Forum Post: Obama is our best hope even if you don't agree with him.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 19, 2011, 2:24 a.m. EST by larryathome
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Fact, Romney is the front runner on the right. Obama already has his ground game in place. If you think back to the days where Romney was a Bain Capital guy, you will truly understand what he stands for. He clearly is in the very very top of the social scale with a nine figure net worth. You need to understand how he got there and it was by stepping on business and outsourcing jobs. He was clearly an individual that is exactly like those that caused the financial class. They prop up the speculative value of companies and when they are ready to collapse, they tell the investor to invest in that security only to see it collapse. These bankers made big money speculating up valuation of companies and when the s@#T was about to hit the fan, they would offload them, knowing that they were doomed investments. In fact, the way the current crisis happened was with complex mortgage backed securities and those who were left holding them were hit the hardest.
None of the rest of the republican field members are merely more than just radicals with a microphone. In fact, like Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann, expect to see Herman Cain to become the next casualty of the debate as someone rises up as the flavor of the month.
Clearly, there are things that Obama has done as president that I do not agree with, but I understand that the things that he did as president were due to intransigence of the republicans in congress.
Make this a point. Make sure you are registered to vote and turn out in 2012. Vote for Obama and consider the alternative. In a two party system, we only have two candidates with any shot of winning the presidency. That is the nature of this, but let it be known, by the time the midterm congressional elections are ready to happen, we need for this movement to spawn a wing of the democratic party leaning farther to the left parallel to the way the Tea Party formed and shaped policy and elections. We need to gather a voice with our reps in our own districts. Start forming our own congressional caucus. Examples of this are the Congressional Black Caucus and the Tea Party. We need one that covers the left. It will shift the balance of power way back to the middle when it has been pulled so far to the right and dangerously slow.
Turn out and make it your message!
OWS, as a group, ought not back Obama (or anyone else in particular).
I won't argue merits here; you argue "Lesser evil;" I'll argue "No results in 3 years;" you argue "Obstructionism," I'll argue "Inefficacy, plus an even less friendly Congress ahead." That goes pretty much nowhere, and we would both just wind up exasperated.
I see a much better reason for OWS to not bang the drum for Obama or anyone else in particular. Even tacit Obama support negates OWS's potential leverage. If OWS's vote is "in the bag," Obama can forevermore safely ignore OWS, and the opposition can mostly write us off as Democrat Lobby Group #13329 (as the Paulites pack their bags). As a non-affiliated group, OWS can exert influence on both parties, which won't happen if OWS becomes perceived as the Committee to Re-Elect Obama.
Obama backers already have means to get their message out. A massive party structure with established methods for consuming both time and material donations already exists. There's nothing stopping anyone who happens to like a party candidate from stumping for whoever they want. However, for my part, I think anyone doing so on behalf of OWS is doing OWS a grave disservice.
See also: 10,000 threads on co-opting.
I don't necessarily disagree with this.
You sir, win +1 internets. Well stated and right on target.
http://ows.superunion.org/results/?q=co-opting
If you pay close enough attention, obviously, you will see who is paying the most attention to this movement. I am all for specifically going with the times to even endorse different parties over the years to come providing that they stay inline with protecting us who are not wealthy from those that are set for life and just want to game the system for control. I am specifically glad that you have stated this, but we are at a critical crossroads here with another election coming up next year. What do we do? Is there any possible way that this movement will spawn a candidate that can win an election? My belief is that too many people are trying to co-opt by supporting Ron Paul. Bottom line is that as a member of any part of this movement, I wish to find ourselves at the tv set when they announce the winner of the next election to be an individual that has a specific plan to help someone like myself who only works part time and also has an Internet start-up business. Every candidate has good and bad, but this is a hot button here that people hate to see touched, but ultimately, the power of the movement will end at the polls. I find your argument valid about inefficacy, but not entirely correct. Bottom line, we will not celebrate after the 2012 elections, but will maintain hope that we can go back to the days where our government took steps to protect us from the abuses that have left people out of work, facing foreclosures, struggling with education and so many more things that there is not enough time in a day to express. Lesser of evils? I don't view Obama as evil, but I view him as one that heard our voice and did not know how to carry that voice. I give him the benefit of the doubt considering the alternative. I have spoken in this forum about specific things I believe in, such as ending "Too Big To Fail" by seeing this act repealed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act I think for the time being, without a viable alternative, we have to make considerations about fact and if everyone hates me for saying so, so be it, but it would be even worse to see another Wall Streeter in the white house.
