Forum Post: Obama or the Republican Moron
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 5, 2011, 9:52 p.m. EST by hchc
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from Tampa, FL
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Officially one year until 2012 elections, and once again we are going to be stuck with some shitty ass choices.
I am doing my best in Tampa to get some different people involved, instead of these two corrupted parties.
Anything else going on?
I'll vote for Obama for 2012 and a third party for 2016. I'm just way too nervous about any of those Republican idiots making it to the White House.
You can write in anyone you want
Write-in Elizabeth Warren for President in the Democratic primary. Wall Street hates her.
They won't hold a primary without a primary challenger.
That's not true.
There are other races and Obama will appear unopposed on Democratic ballots in most states. And people can register Republican to Write-In Elizabeth Warren there if they want to.
the corporate president is worse than obama - so what else is new?
a third party with 50,000,000 members in place.
pray for it but dont bet on it
wanna do something concrete? change things?
We need to pick an issue that is simple - that is popular - how about an issue
that 83% of Americans agree on -
that 56% of TP agree on -
that will bring together the people in OWS with the people outside of OWS
Our only goal should be to pass a constitutional amendment to counter Supreme Court decisions Citizens United (2010) & Buckley v. Valeo (1976), that enable unlimited amounts of anonymous money to flood into our political system.
It will be as short and concise as possible, a legally constructed
“corporations and other organizations are not a persons and have no personhood rights”
and
“money is not free speech”.
We don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals. Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal – from jobs, to taxes, to infrastructure , to Medicare – much easier to achieve –
by disarming our greatest enemy – GREED.
THE SUCCESS STORY OF THE AMENDING PROCESS The Prohibition movement started as a disjointed effort by conservative teetotalers who thought the consumption of alcohol was immoral. They ransacked saloons and garnered press coverage here and there for a few years. Then they began to gain support from the liberals because many considered alcohol partially responsible for spousal and child abuse, among other social ills. This odd alliance, after many years of failing to influence change consistently across jurisdictions, decided to concentrate on one issue nationally—a constitutional amendment. They pressured all politicians on every level to sign a pledge to support the amendment. Any who did not, they defeated easily at the ballot box since they controlled a huge number of liberal, and conservative and independent swing votes in every election. By being a single-issue constituency attacking from all sides of the political spectrum, they very quickly amassed enough votes (2/3) to pass the amendment in Congress. And, using the same tactics, within just 17 months they were successful in getting ¾ of the state legislatures to ratify the constitutional amendment into law. (Other amendments were ratified even faster: Eight—the 7th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 17th, 20th, 21st and 26th—took less than a year. The 26th, granting 18-year-olds the right to vote, took just three months and eight days.)
If they could tie the left and right into a success -
WHY CAN'T WE??????????
I feel that we should stay with this simple text to overturn CU:
”corporations are not people” and “money is not free speech”
for four simple reasons and one – not so simple:
1
83% of Americans have already opposed CU in the ABC/Washington post poll and the above
IS THEIR POSITION ALREADY.
2
We don’t have to work to convince people on the validity of our position.
3
Simple is almost always better.
4
This simple Amendment is REQUIRED to overturn CU.
And all other electoral reform can be passed through the normal legislative process.
5
OWS and these pages are chock full of ( mostly ) excellent ideas to improve our country.
All of them have strong advocates – and some have strong opposition.
None of them has been “pre-approved” by 83% of Americans !
Pursuing this goal – without additional specifics is exactly what Americans want.
What do we want? Look at that almost endless list of demands – goals - aims.
Tax the rich. End the Fed. Jobs for all, Medicare for all. So easy to state! Can you imagine how hard it would be to formulate a “sales pitch” for any of these to convince your Republican friends to vote for any of them?
83% of Americans have ALREADY “voted” against CU. And 76% of the Rs did too.
All we have to do ask Americans is to pressure their representatives – by letters - emails – petitions.
Wanna take your family on vacation?
Convince the 7 year old and the 10 year old to go to Mt Rushmore.
Then try to convince them to go to Disneyland.
Prioritizing this goal will introduce us to the world – not as a bunch of hippie radical anarchist socialist commie rabblerousers – but as a responsible, mature movement that is fighting for what America wants.
I feel that using the tactics of the NRA, the AARP an the TP – who all represent a minority – who have successfully used their voting power to achieve their minority goals - plus the Prohibition Amendment tactics – bringing all sides together - is a straight path for us to success that cannot fail to enable us to create and complete one MAJORITY task.
