Forum Post: Occupy must have a leader or it's going nowhere
Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 30, 2012, 12:59 a.m. EST by corralled
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There is no organization
The anarchist elements are the only real "leaders" here.
leaderless movements are cowardly; if you're not willing to stand by your convictions then you have no convictions - leaders are are drawn from a consensus of those convictions and those willing to put themselves on the sword and stand by them
It's done to protect the movement from alien co-option, who as you know always ask.........."Take me to your leader."
It confuses the heck out of them when everybody points to everybody else and says, we are.
It also tends to confuse (R)epelican'ts, so it's a good thing.
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People need to realize that now, the OWS movement has somewhat stalled and if something doesn't happen (and without a leader, nothing will) then they, the first real movement with potential to achieve change for the better, are fucked.
I think it's absolutely brilliant that it's "leaderless". It's one of the great strengths of the movement.
If there's a single person to focus on, the media will do what they do so well, which is DESTROY the person. And in the process of doing that, they will make everyone's attention be drawn to the person rather than the movement.
Somebody in OWS knows what they are doing. Who are they? I honestly don't know.
But they're smart.
Kalle Lasn - Google He's Our "Dear Leader"
You can google "CANVAS Syria kalle-lasn" to learn how Kalle-Lasn has taken his 'rent-a-protest' to every 'Arab Spring' in the world. All orchestrated by the CIA. CANVAS was paid for by Soros, but both Soros and Lasn, are Hungarian, and seem to have a good liberal heart, but none-the-less, every dictator on earth will use this technology for wrong. Just look what they're doing with the BOT's here, that's why its important that we feed their BOT's shit and not train them.
Yep, them Fed's are real smart folk.
Enjoy the ride, be part of the 'revolution', but trust nobody, if you haven't known them your whole life and always know where they are from.
I agree the 'leaderless' this is important cuz Lasn & Soros have too much baggage,
I also agree that any real leader would be taken out by the 'system' and quick. Think JFK, MLK, Malcolm-X, ...
Real change can only come from action at every location simultaneously, anytime you have a leader at a fixed location the 'beast' will take them out, witness the demise of Gaddafi, Saddam, and everyone else that has stood in the way of USA aggression.
Thats the point. This way no one can blame themselves when nothing gets done.
What's the sense of all this. Who stands behind people when they get arrested. No one. They just film the po po taking the protestor away. What a joke. And on top of it all the CIA is probably recording every message
Do not worry about the CIA. They can record but do they really know who pose a REAL threat to the status quo? There is so much going on that the U.S. trying to record and analyze everything will only drain its treasury (not that it is not Atacama desert already) to NO avail. The U.S. suffers from a data glut and indigestion because the premise that one can "predict" based on recorded messages is patently false. I cannot even "predict" what dress a movie star will prefer to put on for the Oscars. If anything physics taught us that is important, it is that there IS indeterminacy in EVERYTHING simply because the world works that way. Pretending otherwise is simply a fool's endeavor.
Not much sense in an organization without a leader to give it sense.
it's always been this way, ...
In my entire protesting life I have never seen a fairy god mother take care of folk, ... unless of course the event is sponsored by a majority 'party'.
For instance if the OWS event is truly not status-quo, but OWS is status-quo, but lets say they're real anarchists, and there is a fund ( cash ) to bail folks out, the government would seize that fund or go after those who provide the money, its how the system works, the USA system always goes after the money.
Take OWS for instance with its 503-c1 very clever NOT to be political, ... never using money to bail people out, no fear of having anyone lose his money, ... its zero risk status-quo protesting.
Through-Out history, especially if you study emma-goldman from 1910's and later you'll see she spent much of her life in prison, for only what she publicly said, but what she said was that the "Poor and Hungry had the right to steal bread from the rich", that statement publicly would get her 3 years in prison for Sedition, then and NOW the USA system has way of handling people.
NOT a fucking thing has changed, today the USA has more people in prison per population than any country in the history of the world.
It has a leader, where have you been? I was elected six months ago.
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Who was the leader of the Tunisian revolution? Who was the leader of the Egyptian revolution?
Did those movements go nowhere?
Your assertion is obviously false.
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You simply do not know ahat you are talking about. The core of this movement is determined, bright, and know tha this will not be easy.
Yeah, tell us something we don't know. Try going to a GA and propose this idea. The anarchists will laugh you out of the park, or wherever their Neanderthal forms are squatting lately.
Judging from the Leftist onslaught of propaganda on this Forum I'd say Obama and the Dems are the leaders of OWS.
The OWS has only #1 agenda, ... re-elect Obama 2012,
Their support comes from public employee prison union officials, the largest and most powerful unions in america.
Obama's election is dependent upon pleasing the Prison Union, today the USA is controlled by the Prison Industrial Complex. The OWS would like nothing more than to have the 99% classified as criminals, then the the 1% declared as 'freemen'.
lulz is that what you think?
"This place is... remember Scaramanga? The bad guy in "The Man With The Golden Gun?" It's some rich psycho's entertainment."
hahahaha nice one man. Keep it up. Maybe you'll win a prize some day. That or people will just patronize you on the internet like this.
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Country going down
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