Out with all of the old, in with the new. We should not even be waisting our time or breath talking about any of the old establishment. They are done! If there is not a new election we would have done all this for naught. They will say" ok now their little temper tantrum is over" and they will be back to business as usual. We shouldnt even call our new government by the same names or titles. No hierarchy in the new peaceful, clean and honest nation.
No matter what we do, 2012 elections will come and either a democrat or a republican is going to win. We don't have any other options (at least now). So the question is, given only one of the two can win, who will better serve our interest? This goes back to the question "What is OWS trying to achieve?" I think OWS will make a lot of noise, 2012 will come, one of them will get elected and it will be business as usual. What is the way to change that?
You say "My belief is that too many people are trying to co-opt by supporting Ron Paul."
YET the title of this post is "Obama is our best hope even if you don't agree with him. "
So who is co-opting who ?
OK, thanks for the PM. You're right, I didn't add enough new material to justify the length, and the anger was pointless. Sorry about that.
Romney = Obama = Wall St bought and paid for.
Ive double checked this equation and it all adds up to me.
Just look at this one. http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/post-partisan/Images/RomneyBainCapital.jpg?uuid=xxj8ePjFEeCvhYhGIVt8PQ I think you will see where Romney stands. Obama has let us down, but seems to be stepping it back up and Wall Street is clearly campaigning against him and supporting the Romney campaign. Don't expect Wall St. to donate to Obama this time around.
Wall St ( and the elites) own both sides of politics.
That is absolutely crystal clear.
It is 100% untenable to consider reelecting Obama who received the most Wall St donations in HISTORY.
The government is not benevolent.
Obama is NO saint.
Both major parties are equally as corrupt.
Choosing the best of two evils is not a choice.
If you want to vote - Vote Ron Paul.
Top contributors (PAC) These numbers are from the last quarter:
Romney: Goldman Sachs $293,250 Credit Suisse Group $172,000 Morgan Stanley $128,850 Vivint Inc $85,750 PricewaterhouseCoopers $78,000 HIG Capital $62,500 Bank of America $59,200
Obama: Comcast Corp $79,955 Exelon Corp $46,625 Goldman Sachs $44,750 Ballard, Spahr et al $43,800 Sony Corp $43,240 Mayer Brown LLP $41,700
Dr. Paul: US Army $10,627 Google Inc $8,572 Corriente Advisors $7,500 US Air Force $6,515 Entergy Corp $5,950 United Technologies $5,914 US Navy $5,152
SEE ANY DIFFERENCES ??
Romney’s and Obamas top supporters appear to be made up of big banks.
Paul’s top contributors were men and women serving in the U.S. Armed Forces.
Gee I wonder why ??????????????????
Because Romney and Obama want an endless state of war so wall street and the banks can keep making money. Ron Paul wants to genuinely end war and I can vouch for troops wanting to come home. They took an oath to protect and uphold the constitution and now they're locked in an unconstitutional war. I mean seriously two wars for 10yrs what are we trying to be Rome? Didnt the read their history books and see how that ended.
I agree.
Obama supporters are locked into a complete state of denial.
Obama/Romney = smooth talking, shiny suits, flashy smiles and complete and utter liars.
George Orwell was right.
The Ministry of Truth has taken over.
Lies are Truth.
War is Peace.
Ron Paul would remove any protections that are in place and he would just let the free market run amock. Ron Paul is all about laisez-faire which means no government intervention in any of our markets and that is what led to the collapse and us needing to be here. Calvin Coolidge did this it led to Hoover and the market collapse. Read history and you will see that we need government intervention in our lives.
