Forum Post: Occupy Building 7 Starts Tomorrow!
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 18, 2011, 8:02 p.m. EST by tensegrity
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For any of those who are supporters of opening up a new investigation into 9/11, there is an Occupy Building 7 movement starting tomorrow that will be marching from Zucotti to the new WTC Building 7 at noon.
If you're not already aware, Building 7 is the 3rd tower that collapsed on 9/11, having never been hit by a plane. This raises serious questions to be asked. The official report is that debris from WTC1 & WTC2 caused fires in Building 7 that eventually caused it to collapse. There is much evidence out there that challenges this claim.
There is also the group of (at the moment) 1,637 VERIFIED architects & engineers that disagree with the official story of Building 7 and are fighting for a new investigation into the probable controlled demolition of the building - http://www.ae911truth.org
If you are serious about opening up a new 9/11 investigation, join the march tomorrow & Sun to Building 7 to help raise awareness into the 3RD TOWER that collapsed on 9/11 that the majority of Americans know nothing about.
Please help support this movement in solidarity with OWS!
Here is the FB page: http://www.facebook.com/OccupyBuilding7
Ever seen Rap News with Robert Foster? They do a awesome job. WTC7? Osama? Makes you wonder... http://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia
I believe that some people want to believe that our government was involved because they don't want to face up to the fact that it was really that easy to fly a few planes into two building and cause that much damage.
They also don't want to believe that people hate us for occupying their countries and blowing up their citizens every day.
I'm not so sure that is a good idea. This will just deepen the bad press and skepticism towards OWS.
There is something to that. While the "9/11 truthers" are a dedicated bunch and have many thoughtful observations to give their cause a solid foundation, giving the MSM something, anything to latch onto to discredit OWS should be a consideration. The "truthers" undeservedly are classified as conspiracy theorists by MSM and so I think that tells us how they will spin this connection. Why not put energy into challenging the official story by Congress by occupying DC, that's something most people will support.
forget the MSM - they ARE problem !
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9/11 attacks - Mossad JOB
I think people should be wary of coming too close to the World Trade Center, and especially, the so-called Freedom Tower currently under construction. Just today an al-Qaida sympathizer was arrested with a bomb, which he intended to use against police. ( http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-mayor-al-qaida-sympathizer-arrested-014501683.html ) Where else are there more police in one place than at OWS marches? And if you march into a symbolic site of two previous attacks ... what better time for an attack? Worse, you could conceivably even provide them with a distraction covering some larger attack plan. You have only the police guess that this person was acting alone! Because of the psychological impact, there is no better time for them to strike at the "Freedom Tower" than when construction on it is nearly complete. Please, stay away from the World Trade Center, respect the dignity of those who lost their loved ones, ignore these kooky second-bomb conspiracies that only distract from any real conspiracy (i.e. some plot to allow, encourage, or pay al-Qaida to act to justify wars and attacks on civil liberties). There's just too much to lose.
how many times are you going to fall for these "terrorist threats;" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20nHAoqmEcY @2:05
I generally like Keith Olberman and I hope he's right, but New York actually did charge this person ( http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-21/n-y-man-faces-terror-charges-after-fbi-said-to-decline-case.html ) claiming that he did have weapons and was prepared to use them. With OWS sitting squarely in the now-nonexistent shadow of the Twin Towers, it doesn't seem impossible. I fear that al-Qaida will make its move on the new "Freedom Tower" sometime within the next four months or so, before it is visibly complete (and perhaps before it is fully reinforced), in order to create a sense of despair and futility in this country - to make Americans give up on any attempt ever again to rebuild such a structure, and make its absence not merely a witness to a random act of terrorism but to their enduring power.
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I have been camping and melted glass beer bottles in the fire fueled by hardwood. Glass can begin to melt at 900 degrees f. Steel becomes workable for a blacksmith at around 1000 degrees f. How difficult is it to comprehend that if a campfire can get 900 degrees a kerosene fueled fire can't get to 1000 degrees f and weekenthe steel causing a collapse?
Building 7 had a free-fall collapse for 2 seconds. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kPL-0z6nFSo/TAqytAFvyXI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/purtRjN0NIM/s1600/WTC7+NIST+admits+freefall.png "column buckling is asymptotic: resistance never goes to zero." ---Mechanical Engineer Tony Szamboti In other words 8 floors of structural resistance below had to be removed simultaneously to allow for a symmetrical collapse at free-fall speed. 1000 degree temperatures don't explain the micro-sphere quantity found in the dust. "The presence of metallic micro-spheres implies that these metals were once molten, so that surface tension pulled the droplets into a roughly spherical shape. Then the molten droplets solidified in air, preserving the information that they were once molten in the spherical shape as well as chemical information." ---Professor Emeritus Steven E. Jones
1000 degrees Celsius that is
All the steel was compromised simultaneously ? Steel frame buildings have never collapsed due to fire before 9 - 11 or since 9 - 11.
