Forum Post: Occupy This Forum!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 8, 2011, 7:47 p.m. EST by sm707
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from Englewood, NJ
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They are openly defaming RonPaul on the basis of election spamming. They do not want RonPaul discussed here but also state the same applies for every other politician. However NO other politician mentioned here is censored by those running the site. Only him. Considering the OWS movement is related to political cronyism, big banks, bailouts and lobbyists. It seems ironic (or sinister) that the only presidential candidate that has spent 30+ years trying to bring these issues to the public's attention is basically blacklisted. Obviously, there is another agenda.
RonPaul? Might as well put Alan Greenspan in charge of the fed again. Look how good that turned out.
Makes no sense. Period.
You are obviously another shill.
i like Ron Lawl a little i guess. he's got something shady about him tho, like he's smarter than he's lettin on. like, he's givin you just enough of it to make you like him, but not enough of it to make you hate him.
so, yes, there are definite correlations between Ron Lawl and the Prince of Darkness. but i can make this argument effectively about any human, living or dead. hell, talk to me for five minutes i'll have you convinced jesus christ is an instrument of the devil, or perhaps the main devil Himself.
try me. it has to be in person tho. i can be very charismatic, but not with the written word. i must look into your eyes.
take that for what its worth to you, bitch
that rabble was worth nothing, scumbag
it was worth an insulting word from you, for which i thank you
fuck. he's smarter than he seems.
perhaps he is scared of a better troll than himself. which isnt too fuckin hard i guess but still...
destruction is easier than creation
See How Ron Lawl and his Libertarian supporters are taking over America!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCHAv25uTw
They are democracy the Hitler way.
The fed and wall street own america and RP wants to fight that. Does that video have anything to do with RP or just the tea party?
STFU shill.
RP supporters want to turn the OW into a movement centered on two things: electing their candidate and ending the Fed. Never gonna happen. No other candidate's supporters are trying so hard to leech off this movement (or did I miss something ?)
controlling the money is a valid cause
PS the only reason hes running as a republican is so that he can get airtime in the debates. AND why aren't the other candidates censored??
what other candidates?
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I think if any other candidate's supporters were making such a concerted effort to pervert OW they might be hindered in so doing as well. I hope so.
First of all: Who are you gonna vote for??
And are you against ending the Fed? Why??
Get out of your stupid left-right paradigm box and see the light: RonPaul is our best chance candidate wise to defeat the globalists. Period. If you don't think so, WHY?
I don't expect to vote. Not against ending the Fed at all. I like Kucinich's proposal. I like even more socialism.
I fear for people who live in public housing, need food stamps, are in school on Pell Grants, attend public schools, do necessary work for the government, need medicare, medicaid or social security if your man wins. Really it's pretty grim for those people under any circumstance I can imagine going forward in the short and medum term.
I don't like the current crop of globalists, however the world's problems cannot be solved within the borders of one country or one region. We need a different sort of globalism than we have and I don't have the answer or much hope for the immediate future unless OW or something that grows out of OW really takes off in a way i can hope for but hardly imagine.
I think OW might superficially resemble your "libertarianism" but it's in basic and fundamental conflict. Crony capitalism IS pure capitalism.
It's good to see such an honest man. Not too many people would admit to wanting more socialism. I personally think the proper mix of capitalism and socialism might be the best solution, but I'm hardly an expert on either ideology.
aloes if you are not against Fed, please watch these documentaries (if you haven't so far) and tell us your thoughts.
(1) "The Creature From Jekyll Island" by Edward Griffin [42:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhMacPvc5qc
(2) Edward Griffin - The Collectivist Conspiracy [1:25 hr] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdu0N1-tvU
(3) The Money Masters - Full [3 hr] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs
(4) Money As Debt [45 min] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544
(5) David Icke - Essential Knowledge For A Wall Street Protestor [33 min] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV9A2IGShuk
(1) and (2) are essential. They are shorter and carry most of the message. (3) is great source for our history and our Founding Fathers struggle with money changers. (4) Explains current banking scam. (5) Another #OWS supporter emphasizing Griffin's "collectivist" theory.
I learned so much from #OWS supporters. I'm not supporting any political party. I'm trying to make up my mind and I have ONE rule: Get rid of my biases and be open to learning. (I have more educational material if you ask me more.)
basta!
So you have no REAL solution?
I wish I did. I know there are people who are closer to solutions than I am. When I was younger I thought I knew everything. Now I watch for what other people say and do. This doesn't mean I have no opinions, just not all the answers or even most of them. I have a lot of hope in OW and other activists.
Well you've obviously NEVER had a serious look into RonPaul. Look at his 30+ year voting record. He NEVER voted for a war. He DOESN'T want to abolish all regulation, he has voted FOR some important regulation. Hes our best shot for an easy victory.