If there is actually an election in 2016 it will not be on this planet. No matter what the outcome of OWS....the systems are falling apart. What we will have by 2016 depends on the intestinal fortitude of the masses...and history says 'don't place your bet on the masses'.
Hello uber regulated police state :)
Did President Obama keep his 2008 campaign promises? Discuss one-on-one with one of the users here: http://www.youmepolitics.us/
No.
There is a way to protest the lack of valid choices offered the people by the Democrats and Republicans.
The elections are the one time that WE the PEOPLE get to express our political opinions in a forum that is actually counted by the government. So instead of passively flipping switches as the two dominance parties tell us to do I use the WRITE-IN option to express myself.
I Write-In candidates who reflect and respect my values. In the 2012 elections I will Write-in Elizabeth Warren for President in the Democratic primary. Wall Street hates her.
I vote strategically. That is, in the primary, I change my voter registration to whichever party has a candidate that best reflects my values. Including Independent. Don't lock yourself into the phony two party paradigm.
If the #Occupy movement were to mount a massive national voter registration movement for INDEPENDENT voters it would send a massive and powerful message to both the Democrats and Republicans. It would scare the hell out of them. Neither party would any longer be able to expect these votes to go their way.
I have been mainly registered as an Independent voter since 1996. Prior to that, as a Democrat, no one cared what I thought because I was expected to vote the party ticket. Once I registered Independent the pollsters started calling me during elections asking for my opinion. Politicians call me incessantly at election time because they DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM THINKING.
My opinion counts as an Independent.
There's no choice...Morons to the left of me Manchurian Candidate Presidents to the right..Here I am stuck in the middle with you.
Partisan troll post
Pretty hard to be partisan when you say they ALL suck...Duh?
how about the PEOPLE:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-demand-informed-direct-democracy-online-whos-wit/
How do we get to that point?
like this: http://openassembly.org
We don't need anyone's permission to ecxercise our right to vote. Start taking back our gov now!
Ok, so what are you doing tomorrow to get to that point?
I'm afraid you don't understand, we are already voting now, we will vote tomorrow ad the next day and the day after. The number of voters online will increase till the politicians have no power left, and then they will be working for us, as they should be. This is already happening now. Once you see that sites like openassembly.org have over a million votes that say: "get our troops back home now!" or "ban the use of drone strikes, we're SURE there is a better way to fight terrorism, here's some ideas that come from the people", or "reverse Patriot act", or whatever; then everyone in the country will join in, IT IS ALREADY BEGUN.
What makes you think they will listen then? Im pretty sure every single Dem that voted for Obama is pissed at the wars. He doesnt fuckin care.
Fuck Obama, fuck all the Dems and Reps, ALL of 'em! When everyone in this country is voting online on issues, then it will not matter if the politicians "listen", they will have no choice but to do what the people say. It only started a week ago, imagine how many will be voting by next year!
The politicians will pay no attention to online voting.
right, not at first :) That's a good thing, - don't worry, this online voting thing is just a phase, like when facebook first came out right? So if you believe that, then move along, nothing of any interest to you here, nothing to see, go watch the "news" on your favorite TV station, and don't forget to pay close attention to the commercials, they're really what it's all about, especially the ones that tell you which candidate is better to vote for, good luck to you.
The Stranger
A few years after I was born, my Dad met a stranger who was new to our small town. From the beginning, Dad was fascinated with this enchanting newcomer and soon invited him to live with our family. The stranger was quickly accepted and was around from then on.
As I grew up, I never questioned his place in my family. In my young mind, he had a special niche. My parents were complementary instructors: Mom taught me good from evil, and Dad taught me to obey. But the stranger... he was our storyteller. He would keep us spellbound for hours on end with adventures, mysteries and comedies.
If I wanted to know anything about politics, history or science, he always knew the answers about the past, understood the present and even seemed able to predict the future! He took my family to the first major league ball game. He made me laugh, and he made me cry. The stranger never stopped talking, but Dad didn't seem to mind.
Sometimes, Mom would get up quietly while the rest of us were shushing each other to listen to what he had to say, and she would go to the kitchen for peace and quiet.
(I wonder now if she ever prayed for the stranger to leave.)
Dad ruled our household with certain moral convictions, but the stranger never felt obligated to honor them. Profanity, for example, was not allowed in our home - not from us, our friends or any visitors. Our long time visitor, however, got away with four-letter words that burned my ears and made my dad squirm and my mother blush. My Dad didn't permit the liberal use of alcohol but the stranger encouraged us to try it on a regular basis. He made cigarettes look cool, cigars manly, and pipes distinguished. He talked freely (much too freely!) about sex. His comments were sometimes blatant, sometimes suggestive, and generally embarrassing..