"A time comes when silence is betrayal."
Notice how large pieces of steel are turning to dust in midair and do not reach the ground below . . . see VIDEO -
http://www.drjudywood.com/wtc/
I guess many tons of downward force on the weakened steel would have no effect on a collapse. Keep the conspiracy alive as it will give you something to do in your old age.
keep the insults alive because the physical evidence does not support the "official conspiracy theory."
Paul McCartney-Alive or Dead?
9/11 "official conspiracy theory" is the Greatest Lie Ever Told.
Research. Think for Yourself. Think Critically !!!
You 9-11 conspiracy loons have some serious mental health issues.
Will Luke Rudkowski be there? Maybe you can ask him for some of the money he stole from other 9-11 conspiracy loons.
"DoodlesWeaver", could you possibly be a TROLL projecting on others "serious mental health issues" of your own??? Just askin'....
I have noticed that you call many people "trolls" TIOUAISE.
Pretty much everyone who is not a left wing radical is a troll to you. Now it seems everyone who is not a 9-11 conspiracy nut may also be a troll to you.
I can see this movement attracts all of the best people.
I did not call you a troll, "DoodlesWeaver", I merely asked the following question : "could you possibly be a TROLL projecting on others "serious mental health issues" of your own???" And I see you haven't answered it yet.
The reason for my question was your own sentence above : "You 9-11 conspiracy loons have some serious mental health issues."
so what you're saying is that a 3rd tower never collapsed am I hearing you right? Also that 1600 architects & engineers have mental issues?
No, you are not hearing me right. You conspiracy nuts hear nothing but the little voices in your heads.
It collapsed because it had been on fire for many hours due to the blast from the plane explosion setting that building on fire.
Q: how many modern steel structures collapsed due to fire? A: not one. Are you more qualified than the A&E's? I'm not
"It is the RESPONSIBILITY of every citizen to question authority" Benjamin Franklin
Very few modern steel structures were constructed the way the Trade Center buildings were constructed.
We have also never had massive explosions and hot fuel fires in any other buildings that were constructed similar to the Trade Center buildings.
A&E is not qualified for anything other than making TV shows designed for certain types of audiences.
A&E=Architects and Engineers : Perhaps Ed Asner's (Lou in Mary Tyler Moore show) piece will pique your interest: http://www.ae911truth.org/
Sorry. I have no interest in anything that leftist, anti-American, piece of shit Ed Asner has to say.
You people are arguing stuff that has been long settled with your crazy theories.
Even among groups of people like architects and engineers there are going to be crazy people and people who will lie and stretch facts for political agendas.
A certain amount of the 9-11 conspiracy people argued in favor of the conspiracy side strictly because they were anti-George Bush. They were in it for the political agenda. Since he has left the presidency, most of those people are silent. Now that a guy and political party they like is in charge, the government is back to being good.
In fact since Obama has become president, there has been extremely little heard from the 9-11 conspiracy crowd.
Bill Clinton even called you people nuts.
1600 crazy A&E's? yea because they live for politics. DoodlesWeaver, the voice of reason and objectivity! Bye.
Oh come on now, there have been demolition experts who has said that the way those buildings fell look like a controlled demolition event.
So you're smarter than 1600 architects & engineers that work in this industry their whole lives correct? Also, your condescending little remarks don't help your debate at all. You clearly can't debate in a diplomatic manner if you need to resort to insults.
I'm definitely smarter than any lunatic who thinks 9-11 was some type of inside job.
9-11 WAS a conspiracy. It was a conspiracy by a bunch of Islamic terrorists to hijack planes and fly them into buildings in this country. That is the only conspiracy that occurred.
All these 9-11 conspiracies and building 7 crap has been long ago debunked by numerous engineers and architects.
You are pissing into the wind. The people in the 9-11 conspiracy movement all have mental issues. ALL OF THEM.
See there you go with the insults. I'm starting to think YOU are the one with mental issues, since you obviously can't look at information in an objective, critical manner. I'm sorry, no, i don't care what you do for a living...but you clearly don't know the architectural industry better than people who work in it their whole lives.
So you'll listen only to engineers from one side of the story you're saying? Sounds like you only listen to what you want to hear. Those are good critical thinking skills you got there dude.
This crap is years old and has been debunked numerous times YEARS AGO.
Anyone who keeps hanging on to this bullshit conspiracy theory is mentally disturbed and deserves to be called out on it and insulted.
What other loon conspiracy theories do you believe? The moon landings were faked? The CIA killed Kennedy? Fluoride in drinking water is a sinister government plan?