Fact of the matter, yes Obama received corporate donations, but nowhere near the Citizens United push of the Koch brothers that supports the right wing. All candidates of major parties do receive corporate money, but by far, Obama received far less corporate money than any opponents and you can bet your bottom dollar that Romney will receive all that money since Obama signed the Dodd Frank bill which is a step in the right direction, but not enough thanks to the intransigence of the republicans including Ron Paul who wants to deregulate everything, including the most basic things that protect you as a citizen.
People keep saying the free market led to the current problems. In a true free market, none of these banks would have gotten a bail out.
However, we do need some regulations though. For example, without any regulations, what will stop a company from dumping toxic waste into the rivers? These things happened before and that is why we came up with the idea of EPA etc. Doing away with all of it will just take us back. It is not practical. The one good thing about RP is his stance on wars. It's too bad no one else has the guts to talk about it. Obama is the same war president Bush was. In the long run, this militant attitude alone will cause a severe enough blow back that 99% will become 33%. At least then, with the reduced population, unemployment will not be a problem!
The one thing about Obama is there is an exit strategy in place. Yes we should bring home the troops, but any of the other realistic candidates would have put boots on the ground in Libya and it would have spun out of control again, but Obama was boxed in by entering into the biggest mess in history. The one problem is the Ron Paul would never ever spend any money to kick start the economy. Ultimately, I am in favor of the jobs bill and that is what this is about. Problem is with a militant idea of protesting, we go against the principles of Doctor King and Gandhi and resort to violence? That is way too dangerous The right wants to repeal the clean air act. Ask yourself if you want dirty air and water for your kids. It is a mild deterrent, but it needs more teeth. I live only miles away from Toms River where there were record numbers of cases of cancer from a polluted water supply. I feel that we need to support someone who actually has a plan to bring down unemployment. It is the congress that we need to be protesting. We should march on the congress instead of attacking someone that is moving towards fixing things.
I agree we need regulations to keep people in check. Until all human beings are mature enough to do the right thing, we need rules and regulations.
It is more than just Libya. We are constantly propping up dictators in the middle east while talking about democracy and freedom. Do you really believe people just hate our freedom or is it because we are doing something to piss them off? It didn't start with Obama so I'm not blaming him entirely for that. Our foreign policy has always been hypocritical and based on short term self interest.
We have done our best to stay out of the arab spring and allow it to do its thing. We helped the Libyans without putting a single boot on the ground. That is key. We are now fighting our wars by special operations in targeted ways. Be sure of one thing, if you put in a republican, we will never get out of Afganistan.
I think they are both pro war. I agree Obama seems to be slightly better. We need more time to know for sure.
Better at what selling us out to wall street and lying about his intentions to take us out of a war that he only further committed us to. If thats what you r saying then yes I too agree Obama is a better liar.
Wow sticking to the constitution that's scarey what would we do with out big brother and all his regulations to take care of us????Because look at how good theyve been to us so far......"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have"~ Thomas Jefferson
sounds like the Tea Party
It is pretty sad now of days that the masses are so ignorant to the foundation that was laid for this country to run by that the mere reference of the laws in which this land was meant to governed is considered a belonging to some obscure political movement. Thomas Jefferson is a founding father not a tea Party advocate. Maybe you want to pick up a book and study history a bit or are you so drunk on the Obama koolaid that you refuse to educate you self about our rights as Americans. For example right no we are exercising our right to freedom of speech. Wait thats in the constitution does that mean we're tea party?
Your faith in our federal government is disturbing.
OBAMA went out on the campaign selling LIES, LIES and MORE LIES.
He was funded up to the teeth by Wall St banks and went out and sold you hope and change.
My goodness do people on this site have stockholm syndrome or what?
STOP making excuses for LIARS and CRIMINALS.
You may not agree 100% with Ron Paul.
I don't.
He won't be able to achieve all he would like to just the same as Obama.
And a completely free market will never happen under his Presidency so what are you worried about?
BUT.
He will STOP illegal wars for oil that murder people.
And will reign in unnecessary bureaucracy.
And guess what - He's NOT a liar.
You may need government intervention in your life but so far the more power, control and taxpayer money the government has - the more they abuse it.
BOTH parties are corrupt. BOTH.
But the election will go ahead and I'd prefer an honest humble man who actually gives a damn than a LYING puppet for the banksters.
