Forum Post: Obama mentions automation as a reason for job loss!
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 6, 2011, 6:03 p.m. EST by rbe
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/12/06/obama_now_blames_the_internet_for_job_losses.html
I'm not really an Obama fan but I wish people would listen to this! He is mentioning the same thing that I've been posting about on here for the past 2 months: Jobs are becoming obsolete due to advances in technology. This is a great issue to rally behind. When people start acknowledging that this is happening, then solutions will follow, and those solutions will change the lives of everyone for the better! This is an issue that could unite people from both sides of the aisle. I've spoken with tea party members who realize that this is happening and that it will be hugely problematic unless a conversation is started.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/jobs-are-becoming-obsolete-due-to-advances-in-tech/
well there is an alternative
http://www.thevenusproject.com/
I wonder if he knows about that?
I think outsourcing plays a major role in jobless. Well, they do not need us and they are building the NAZY CAMPS. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/social_issues/jan-june11/incarceration_04-07.html http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=couq2HkAdDU
I saw some numbers that said that more jobs have been lost due to automation than to outsourcing.
I doubt it for one simple reason...
It's a lot cheaper to hire a 10 year old in a 3rd world country to make shoes then it is to build a robot that builds shoes.
How? The robot potentially lasts for 10 years if not more. Much cheaper than human labor even in the third world. Here's a link advising entrepreneurs to automate instead of outsource: http://www.entre-propel.com/automation/always-automate-before-outsourcing/
$2 a week X 200 = $400 or $30,000,000 for a robot that lasts 10 years + employees to monitor and maintain them.
Where are you getting the $30 mil from?
If you think $30,000,000 to retool a large factory is a lot of money ... lol, just stop now.
I've worked in factories, and I can tell you no way they spent more than several million on all of the robotic machinery.
I can take you to a factory that is only partially automated and just spent well over $200,000,000 on 1 single printing press... They have 16 more.
Do you mean $200 million or $200 thousand?
17 printing presses would be $3.4 billion then. That's more expensive than most skyscrapers in Manhattan.
I meant $200 million.
( edit ) I gave the wrong first link... http://www.manta.com/c/mmcxw7w/segerdahl-group
The only reason i know how much their newest press, the largest in the world, costs is because my father worked their for 40 years and i have other family members that still do.
http://www.segerdahl.com/850Tandem.html
I doubt that. That company has an annual revenue of between $50-100 million. http://www.manta.com/g/mmcxw7w/richard-joutras
If it's $100 mil in revenue, it would take 34 years at that rate for them to even take in as much money to pay off their investment. Not including the interest they would have to pay to finance that deal.
if there are not enough jobs to keep everyone working,
than our economy cannot be based on jobs
Yep, I agree.
Uppp!
Gee, when one automates with Asian made products (I'm sure our Silicon Valley and thousands of machining/manufacturing facilities couldn't make any of that stuff) well, such a statement is like beating somebody with a razor sharp claymore before dicing them to bits with it.
Did you know that American Machine Manufacturers have been prohibited from selling CNC and other manufacturing equipment, to China, for years?
However, what has been allowed to be sent over there, in wholesale mass, has been our engineering know-how and plenty of people to train the Chinese how to use the rest of the world's CNC type equipment, and other types as well.
Ten years ago most Chinese CNC machines used to have american Fanuc controls. These days these machines still have Fanuc controls but they also are made in China.
American Fanuc as a Japanese Fanuc can be, perhaps.
I know Lewis and Gidding, and others, raised hell because our elected servants would not allow them to sell to Asia. Yet, they can come here, buy land, have the red carpet rolled out to build new factories, drive right past all the ones closed due to outsourcing and trade deficits, which create jobs here, with marginal pay rates.
Try land ownership in Asia, or just about most any other place in the world besides America.
http://www.china-intern.de/page/wirtschaft-hintergrund/1318019478.html
it's amazing when a meat puppet dares to persist talking out of both sides of his neck, knowing full well shit comes out of either side
That's politics for ya! We need a completely new system.
China put 300 million people to work over the past 25 years making things for the US and Europe.
Most imported stuff we buy at Walmart's, CVS, Target and the like are still mostly made by hand.
We need to have the government build or fund the building of factories here in the US to make the things we are importing.We have lost the first trade battle for the US market, let's start a counter attack for our market.
China won't keep its currency low forever and when they let it rise we will really be hurting.
Companies in China are starting to automate as well. The most famous one recently is Foxconn:
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20111129000006&cid=1102
Lots of automation is to produce higher quality parts and assemblies and to do things that people could not do otherwise. Even so, if we automate everything we still need a mechanism to have the benefits of automation distributed to the population or there will be no one to buy the products unless they are free and even then we need an allocation mechanism.
I agree. That's why it's important to talk more about this and hopefully get a national, if not global, conversation going. Once people acknowledge what's going on, then we will be able to reach a solution on how to change our society to accommodate our new reality.
They have a labor shortage in China last I read and were encouraging immigrants to work there.
Interesting. I'm reading about that now. Seems in some cases, the companies are having a hard time transporting workers into where the factories are.
That, and the outsourcing to 3rd world countries with slave labor.
Thanks Clinton.
Obama is a moron.
That is all.
Still. there are a lot of people that respect him and listen to him. So when he says something like this, it'll reach more ears then when you or me say it.
I am not a big fan of Obama either, but he is right in this regard.
Could you eliminate all of the space in your article?
What Obama just did was increase the federal budget deficit by admitting the population should be working less than a 40 hour week due to automation.
Space? What do you mean?
Having the population work less than 40 hours a week could be a short term solution to the problem.
I have to scan down the entire page to read your article content. Is there a picture or something that I am not seeing?
On the page that I linked? I think there's a video on their page. I don't see a space.
It is a problem of the page's design. The link post by rbe is wider than the column on the left, therefore it is displayed below the end of the right column leaving a lot of space.
Ah! It doesn't show up that way on my browser, but I know what you're talking about.
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