Forum Post: OCCUPY THE NEWS NETWORKS
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 8:33 p.m. EST by snurglersons
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Why do you think the media coverage has been, on the whole, terrible and unrepresentative of what's actually happening? Who do you think owns the networks? Come on guys. They want to craft this all as a bunch of lazy hipster kids or aging hippies with no jobs or responsibilities in the world protesting just to protest because they are mad at mommy and daddy or the rest of the world, and they are succeeding with flying colors at this.
OCCUPY THE NETWORKS!!! They hold the national bullhorn, and right now they are holding the bullhorn for Occupy Wall Street. They're telling everyone that there is no cause. They're handpicking interviews with inarticulate members of the movement to air and leaving anything intelligent on the cutting room floor.
OCCUPY THE NETWORKS...It will do FAR more for the cause, well, the networks ARE Wall Street.
OCCUPY THE NETWORKS
its as good and as bad an idea as the whole occupy thing and not as clever as getting 1000 people on a wiki and into a paradigm shift centered evolutionary direction.
sorry, i do know exactly what feudalism is. You trying to talk about its main features and then say that other features of feudalism are not the feudalism is silly. The dominant or single most relevant point is land ownership, certainly, but there are other features of feudalism, one of which is most certainly taxes, and to the point, by definition taxation as such begins in feudal systems. It is remarkably futile and silly to argue with me. It would be wiser to stop and take your opportunity to chat with the DJIN. capitalism is ALSO a system which has NEVER existed.
the core issues; 1. Corporate Personhood. 2. Caste Warfare; they started it. 3. Its legal to lie to the USA public. 4. They are OUR airwaves. They should be used for WETHEPEOPLE not leased by the government to corporations. Put Local colleges in charge of all the media. Arrest and seize all mass media devices and then give those devices straight out to the local colleges, including the land they sit on. We need education public media; not legalized lying and propaganda wars against the people. 5. Education reform. Everyones being kept stupid and ignorant on purpose in school and repugnicons want to argue about how to pay or punish teachers. We need child centered education reform, not a con scam to privatize education and thus score all our children for corporate zombotification. 6. Free market system. Not slave market system. Not caste market system. Not Caste warfare market system. Not rigged Casino. Not making something off of nothing and making bubbles to grease a gravy train either. Free market system. We must have one of those. Its time to have one of those. We have NEVER YET had one of those. 7. Realistic regulation of the government to regulate and control corporations so that what they do is fair and just and ethical and under control instead of a parade of unleashed godzillas turning the masses into to toe jam. 8. Real and direct representation, including no more lobbying, and including an evolutionary use of the internet with organized forums and wikis replacing the old style of congressional/ mayoral office.
"Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money"
nope. taxation period of any kind is merely and only a means to the end of creating a caste system. And even deeper, taxation dynamically entropizes a system, so its not only not necessary to regulate money, its the single largest entropic contributor to the system. The ONLY reason why we pay taxes is thats the feudal system; the idea that we pay anything remotely approaching the same thing or fair to what the rich pay is preposterous. The whole point of taxes is to distribute wealth from the poor to the rich. period.
gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
"the end goal product should be that every small community takes care of its own. Any federal system is a problem definition of something requiring more serious attention to solve. long term social programs managed by nation sized meta entities is a disaster not only socially and civilly but to the people who get third rate borg social services. A well functioning system does not need a welfare system, it only has a highly evolved net which catches people and only involves less than one percent of the population at any given time, not punishing but rehabing and educating folks. Until such time as that end goal is achieved, no hand outs is a paradox... you have to spend time and thus money in order to fix the problems till their fixed past needing time or money."
"Why aren't u in office???"
aspergers syndrome. you want to run,? i can ghost write your platform? :)
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"Understood we need more ideas then politicians anyway. The fixes are so simple but so difficult to get implemented."
↧ gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
i'm running for chief of staff. bit early to announce yet since i have no clue whos running on my ticket for president?
http://forums.keller2012.com/index.php i created this forum org structure. but scott keller turned out to be an idiot.
your still missing the point. your playing with math. your right. its something more like the 99.99 percent. There are 4000 or 100,000 persons depending on wether we are talking the inner or outer circle of oligarchs keeping the rest of us trapped in a "capitalism" Hotel California con scam. While you can climb upward from the bottom there are increasingly more powerful glass cielings. And on fact one of the effects of the recent bush era caste war changes is that the people who imagined themselves to be in the inside are amongst those that are losing it all. The real question is not how YOU define it. The real question is; as a system org structure, how does it operate? Thats 100 thousand peeps keeping 3 million peeps as cattle.
Only reason I heard about this is because arrests were mentioned. In the Civil Rights Movement only reason the movement was in front page is because the youth was involved and was receiving heavy physical blows from the police and being arrested.
The govt is ineffective in changing its established institutions. Who do we turn to? The masses.
I also heard on NPR, of all places, this movement being linked to Marxism.
Paraphrase: "Sure all protests start out small. That's how marxism started."
This group needs a focus and direction. They need a stated goal, not just "Stop being greedy."
That is why I propose this as an idea/focus: http://occupywallst.org/forum/28th-amendment-now/
An amendment won't solve the problems of inequality. I feel we spend so much time plucking out the leaves out the bad tree rather than pulling the tree out of it's bad roots. I feel Marxism has been expressed too many times as being something bad. He spoke a lot about the problems of capitalism that still ring true til this day. So why build up on already established institutions that perpetrate inequality?
Only human ego can solve the problems of inequality. It's not a perfect system, and I wonder if we'll ever get there but for now all we have are leaders and conscientious minded people.
I think the issues of fairness are not addressed by our current tax system. I think it's complex and convoluted for a reason; so no one person/entity has a complete handle/picture of the entire system. I have no idea if my neighbor is paying their fair share based on their means or do they know if I am. We only hope. And so we take what ever deductions we can get, working the system to our own advantage because if I don't someone else will. (Granted not all do this, but if you can save money on taxes don't most people do that? This fosters an atmosphere of "I'll get mine.") And when you look at the disconnect between what "people" pay and what corporations (particularly mega corporations) the fairness factor increases. Yet why is that? Those in power our leaders, make it so. They make it so because they benefit from it being that way. They need money to pay for time on television, time in front of an audience, time to run for office, and time costs money.
This reply could go on for pages but I hope my point is at least near the target of understanding.
I am not advocating Marxism or a dissolution of Capitalism.
I think checks and balances have been abandoned in the pursuit of capitalism which by its very nature is amoral. Its purpose is profit. What is done with that profit is defined by people. People who, in some circumstances, are all too often so far removed from the every day existence of their fellow citizens it all becomes a blur.. a numbers game.. the bottom line, until we have what we have now.
Hopefully better defined rules will not build up the established institutions but help work to bring them in check. It will be clarity (for taxes at least) and the understanding that what I am expected to do, everyone else is expected to do as well. No more games. No more angles or questions of fairness. Perhaps that thinking will carry over and begin to address other issues of inequality?