, OH 13 years ago

FINALLY THE RIGHT MESSAGE & demands at OWS! Incredible Speech By Wall Street Protester "End The Fed" 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFz1VVXsWRU Rumor has it that TPTB started & promoted this protest....BUT THOSE who KNOW what America once was & IS INTENDED TO BE by Our Founders WILL END ANY CONTROLLED OPPOSITION!! KILL THE CORPORATEOCRACY ! Before it kills us! RESTORE THE "ORGANIC" US CONSTITUTION! Restore the Republic and FINALLY PUT AN END TO "CENTRAL" BANKS IN AMERICA! US & WORLD PROSPERITY WILL FOLLOW! Check History! EVERY nation which printed its OWN DEBT FREE MONEY! FLOURISHES!

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?

you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.

Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.

o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.

once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.

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[-] 1 points by rainman (10) 13 years ago

Interesting points, but I need to point out that America was not conceived as a Democracy, that's history revision, and MSM brainwashing. We were conceived as a Republic. Big difference, in that the Republic puts Individual Rights first. Here is one of my fav quotes from Ben Franklin, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote... -Benjamin Franklin- With that, let me repeat my points, since you seem to be one of the more rational and learned posters, I hope you will take them to heart and dwell on them. What we need above all else. 1)Election reform, such as 1 vote=$1 2)Major Lobby Reform, end bribery. If we can get representatives in Washington who truly represent the people, that's half the battle. The other half will resolve itself.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

yes, it was conceived of as a republic. Democracy is the only meaningful escape from oligarchy. Its either everyone together or some people over other people. I agree, we do need election reform and lobby reform.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

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