Forum Post: Obama Sending US Marines to Australia to Launch Iran War - Obama has one mission - Force world to accept US$$ for Oil
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 25, 2012, 3:27 a.m. EST by owsleader2013
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US Marines and warplanes operating in the Northern Territory, and warships and submarines using a West Australian naval base, will constitute a permanently increased military presence in Australia that was announced last night by the US President, Barack Obama, and the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard.
The marines, who will arrive early next year and number 25000 by 2012, will spend six months of every year in Australia. They will train alongside Australian forces and, for the first time, undergo training exercises of their own.
The build-up will be additional to the frequent joint training exercises already conducted between Australian and visiting US forces, such as the biennial Operation Talisman Sabre which this year involved more than 140,000 US troops.
Darwin was the base for WWII for the Pacific Theater. Darwin will be the base for WWIII.
Why do people here continue to say that Obama is preventing war? When in fact that Obama is accelerating the war, so that he can have a war during his re-election.
Since the Iraq War failed to quench the appetite for armed conflict held by some in Washington, there’s been a steady drumbeat of increasing frequency for war with Iran. We receive the weekly updates that Iran is however many months away from a nuclear weapon. Oddly, Iran has been months away from a nuclear weapon for several years now. When that fails, nameless officials warn of Iran developing missiles to put the U.S. within range. For these officials, this capacity itself would constitute a direct threat, a measure if used consistently means the U.S. has actively threatened every inch of the world with nuclear annihilation for some five decades.
The assumptive arguments about Iran’s nuclear intentions aside, the pre-war buildup differs from Iraq. With Iraq, there were crucial dates for opponents of the war to rally around. Millions protested to put pressure on the United Nations and successfully prevented the UNSC from legalizing the naked aggression against Iraq. Bush even gave Saddam a deadline before the U.S. would commence war, a period people used to mobilize additional protests, protests that ultimately failed to dislodge the country from its war trajectory as the staggering death toll from Iraq will forever remind us.
The build up to a war with Iran offers no such benefits to the anti-war movement. Netanyahu won’t make an appeal for war at the UN, a moment that would provide the chance for tens of thousands of protesters to urge world leaders to maintain and enhance peace. We can also be sure that Iran will not be given a last minute warning before the warplanes transverse the skies between Israel and Iran’s nuclear facilities.
We’re confronted with a war more dangerous than Iraq but without the obvious timing and location for the anti-war movement to mobilize. If war does breakout, we’ll likely find out without advance notice; only having it confirmed one morning, all of us waking up to news of an Israeli strike that drags the region and the U.S. into open war. We’d be left to campaign for a ceasefire after the destruction on Iran has been unleashed, nuclear fallout included. Opposing this next war demands a permanent vigilance, a challenge requiring exhausting and escalating effort.
This challenge demands a new dynamism to the anti-war movement much devoid of energy because of complacency since Obama’s election in 2008. The anti-war movement needs the disregard of protest norms adopted by the occupy movement. Millions marched against the Iraq War through pre-planned routes on inter-spaced days of action. To stop a war with Iran, the same or greater numbers are needed, but they must act to prevent the war, not just appeal to a peace embracing sanity our leaders don’t possess.
Preventing a war can’t be achieved by marches on the UN or White House alone. If it is achievable, it’ll be by occupying media institutions content to scare the public into war, media institutions disregarding ethical standards, let alone journalistic standards. They are the facilitators of war who have never found a conflict they disapproved of. We will also be required to physically wage peace by obstructing the war machine with sit-ins, strikes, and blockades of private companies out to profit from war.
This is all aspiration, but it’s important for a generation that has been repeatedly exiled back into apathy by governments that consider protests a public nuisance rather than the failsafe against the worst policy measure: war by choice. We must remind ourselves how we prevented the Iraq War from being legalized. Now, with enhanced tactics, we’ll move to prevent the war on Iran from being realized. When squares are occupied, schools are closed, & infrastructure is stalled, they won’t be able to dissuade others from joining us by suggesting we have no demands. We demand peace, and like the economic justice Occupy is striving for, we’ll enforce it on our own.
The build up in Australia is to send a message to China over the disputed areas of the south pacific though to be rich in oil.
There is NO build-up in Australia. There is no new US Marine base in Darwin, Obama promised me that if elected president he would send all the military parasites home to AmeriKKKa to kill the assholes, all 300 Million of them.
I think we should consider that keeping troops abroad is not merely expensive and potentially undiplomatic - it is also a sort of outsourcing. Military bases bring jobs and commerce to the surrounding communities, and this long after the second World War, those should be our communities again.