Offtopic: You should watch this film "Invisible Empire" by Jason Bermas.
Look I have a real problem with your approach. I don't appreciate being threatened. How do you threaten me and try to convince me at the same time? And is your way of dealing with differences RP's way?
What do you do for a living? You are some rich fuck trying to mislead us I'm sure. You idiots DO know you will not succeed in your NWO right? Do you really understand what you've gotten yourself into?
I work an ordinary job nightshift and make an ordinary living. I'm off Tuesdays and am reading and blogging today.
Bullshit. Liar. The only thing your reading today is the talking point memos send down from the top. Now give up you fucking P.O.S. cuz you people WILL be identified when WE succeed.
you are insane. leave me alone.
Fuck you POS. Your IP connected to your REAL name is logged in at least two different places. Your disruptive commenting will identify you as the enemy when the smoke clears. Good luck
Ps- what's a POS?
who are you and why do I make you so angry?
For the record, I think POS means 'piece of shit.' And sm707 sounds like he/she has some serious anger issues.
Well, sm707 wouldn't be the first person to think that of me. somehow that won't kill me but the talk of tracking me down is not nice.
True. A couple more points, in reference to the comments below (I put them up here so as not to get the same hate from sm707 as you are getting) NAU is North American Union, I think. And banksters didn't start OWS, that's just paranoia. I have a link that explains a lot about the guy that got it all going if you need it, a guy by the name of Dave Graeber.
Relax. Nobody is tracking you down.
I read about Graeber and I like what I read. Maybe OW is started by some nefarious plot, who am I to say I know for certain? I know that from what I see OW is positive and if it was started by banksters, maybe it's out of their control now. If I fall down a flight of stairs, sm707 did it.
Because you are obviously a shill, someone that is here to try and spread misinformation. If you are not, then you are just a communist-socialist zombie who will not listen. Indoctrinated.
How long have you been in this game? You sound and act EXACTLY like the SHILLS (aka sceptics) that used to try and say that the Federal Reserve is not a private corporation. And that the NAU wasn't being planned. etc...
AGAIN: We already live under socialism/fascism! We have a central bank. Corporations are not supposed to exist in Capitalism, in fact they used to be ILLEGAL. People are already taxed near or ABOVE 50%, just add up ALL the mandatory taxes and fees you'll see. Many more points that I already touched upon.
PS- so are you trying to convince me of something? I know the Fed is a private corporation. I don't defend the Fed. I don't even know what NAU is, let alone if it is being planned or not.
What misinformation have I spread? I do not support the Fed and I do not support candidate Paul. I have hope that OW is a positive thing. So for this you threaten to fix my wagon? Oh and what is NAU?
I'm talking about your comments about capitalism and you know it. Wake up man. They can take over any system they want as long as the people are apathetic. And the reason Socialism is scary is because Socialism just pre-consolidates everything for them beforehand.
Why don't you support RonPaul? Is it because you don't know enough about him? Is it because you are inherantly against Republicans? Is it because the other SHILLS at OWS told you so? Trust me, there are numerous "leaders" in the OWS movement that were put there by the banksters. They probably used the algorithms from google and facebook that knew people were gonna start protesting soon so they jump-started it to ensure they could have some sort of hand in it. They have unlimited wealth and will do whatever they can, especially now, this is the ENDGAME! Don't be blind to this!
the last 2-3 generations have never been able to experience REAL capitalism.
What we have here is more SOCIALISM ALREADY. The BANKS are given money, the AUTO companies are given money, the MEDIA (specifically msnbc) was given billions 'secretly' lumped into the bank bailout, and all the big CORPORATIONS are basically given money because the pay almost no taxes, and get subsidies!! We've been BLEEDING OUT since 1913, you all know what happened then.
"Socialism" is the most effective tool of the Globalists for hoodwinking people into throwing out thier f'ed up system for an EVEN WORSE ONE. Because once you get ahold of it YOU HAVE EVERYTHING.
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to sm707: I get no "reply" option to your last message on this board so here i go. I don't know what the NAU is. I'm a tired old man who has a day off from work and am indulging my liking for blogging and my positive interest in OW and here you come beseeching me to agree with you and threatening me at the same time. I don't doubt if you really want to track me down and if it's really so important to you you can do that. Are gangsteristic threats the way RP plans to rule? Do you really represent his thinking?
Jesus Christ then fucking respond to the points about capitalism/socialism already and you wont look like a fucking shill. You are wrong, you have been partially brainwashed, ADMIT IT
I think socialism is good. I especially admire the Chinese approach. I think capitalism has done its good deeds of spreading development and now it is imploding.
I admire RP as an honest man who has been consistent and who opposes "the empire" and supports "the republic". His economic ideas scare me. I have mixed feelings about democracy but I would support a real one, which we don't have.
