Forum Post: Obama orders U.S. troops to help chase down African 'army' leader
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 3:40 p.m. EST by NachoCheese
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/world/africa/africa-obama-troops/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
I guess 3* wars is just not enough...
*It is actually much higher, but most people don't pay enough attention to realize how many countries we are currently fighting in and/or bombing.
I hate to admit this... If you were to tell me that Obama would be even more of a warmonger then Bush, i would have thought you were crazy.
I gotta say, I can't believe people are so willing to give him a pass on all these military adventur...errr uhhh..."humanitarian interventions".
How many countries are we currently dropping bombs on?
To be fair, i think a lot of the misconception is forum trolls and the ignorant. Democratic voters are mostly anti war. Progressives and Liberals are defiantly anti war. Obama, He does not represent the Left. He is more right wing the Regan for god sakes ! He is probably more right wing then both Bush's also.
As for how many countries we are in conflicts with ... I'm not sure lol. I was thinking about this the other day when replying to a post. I honestly wasn't sure how many conflicts we are in.
Oh I don't say "giving him a pass" based on opinion expressed here, as I hope to see this as less "D vs R" or "this politician vs that politician", but rather all voices trying to find something the largest majority of us can coalesce around.
I am shocked by people I know IRL who are ardently Democrat/Liberal and yet continually look the other way at this crap. With the Libya bombing (I refuse to call bombing a country "humanitarian"), I was hearing the same limp excuses the Bush supporters used with Iraq ("what about the suffering masses", etc...) and yet they seemed not to notice the cognitive dissonance that their position requires.
This isn't a left or right thing ... People in general are so numb to war it's not even a concern anymore. We just don't think about it. It's like most people in America have just accepted that we will always be in a war and our MSM makes excuses and justifies it. They turn it into a non issue and distract us with what the children in Washington are up to this week.
Our government and MSM is out of control. Obviously people are starting to wake up... That's why we are here right ? =)
I agree (well...at this point simply hope) "this" (you mean 99%, right?) is not about left/right.
As for the war thing, my only focused point was regarding Obama running on a "get us out of the wars" platform, and how those who elected suddenly stopped caring about what was happening with the wars, and even making excuses for the next war (Libya) or ignoring the escalation in the still undeclared war in Pakistan.
As for waking up, that remains to be seen...but I am hopeful, just as I am hopeful that other people will leave the left/right shit out of this, and focus on what we can agree on.
by "this" i meant the entire occupy movement, It's not a political thing. It's not about politics or political ideology.
"Obama running on a "get us out of the wars" platform" What Obama says and what Obama does are 2 very different things. I don't think you will find to many people on the Left or Right that will disagree with that statement.
I have disagree at this point about the apolitical nature of this. While I am hoping that I am wrong and my impression changes, but at this point (and this is from direct personal engagement) I see a lot of political crap.
I am not a liberal or nor am I a conservative, I see myself as a individual and make up my own mind on an issue by issue basis.
When I go in person, I get some rather harsh in your face treatment, the moment I dare dissent from some "groupthink" issue. Hence I have a running comment regarding when the "ideological purity purge" begins.
Unless or I should say until the hardline "my issue IS the 99%" is shutdown, many people just like me will continue to be turned off and/or turned away. I just happen to feel that this (just like the beginning of the Tea Party) has a chance to do something good for the actual 99%, not just the slogan...
that and I'm really fucking stubborn and don't quit easily.
There is tons of political crap on these forums and at the protests as well. Most how ever know that this is not about our political views. It's about a broken system, a broken government...
I'm a progressive so I'm sure we don't agree on much lol. How every, I'm sure we do agree that something is wrong ? I'm sure we agree on what is wrong ? Why not work on that and get it fixed, Then we can deal with the issues we don't agree on ?
As for the way you have been treated. There is bad blood between the Left and right. Especially with the Tea party. We both know this. Your political views and beliefs wont be accepted by most of the people that support the occupy movement. This is a left leaning movement and there is no doubt about that. We also know that this is a mostly left leaning movement and that's why we want to keep the political rhetoric out of it as much as possible.
You should watch this video to get a better insight into the OWS movement. It's a discussion with 4 people. 2 of them are actually involved and one just makes a fool of himself... Either way, they explain what the OWS movement is about and what we really hope to accomplish. They also make it clear that any one can support the movement but no one is going to take it over. Specifically the unions. The discussion starts at the 3 minute mark and there is a 5 minute commercial... It's not 20 minutes long =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO9oMV-RXRU&feature
I think we would agree on more things than you give me credit for, but that discussion is for another time/forum.
I agree about working on fixing what we all can see is a broken system, and that is why I am still trying to have my voice heard.
As far as the Tea Party is concerned, I tried there in the beginning when it a true grassroots movement of people wanting "fix the system" (same as I see here). Then I watched the partisans and party apparatchiks (Palin anyone?) come in and hijack the conversation and the "ideological purity purge" began.
By "ideological purity purge" I am saying that those who dare to dissent from an "ideological baseline" or challenge certain presumptions, the discourse turned into "you aren't a [insert movement name here]" and "You must be a [insert perceived opposition here] plant trying to disrupt".
I see the same type of inertia toward the ideological purity that I witnessed in the Tea Party. If it happens here, the same thing that happened there will occur...many many people will be turned off/turned away, and the movement ends up marginalized as an extreme fringe element.
My cause btw (and one I think resonates with a significant majority of "the 99%", the same cause I espoused at the Tea Party rallies: Getting the corrupting influence of money -- in the form of bribes called "campaign contributions" and $50K a plate "fundraisers" -- the fuck out of our political process.
don't forget the failed war on drugs.
Yeah...that idiot Perry wants to send our troops into Mexico.
Srsly, how many wars are enough?
It's never enough when war is for profit, when you hold stock in ammunition companies, and war machine manufacturers, you want war, diplomacy is for the 99%!
let me hear it in this poll. grassroots data collection please share the form link.
on my blog
http://blog.richardkentgates.com/
or just the form
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dFlNNHJTRlZwMWs5ZjlhTWN0NlZReHc6MQ#gid=0
Government is part of the 99% too. Occupy Uganda.
we must address our economic concerns that includes scaling back military operations.
we must address our economic concerns that includes scaling back military operations.
Obama announced the deployment of “approximately 100” combat-equipped personnel to act as “advisers to partner forces” that are targeting the leadership of the insurgent group. WOW I still can't believe i voted for this guy
Anyone remember how Viet Nam started...
How many wars does this make for him? Three? Four?
He promised us that he was going to end our involvement in the wars, not start more.
He lied to us!
This won't be called war...just like Libya, they will call it a "kinetic humanitarian operation". Those must be highly advanced "1,000 lbs hugs" that we are dropping. ;)