Who is we? Particularly since World War II and the evolution of a so-called bipartisan foreign policy, foreign policy has been the least accessible aspect of public policy for ordinary citizens primarily because virtually all federally elected officials tend to agree on its basic premises.
Obama sends carrier task forces, destroyers and subs to China's doorstep and sphere of influence: Korea, Taiwan, Japan, N. Zealand, Australia. What fit of rage would the US show if China had military exercises off Central and South America?
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As one of the biggest war economies in the world, the USA, we don't go blowing our nuclear wad all over the world, so why do you believe Iran would? Your fear of Iran seems a little ethnocentric.
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because they would be bombed out of existence and they know it. they're not stupid.
Because they are rational actors who use political rhetoric as well as American politicians.
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you've just been indoctrinated to hate who the gov't says you must hate. Also, don't confuse the whole Muslim population with the talking points you have gained from the radical right. You want to talk about radical fundamentalism? Lets talk about Rick Santorum. Radical bible bangers exist in all nations and are just as kooky in ours.
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Be careful admitting you don't understand my comparison. It shows how ignorant you are about religious fanaticism and Santorum. I'd never vote for a market fundamental Dominionist. I'd also not say that Iran is chopping heads off left and right, that would just be stupid of me. You better recognize you dumb ass hick, I ain't your ill informed buddy down at the pub, I make it a point to know about all civilizations and all religious quacks. Religiously intolerant people like you give Americans a bad name.
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here are a few sources that Santorum is a radical fundamentalist. Now give me some sources that Iranians are beheaded more than Americans are executed. And don't give me no dribble that our radicals are not as bad as their radicals. Also, I want Iranian sources because that is what this argument is about. If you give me some claims from Saudi Arabia, or any other Muslim nation besides Iran, this debate will be terminated, and you will go in my book as a radical fundamental American hick, who argues his case about world affairs as tritely as he would support his home state's football team.
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Give it up, ... backinblack has to be thrassy playing his standard socratic masturbatory, nobody is this stupid, not even the US Military,
Good point about Santorum, I wonder if backinblack got black from 'santorum', ( post anal sex debris )
Nobody is really stupid in this debate other than 'backinblack' and the US public, the IRAN public tend to be highly educated and well aware, ... the man on the street knows this is all about the theft of their oil, and so does the entire world, only christians and US public fed shit from israel believe that Iranians want to murder people the way USA murdered japanese at hiroshima or nagasaki
No my plan is to drag the ass of every US soldier and their offspring to Iraq and let the parents of all the sterilized children 'crush the balls' of US soldiers first born sons', .. just like the US soldiers have been doing for years in Iraq and Afghan. That's my plan.
Once the USA collapses there will be a Nurenberg Trial for the american people and the american soldier that the world will never forget.
You understand, of course, that you are very, very weird.
You must not know too many ex GIs, because I can think of a few of them that would kick your balls for that insinuation......I would advise you not to use that kind of language around them.
Dude, I have been on the street with OWS since day one, and your telling me that 99% of OWS is war mongering assholes? I know what I have seen.
You're confusing too.
Very weird.
So for you it's.
Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers?
Actually the US MIL tactic to get information in Faluja and most Iraq city's was to randomly occupy a Iraqi home and locate the first born son, and crush one of the testicles with your M-16, and then ask what you needed to know, they found that the parents in general are quite cooperative in fear of their infant son losing that precious second testicle.
You think I make this shit up, if you bother to get off your lazy ass and read about the US MIL and the Iraq operation, you'll find that testicle crushing is SOP ( standard operation ) for intelligence gathering.
My only point is this shit has a tendency to come home to roost.
You shall Sow what your reap, and the American people will pay for their crimes.
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We are the 99% don't you know? 99% of the OWS are Jarheads with nothing on their mind but killing Persian and/or Arab children.
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Go away paranoid asswipe.
NYTIMES - "OBAMA administration admits that Iran has NO nuclear weapons ...."
This is irrelevant, its what the ameriKKKan people think that matters.
The majority of the earth's population think the Iran War is an oil grab.
The system is just covering its ass here so there is no embarrassment like last time when no evidence was found. The War is already too far in motion to be stopped, to many people are already on the war payroll, too many assets have already been deployed.
The Iran War is like the 5 blind men and the elephant in India, one blind man holds the leg and thinks its a tree, another the trunk and is sure its a snake. They're all partially correct but totally wrong.
The Oil War's all along have all been about forcing nations to sell their OIL in US Dollars, and every time somebody say's they want Euro's or Gold we take that country out.