I'm sorry are you 12? Yeah dude...they're all alike you're so right! If 30% of this country questions 9/11, we must believe in alien abductions too! That's the problem with you man...you don't have the brain capacity to discern nuances in information. You lump all things together since it's the easy thing to do, slap a label on it, call it a day and go back to eating your fruit loops. That's closed mindedness if i've ever heard it.
The funny thing is you're inside the OWS forum, where people are bitching about hundreds of things that REQUIRE discernible capacities.
Meaning if you think that because I question 9/11 I must believe in faked moon landings, you theoretically would also believe that all OWS protesters are lazy bums who wear patchouli and are living on trust funds, and we clearly know that's not case.
Stop lumping things together and actually TRY using that brain of yours to realize that there are nuances and subsets of people inside of larger supersets and to group them all together and say they have mental issues just makes you look like really uneducated. Generalizing won't get you anywhere.
The only uneducated people are you loons who think 9-11 was an inside job.
Every other rational intelligent human being that has looked at the facts has concluded that all the devastation was the result of the plane crashes into the towers.
The key word here being "rational". The 9-11 conspiracy nuts are not rational people. It seems that includes you as well.
It's true that most conspiracy type people believe in other conspiracies as well. There is a certain mental profile of people who are easily susceptible to various conspiracy theories.
There has yet to be a scientific rebuttal to Niels Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven Jones, et al. peer reviewed paper "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe." Since you are "definitely smarter than any lunatic who thinks 9-11 was some type of inside job." you should have no trouble publishing a scientific rebuttal in a journal... I'll be looking forward to your paper Doodlesweaver :)
You are wrong.
No one has rebutted the scientific studies published by NIST ...
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/
NIST doesn't provide the public with the computer simulate models they used to assert their conclusions so that in and of itself is not science. Science has to be verifiable and repeated which can't be done if NIST is hiding its sources. Even then though people have gone on to rebut NIST and point out evidence that they clearly ignore. When NIST ignores and doesn't even mention molten metal, eutectic steel formations, metallic micro-spheres, etc. you can't even consider their study to be inline with the scientific method.
Even considering the above various individuals have gone on to challenge NIST's conclusions these include Frank Legge, Tony Szamboti, Gordon Ross, Eric Douglas, Kevin Ryan, etc.
You are really good at dodging questions DoddlesWeaver; you claim that "This crap is years old and has been debunked numerous times YEARS AGO" when clearly it hasn't. Because of this you go on to bring up something irrelevant to the discussion (which is also wrong). Individuals have rebutted the studies of NIST; just because you choose to ignore it doesn't make your assertion true to the rest of the world.
I wonder if anyone stopped for a minute to think about the families who lost loved ones on 9/11, and if this would be in the best interest for them. Opening wounds thru a protest like this is just wrong. Not one of the families I know who lost someone on 9/11 is behind this theory.
I know plenty of family members including Bob McIlvaine, Manny Badillo, Valerie Lucznikowska, the Jersey Girls, etc. that openly support a new investigation. Many of which also believe 9/11 involved our own government at some level. I'm assuming you didn't even look at the Occupy Building 7 facebook page because you would have realized that Manny Badillo openly supports us.
I guess it was inevitable that 9/11 conspiracy theories would become a particularly rancid ingredient in the unsavory OWS stew.
Just stick to the main stream for information about the world. Six corporations own all of it, so you will only be exposed to approved information - from a highly centralized group. Nothing to see here . . move along !
First order of business is to prove that Paul McCartney is really dead and has been played by an imposter since 1966.
Some psychologists speculate that conspiracy theorists feel insignificant in their regular lives so they latch onto absurd conspiracies to feel important. They inflate their ego by believing that they are part of an elite few who know the "truth" that others do not. You cannot rationalize with the conspiracy theorists; they simply call all evidence presented as being part of the conspiracy and cannot be dissuaded from their beliefs.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842
Careful now, the same assumption could be made of the OWS contingent seeking control over something that have neither the power nor influence to change. Yet, in the midst of 911 conspiracy vs OWS.....I'll step out in front with OWS (just not the Canadian contingent - I have my own conspiracy theories). Quick point of contention to the 911 folk; please consider the mass, wide spread cover up with literally thousands of people claiming the same story......just not possible. Far too intricate to coordinate.....think.......
Yeah popular mechanics is such a trust worthy source especially when they try to make claims that thermite can't be used for demolition when they themselves almost 70 yrs. earlier had an article about explosive thermite charges being used to cut steel. Really convincing stuff...
http://www.nmsr.org/skyride.jpg It is great to see how people are in opposition to plain simple scientific fact...
Will Alex Jones be there?
I have no idea. Though, he tends to turn me off as I think he can be a little too radical at times. I think it's important to just focus on the cold hard facts...and I think Alex Jones jumps to conclusions sometimes.
The one fact that cannot be disputed is that a 3rd tower fell without being touched by a plane and that should raise some serious questions with the American public.