I now know that my early concepts about relationships were influenced strongly by the stranger. Time after time, he opposed the values of my parents, yet he was seldom rebuked... And NEVER asked to leave.
More than fifty years have passed since the stranger moved in with our family. He has blended right in and is not nearly as fascinating as he was at first.
Still, if you could walk into my parents' den today, you would still find him sitting over in his corner, waiting for someone to listen to him talk and watch him draw his pictures.
His name?....
We just call him 'TV.'
(Note: This should be required reading for every household!)
He has a wife now....we call her 'Computer.'
Their first child is "Cell Phone".
Second child "I Pod
Is there any progress on the online voting thing? I think that was a good idea for something different.
obama vs GOP 2012 = corporate america vs corporate america , either way , the middle class lose , repeal citizen united vs FEC, get money out of politics, then we can talk about who we should or shouldn't vote
Sorry for what may seem like a trolling post but here are some interesting links:
Independent Human Rights investigation of Obama and NATO crimes against humanity in Libya. Obama gave orders to bomb without congressional approval: http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/10/11/sarkozy-cameron-obama-al-thani-and-the-suffering-of-the-children-of-sirte/
Fact check: Romney vs Obama: who lies more? -- quite similar. http://www.factcheck.org/barack-obama/ http://www.factcheck.org/tag/mitt-romney/
Top 20 recipients of Wall Street Funds: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=F07&cycle=All&recipdetail=M&sortorder=U Historically, which party receives more from Wall Street? http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=F07&cycle=All&recipdetail=A&sortorder=U
An interesting perspective by Noam Chomsky: --Noam Chomsky on the State-Corporate Complex: http://chomsky.info/talks/20110407.htm
Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQhEBCWMe44
Noam Chomsky on why Obama is worse than Bush: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mA4HYTO790 and Obama's imperilstic policies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiwAFIgGCkQ
Did you know that Obama's health care reform is not public health care. After meeting with lobbyists (as reported by the NY times and Huffington Post), all it did was secure the corporate monopoly for a few for-profit health care industries especially the current health insurance corporations and BigPharma. It's like Obama has just put into law that everyone must purchase their car insurance from a few corporations, who now have full power to set the prices as however they want. Did you know that a deal was made to CUT the public option and if Obama had persuaded at least 20 or so Democrats, there would have been a public option. So lose-lose to those who wanted a public health care option and also to those who favor the markets. ---Read the articles how Obama met with lobbyists to kill the public option. ---Consequently, patients in the long run will lose, doctors and health care workers lose as the health care industry is now run by a few corporations.
Republicans were in power at one point and Democrats were in full power just recently up until midterm elections---the difference? Obama's budget for military spending per year was higher than that of Bush's. In fact, Republicans probably kept calling Obama a socialist to keep him in power as he continues to serve the will of Corporate America and the Big banks as both parties do. .. while offering the illusion that you're winning the fight from a false dichotomy.
Is it better to give allegiance to Caesar whether it be Romney/Obama OR your children. Two parties for two audiences, but same policies that serve the priorities of their corporate or wall street funders, maybe promising some bread crumbs after--each telling their own audience to demonize the other party providing examples of how 'racist,' or 'stupid,' the other party is, and thus get off free from bearing any responsibility or accountability.
NEITHER REPUBLICANS NOR DEMOCRATS have been representative of the people. CHOOSING BETWEEN THE LESS OF TWO EVILS IS A FALSE DICHOTOMY. DON'T BUY IT. The reason why change may not happen is not because of Republicans but us who fail to say anything.
You don't have to find people you agree with in everything, but the core things. Action speaks louder than words.
just my rant. sorry for the misleading title.
While I got your attention... Here's a Political Solution to Satisfy Progressives and Conservatives; Socialists and Libertarians http://occupywallst.org/forum/political-solution-to-satisfy-progressives-and-con/
What do you think of the Robin Hood tax? Bill Gates wrote a report to support it and wanted the G20 nations to address it. Even UK conservative PM Dave Cameron ran his campaign on it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/03/gates-urges-g20-to-introduce-tobin-tax
Both parties are corrupted , i will not vote
Ive dedicated myself to creating candidates with no party affiliations, normal people. We need people like you to step up and make this happen..