The War will go on,
Let's not forget that it was the US government that told Iran back in the 1970's to go nuke that it shouldn't be dependent on oil for the future.
The USA has nothing except nukes, guns, and paper dollars. It has no food, and is a net importer of gadgets, all its job's have been exported. If these country's are not forced to sell their oil in dollars then the USA has nothing left to trade.
What your witnessing is the death of the USA and the powerful bankers making the last attempts to keep the Titanic from sinking.
But NOTHING can stop this process now the ship is going down, in time nobody on earth will sell their food, oil, or gold for US dollars.
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The NDAA of 2012 increases the United States’ worldwide detention authority. In doing so it further entrenches a culture of war in American society. According to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), “The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield… the breadth of the NDAA’s detention authority violates international law because it is not limited to people captured in the context of an actual armed conflict as required by the laws of war.”
Does OWS have the Ball's to stop this War, or only the Ball's to be the cannon fodder for the war?
Why?
Why?
Obama is owned by Goldman Sachs, they "Dimon" & "Blankfein " financed his election in 2008.
The GoldmanSach's has a little problem, they can print all the US dollars they need courtesy of Federal Reserve, which they control, but nobody wants those dollars.
Libya, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran ALL want GOLD for their oil and NOT us dollars.
The USA doesn't have any gold, all they have is paper.
The USA ( OBAMA ) will continue to kills the worlds children ( persian & arab ) for one reason only, to send a signal to the world, that if you refuse our worthless paper for your treasures ( rice, oil, ... ) then we will kill your children.
This the real Obama not the mythical Obama that OWS likes to coddle.
The OWS was co-opted back in Oct 2011, by SEIU and DNC. Today the OWS only has ONE MISSION to re-elect Obama in 2012.
Obama has only one mission, to keep the world continuing to accept US Dollars.
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DIMON On President Obama:
“It's fair to say that he entered probably one of the most complex economies ever. And for a while, I think people did a very good job. I'm not going to talk about President Obama. I think for the last 18 months, between Congress, Democrats, Republicans, regulators, overseas regulators, it hasn't been coordinated in a way that's going to lead to recovery. Now, you can blame that on the president. You can blame it on the Democrats. You can blame it on the Republicans. I personally don't care. This has got nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans to me. I believe there are policy solutions and we don't have all the people in the room working on what those solutions are. What we have is a lot of people just yelling at each other.”
On his access to President Obama and whether his relationship with the president has “cooled off” at all:
“First of all, whoever was in the White House, a Republican or a Democrat, I would work with them, take their calls and try to help. There has been no cooling on my part, maybe on his part, but you would have to ask them that. Number two is we'd like to be part of the solutions, if we're asked. I don't believe there's been a lot of collaboration. One of my complaints has been I think people should cooperate more, Democrats, Republicans and practitioners. That would be a beneficial thing. I don't blame that on just the president. I look at the whole picture. It takes two to compromise.”
On the Occupy Wall Street movement: “There are parts I agree with and there are parts I don't. It is fair for the average American to say that the major institutions of America let me down. That's true. And it is fair, generically, to say, well, that's predominantly Wall Street and Washington. I think once you go beyond that and say all politicians, all banks, all bankers, that's terrible. I don't accept that. I know I'll never win this argument. But it's just not accurate. It's become a less equitable society. I don't think that's a good thing. It's becoming more equitable now because, you know, the income of the top 1 percent is coming down dramatically but I think we should have a conversation, what do you mean by how you're going to fix that? So we look for solutions. We've hired a lot of people. We're lending to small businesses, we're lending mortgages, we're lending to corporations. That's what we're trying to do to fix the problem. So I understand the generic arguments, but to me, I prefer to look for real solutions. I've disagreed right from the beginning that blanket blame of all banks, we're all bad guys or whatever. I don't like that. I think that's just a form of discrimination that should be stopped. It doesn't lead to productive conversation. Not everyone was equally bad. Not everyone was, in fact, bad. I think it denigrates America.”
I haven't heard anyone saying that Obama is preventing war. It's not in the interest of the company he works for lol. Why would he? Also, it'd be good if you would site your sources.
Some people might argue that the problem of preventing the newest U.S. war is not squarely within the area of concern of Occupy. I would argue that, in fact, there is no one better-positioned to take up this resistance than the biggest group of people in the U.S. who have gotten first-hand experience of U.S. government threats and repression.
It is not a coincidence that legislation that aimed at both Iran and at the Occupy movement was signed into law on New Year's Eve. The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) provides sanctions on Iran, and it also has sweeping provisions for indefinite detention of U.S. citizens that amount to "Guantanamo for EVERYONE!" and are clearly aimed at the Occupy movement (among others).
