Forum Post: Offical demand list # 13 - Prosecutions of the Guilty - Let's Discuss
Posted 13 years ago on Sept. 27, 2011, 9:10 p.m. EST by npowell85
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from Montana City, Mt
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Here is the body of the demand:
We want indictments and prosecutions of all crimes committed by banks, brokerage firms and insurance companies. We want a clear message sent to the entire financial industry, this will no longer be tolerated. All financial industry executives who had even the remotest of connection to the collapse of our system, must be prosecuted.
Those who are or have been involved in torture, whithersoever dispersed around the globe, weather personally or directing it's use, must be prosecuted for their crimes.
Please respond with your critique of this demand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71-KsDArFM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71-KsDArFM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71-KsDArFM
"Those who are or have been involved in torture, whithersoever dispersed around the globe, weather personally or directing it's use, must be prosecuted for their crimes." That's in the constitution...
yes, and it is definately important that those people are brought to justice. But is that how you want to frame the OWS movement? you will be attacking political leaders that are viewed by many potential supporters still in a positive light, and that could cause people that would have otherwise joined with us to go the other way, or remain silent.
i agree, this needs to happen.
I think this is too broad and general. Ask for demands that can be measured. Which banks? Which executives? Which specific crimes did they commit? State the specifics and demand specific results.
And leave out the torture stuff. As horrible as torture is, that's way off topic.
agreed. we need to name names and then specific crimes per name and link that to proofs and actions taken by those people .Just like as if we were preparing legal briefs against these people. We need to make 1001 citizens arrests. So lets see the actual court papers we would need to see if our system wasn't broken in order to get that done the right way assuming that right way existed in theory.
i think it is definately important that the people resonsible pay for their transgressions but I think the priority for this movement has to be campaign finance reform and the end of corporate personhood and lobbying. It is going to be exceedingly difficult to get any meaningful prosecutions unless the political environment is changed first. any thoughts?
your priorities are right on, but i think we need to take a very big picture approach and take on EVERYTHING all at once, in a very detailed political platform. Some of those things may not be feasible in the immediate future and some may have to wait years or even decades... but over all how we make change happen fast is by playing a very good game of whack a mole over ALL the issues.
I will have to disagree with you here gawdoftruth; I think a focused, laser beam type approach stands a much better chance of succeeding. I guess I will have to study some more history of movements like this, though I don't know that there are many examples to research.
right. heres the rub. fine.
go study every successful social movement in the USA. It should take you a few minutes to get back to me.
The Civil Rights movement? backtracked with bush all the way to where now they can treat us ALL the same way they used to only be able to treat blacks. the womens movement?
right, shes working a 9 to 5 and a night job just so the two of them can make the mortgage. Systemically, and in game theory, and for every other reason,
your lazer beam is essential but the rest of the details missing will only allow them to fake and route around our core issue.
We have to be strong, not just in one place- but in each and every single detail.
Its not that I think there aren't other problems that need to be solved, only that, for a first step, we should fight to again have a democracy of/by/for the people (really of the people, not our rich representatives). Then from that point, effect the changes we seek. Only because, it is much easier for the average american to get on board with the idea of a true democracy then the idea of sweeping social change. and nothing can be done without support of the masses
thats an enormously complicated problem with a thousand facets in and of itself. Again, i agree with the idea of a dynamic focus and on the point that the focus should be the seagal act etc.
I'm simply telling you as a strategist that if you are weak anywhere the enemy will fight you at your weak point, obviously.
yeah I agree. You can vote on these demands here:
http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009
Thanks for the link.
In my opinion, if we are successful in undoing corporate personhood and stopping corrupt political finance, the people can make this demand happen after we retake our government.
yeah, but you won't gather enough momentum and inertia from enough people with demands that are too simple.