Vote for the people, vote with the people here:
http://openassembly.org
discussions: http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-demand-informed-direct-democracy-online-whos-wit/
and you are the reason why the democratic system in America "sucks"
i am the reason , really??? both democrats and republicans are corrupted , for the rich ,for the big corporation , the ones we are opposed, you give me anyone who is not influenced by bankers , corporation and military industry complex and i will be happy to vote for him/her . and if you cannot find any one , SHUT UP
No they aren't. They are for whoever votes for them and interstingly enoug, the top 40% vote a hell of a lot more than the bottem 60%. You want to make a difference, you announce to them that you aren't in the top 40% and you want to vote. Not voting is the very reason you all have your current problem.
well k lets say i voted for Obama or GOP next fall , if either of them win with campaign donation from corporations , they will have to get orders from them , we have no voice right now , that what this movement is about ,money talks in american politics , we are here to stop it , i am not against voting . vote for someone who will listen to your voices, and right now , no party does
The vote independent, Green Party and Libertarian make it into like every state. Vote for them, even if you don't suppot their message, you vote will show that you al least care and if enouhg of you do it, the voting percentages in America will change and the main parties will pay more attantion to the bottem 60%
yeah if everybody votes green and independent, voting libertarian is not such a good idea , its pretty much like the republican party, no regulation , cutting taxes, too much freedom for corporations
Listen I don't care what you vote for, If you lived in Alabama and were a black jew I would tell you to vote for the American Nazi Party for all I care but vote. The cances any of those groups will win more than 1 or 2 seats is almost 0 when they see that people who don't ususlly vote voted, they will take notice to you. Look at the black and latino groups this year. After their turn out in 2008, policiticans will be trying to appeal to them. You can do the same.
i know you have good intentions because you want the best for our democracy ,and partly you are right ,you have to look all your options you are saying let your voice be heard, its good but voting is about the future,and elections have consequences, if i was a black jew i wouldnt wanna vote for nazi party and then die in gas chambers, a few years later, vote in a way politicians will come and try to appeal to you .
I'm not saying to actually vote for the Nazi Party, but if everyone who could vote actually votes, even if it made no difference this election, would make a real difference next election becuase the parties would see that even though 100% of the population voted, the same ammount as befor voted for them. By mid term, they would be bending themselves over the barrel for the bottem half to get their votes
Dude, its a freakin year away. how much time do you need?
Vote out all incumbents in 2012!
especially the all that includes Sherrod Brown and Jim Clyburn and Bernie Sanders
Did you ever consider that statements with "all" "none" "never" "always" are fundamentally rooted in lazy simplistic anger
I think this is a noble idea. The best message to send them: you don't belong there if you don't represent us. I will personally do so.
Vote None of The Above
All you have to do is get some people started thinking and we can scrape the stink of Fox and Clear Channel off of them. then a bath in tomato juice and viola...human beings!
It is truly amazing how apathetic people are...
It would be pretty rad if ANY state did. Im not sure what the freakin problem is with America, and their love of corrupted parties...
Good that you're in florida and one of the two states that decides the election.
It'd be pretty rad if florida elected a 3rd party candidate.
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Republican moron over Democrat Dreamer
You forgot the Neolibertarian malfeasants.
I thought you received your injection at 11:30?
Sorry no. I did just eat some yummy chile though.
You haven't noticed the Neolibertarians yet?
Well, I guess the check still hasn't cleared.
I know the libertarians are mean too, but they are just looking out for your best interests.
The check won't ever clear. That should be Obama's campaign slogan.
What is the difference between a neolibertarian and a current libertarian?
The fact that you use the Greek "neo" to impress people, I guess.
The village idiot Odumba has given us the worst economy since the great depression, but the brain dead morons in the Wall Street Whiners group say they'll vote for him again.
Obama is a puppet like Bush and Clinton and Big Bush. This economy is due to 0% interest rates (they cant go any lower), tax policy and globalization
sooo..HIGHER interest rates are the answer?
No, what Im saying is the main way they have stimulated the economy the last 20 years is to lower the interest rate, have a sale on the money, if you will.
Well, they are currently at .4%, cant go lower, so now they are left to actually use their brains or make hard decisions, niether of which is in their ability.
You're doing the right thing, we need a hard core progressive third party, I won't vote for the fool Obama!
Most people seem to be financially conservative and socially liberal. Would you agree?
Ron PauI 2012 read up on him, or look at his site www.ronpauI2012.com
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