The Occupy movement is not the first group within the U.S. to find itself in the federal government's cross-hairs -- but it's quite clearly the one that's there right now. It takes courage to stand up to that, and that's why every day more and more people are signing on to the call to support OWS and help it resist its suppression.
It also takes courage to talk sense when a large part of the U.S. population has been convinced that another country is full of "bad" people, and is "asking for" a confrontation with the United States. This situation needs mass courage of the kind that few but OWS today possess.
I don't disagree with you. I would also go so far as to say that NDAA is aimed at all United States citizens, not just occupy. They are learning that we are figuring them out and that they won't be able to maintain control over us using conventional means for much longer. I would point you to the following website: www.teamlaw.org for some interesting information regarding the history of this Country. I would also caution you to do your own research as some of the implications explained are inaccurate. I would furthermore encourage you to find a copy of "Cracking the Code" which is a very informative book about the UCC.
Well I concur your a real person.
But you need to understand that 90% of the posters on this forum are BOTS ran by OWS, with the mission to create 'protest fatigue', they're fine tuning this product to sell to 3rd world dictatorships.
The system likes to play both ends, ... run OWS, but at the same time arrest those that are stupid enough to 'protest' on the streets. This system is hungry like a shark for new criminals to fill the prisons. The ONLY growth business in the USA is the prison biz, and SEIU public-prison unions are the paymaster of OWS.
Was somebody supposed to tell me what "protest fatigue" is?
'Cause they forgot.
Could you help me out with that?
Maybe it's outerwear. Can I order some protest fatigues?
Apparently it's some sort of botwear.
I guess you and I became bots when we hit 1,000 points.
I think I missed my bot training. I was hoping this non-bot could help me out, but he's not talking, just changing numbers a lot.
I guess he's just not up with the program.
Well, I know they recently passed legislation allowing drones so I imagine a bot is not altogether out of the question. Still...I hate to be begrudged my thousand points :( If someone has a million dollars what does that make them? How about a billion? What if we call them bots instead? They'll be the bots and we'll be the 99%.
This ol' bot's gotta go to bed soon, but I bumped a post on infiltration you might enjoy.........:)
Have fun being a bot tonight. It's like early Halloween...............:)
No fatigues necessary.
Well, I'm ordering some protest fatigues anyway...it sounds like fun. I'll be going to bed soon too. You must be west coast. Have a good night.....:)
West coast??
Nope. Detroit. It's gettin' late.......:)
Let me know if find out about the bot fatigues.
Every BOT reply 5 minutes on the nail, ... who ever gets suckered to buy this OWS software is going to get ripped off, whoever programs these BOTS is a pathetic idiot.
Just like a fucking clock, one bot after the other replying to each other on 5 minute intervals and nobody ever shadow-banning or deleting their shit, ...so you know they're programmed on the inside of the OWS firewall.
You give OWS way too much credit. If you're going to be conspiracy guy at least pick a group that actually has resources.
I don't give OWS much credit for anything, ... if you think that this is credit...
Monkeys, Indian Call Center $1/day jerks, ... BOT's, .. what ever you all are, ... working for peanuts or whatever your all the same person, and the same boring game.
If it is such a boring game, why do you play so much? Are you not on your fourth extra life? At this rate, you'll be at game over in no time.
I 100% concur we're all here because OBAMA is a war-monger and OWS is collectively organized to STOP THE IRAN WAR.
Thanks for the Confirm of your sincerity.
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That would be "you're all the same person" and you're as boring as anybody except for that neurosis thing you got going on.
Yes, but I don't have 100's of handles/monikers all talking to each other and giving each other point's, I relish having 'negative points' on OWS forum.
But you relish have 5,000 points, ... or 1300 and do so by having dozens of handles where you jump back and forth talking to yourselves and giving each other likes/dislikes, ... in my mind this is stuff for kinder-garten brat's,
Enough Said,
Is it time yet??
I don't want to be early, I'd rather be fashionably late........:)
I don't have my fatigues yet.
If you are a bot, I am pleasantly impressed with the humorous overtones you have been programmed with. Science has come a long way.
lol, don't I know it. I'm facing a federal "criminal" trial soon. I cam here looking for answers. I found leads but.... no answers yet. Law is not as concrete as I though it was, though :)
Troll shill
Bunch of crap.
Well I guess that is what I should have expected.
Actually the troop deployment and training is an open ( not to subtle ) threat to the Chinese Navy to behave themselves. They have been beginning to strut their stuff in the area.