I don't represent OW nor claim to do so. Now, are you still gonna track me down and settle my hash once the dust settles? (Or sooner?)
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They don't trust him because he talks about the free market as solving all our problems. I don't think that this country can have a completely free market in this country but we need to make it hard for banks to do unethical and risky things. Many people believe that we are in a free market we are not we are in a mixed market the government puts some restrictions on the market. However, I strongly agree that the Federal Reserve has to be abolished asap it completely socialized the risks to big bankers and rewards them with bailouts and no interest loans. The Federal Reserve is preventing this country from true capitalism and risk. So I guess I sorta support RonPaul however I wonder sometimes if he is naive about people's abilities.
In 1999, RonPaul opposed the GRAMM-LEACH-BLILEY ACT which repealed the Glass–Steagall Act. Glass-Steagall was a law that established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) in the United States and introduced banking reforms, some of which were designed to control speculation.
He is also credited in the congressional record as saying this about government regulations: "The better alternative is to repeal privacy busting government regulations."
While he is all for deregulating government, it's more on the individual scale. He is not for abolishing the important regulations that hold a society together.
I heard glass steal was repealed 30 years ago
those is number games
I'm not favoring any political party or a person, but I do join you thinking that banksters have their insider somewhere in #OWS movement. And I do applaud RonPaul standing tall against this global banking cartel. Because it requires great courage:
"Andrew Jackson (7th US President): ... The greatest party battle centered around the Second Bank of the United States, a private corporation but virtually a Government-sponsored monopoly. When Jackson appeared hostile toward it, the Bank threw its power against him. …" -- http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/andrewjackson
Andrew Jackson closed "The Second Bank of the United States" and shortly after he luckily survived an assassination attempt.
"I have two great enemies, the Southern army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one on my rear is my greatest foe." -- Abraham Lincoln, 16th US President
He stopped bankers' debt-money plans and instituted debt-free money system, but got assassinated shortly after.
1963: On June 4th, President John F. Kennedy signs Executive Order 11110 which returned to the US Government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110
But got assassinated shortly after (November 22).
"Money fights hard; it fights dirty" -- Howard Zinn.
Bankster worked so hard so many generations to build this system over so much bloodshed. And I truly believe that they will not go quietly.
If anyone has still doubts, watch video references at: http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-this-forum/#comment-318201 (in this post.)
Good at least there are people in here debating and putting the SHILLS in their place. Lets get these fuckers
Many identify with Ron Lawl more than ever. Some of that visibility, for better or worse, is attributed to Alex Jones. Ron Lawl has some great ideas.....the irony is that he is voided here due to "extreme" views and yet, extremism, in the form of more opulent ideology...say, the anarchists is evident everywhere in OWS. Just an observation.
What "extreme views"?????
Not my language. I like Ron. Do I think he is electable at this point in history, no? 10-15 years from now, perhaps...given an infinite number of geo-political senarios. Alex Jones is the albatros.
And what is wrong with Alex Jones? Can you tell me ONE lie from him?
Can you please outline where I mentioned or implied a lie?
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Then: What is wrong with Alex Jones?
How is it not your language if you just said it?? Of course hes electable if we could just wake up the rest of the Obamaite zombies
Did you not note my prescriptive quotes to denote other? And did you not further note the praise? I'm am right-middle with a strong dose of reality.......i hear you..........do you hear me?
It's because he is for (or against) many things that align with the majority of the supporters. As an alternative, he poses a threat to the movement.
What the fuck is this a contest?? We're trying to survive! We need to join with RonPaul for that reason! Name ONE thing you disagree with Paul on in context of OWS.
OWS was supposed to be leaderless, so how the hell does it have its own agenda now??
RP would likely enact the types of changes that are at the core of the movement. IF RP gains support, many OWS defectors might join the RP camp.
Jesus you're missing the point... If they have the same goals, then why not unite?!
This is OWS's movement. He can't steal the show.
This isn't a fucking game YOU IDIOT!
I must take glass steal seriously
the numbers are the numbers that say the greater owe the fewer
I'm messing with you. I support RP. BUT - could that line of thinking actually be taking place here??? I know what I think and if I'm right it's pretty freakin sad.
Don't play into their hand! Go forward with what you know and inform others dammit!
I will. You too.
Or rather BOYCOTT it. There are so many shills in this forum. Talkin crazy shit on purpose.
Is there an alternate OWS website?
Ron PauI is a threat to the true objectives of the campaign committee to re-elect Barack Obama(OWS)
Its does seem like thats what it is now that I've gotten into it. We need to get the occupiers to see the truth though..
Yep. Ron PauI is popular enough with Liberals to leave Bo-Bo with almost no votes at all.
Who the hell are all these Socialist/Communists?
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Well I don't know where your getting you numbers I've NEVER personally met one and I live in California and I voted for Obama (IDIOT! :P)