One aspect that OWS focuses on is money in politics and Wall St corruption.
Obama is the poster boy for that corruption.
Do you honestly and truly with all your heart and soul believe that Obama cares about the American people?
He is just an actor.
He reads scripts really really well.
That's it.
...best hope for starting another war, maybe?
I supported Obama. He became corrupted by the BIG money, like all the rest. Nevermind the Republican Congress. The BIG money got him.
The lesser of 2 evils is voting for the status quo. No way will I do that.
I'll vote for the candidate that runs on a platform of Election Reform. I would vote for Obama again when I see him donate his re-election treasure chest to the Treasury to pay down the national debt. In the mean time, I'm keeping my eye on Buddy Roemer.
if this movement becomes an elect obama movement or a party affiliated movement, than it is an epic fail...
By the way, Obama just sent US Special Forces into central Africa. Yay Nobel Peace Prize winner!
By the way, Ron Paul would actually cut war spending much quicker than that Obama fellow.
You have absolutely NO clue. There is no difference between Bush & Obama. Obama left almost all the Bush appointed officials in power ... So tell me how hes changed anything. Dont be so naive, Remember TV only tells you what they want you to know.
I disagree with the belief that Obama is a significantly 'lesser evil.' There are people who have documented his actions and come to the conclusion that he is little more than a neo-con.
Michael Hudson writes better than I so I will just point you here and suggest you take a look:
How Bankers use the Debt Crisis to Roll Back the Progressive Era http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article28656.html
Also, here is another, much lengthier condemnation. Basically, the idea is that the Democrats have embraced the "third way" method that promotes a type of lite-fascism as a way to counter the Republicans. Amusing since the concept of "third way" was literally the same language used during Mussolini's rise to power. This article from the Huffington Post analyzes the President's decisions from many different angles. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/symptoms-of-the-bushobama_b_930260.html
I'd be interested to hear if you still are a supporter of the President after reading these.
We should thank the Republicans for having such shitty candidates.
If you make OWS into something of the left, you disengage a large fraction of the population that is for change that can help transform the system into something that works to the benefit of all citizens.
The left-right paradigm is our enemy.
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watch out, what you just said is considered treason by the United states government. Not new just an Overhaul is better wording.
Okay, I agree we need a new republic. The question is, How?
No one in congress or in power is who we need. They have all been bought and paid for by Corporations. If you think otherwise you are jaded to the truth.
there really isn't any better choice but Obama, for president. The real issue is congress. and the overt cynical obstruction of the Republicans who actively serve the corporatocracy and then the spinelessness sold out introverted obtuseness of the Democrats who sell out their own constituents.
So far....the Obama admin has worked out great. We definitely need 4 more years of the current economic situation.
If Obama is the only choice....then we are in a world of hurt....for a very long time. OWS might as well pack-it-up and go home.
Your are a troll take you Obama BS somewhere else Obama is contrary to everything OWS stands for if he had done what he said instead of peddling lies to win an election we wouldn't be in this situation..... Pathetic and ridiculous attempt by his campaign team to try to break into this movement.
Really? Are you serious? Obama is the reason for OWS. He promised change, and guess what? We ARE witnessing change as we speak, txt, and communicate. He is the one that called Congress out, he is the one that opened a lot of OUR eyes as to what has happened to OUR country. Can you imagine how much more can be changed? Obama is only 1 person. He is the scape goat for Congress and the 1%. Did you know that before Obama presented the Build America Bonds, the hedge fund managers made a sweet deal with some major cities to invest in the Hedge fund market? Guess what? This has made major cities unable to access the monies, and in turn, the cities are broke! Now the cities are having to raise prices for water, sewer services. Do your homework before you start running your mouth. Help US and stop behaving like THEM!
You are funny if Obama was the one to open your eyes to anything then you should have been doing your homework a long time ago. He promised to close GetMo and stop the torture of prisoners he did not. He promised to bring our troops home from war instead he further committed us by adding more troop with a "surge" which did actually work temporarily but now all previous gains have been lost and we have more troops stuck in these endless war. "HELP US to stop behaving like THEM!" I assume them is the rich well lets look at your Robin Hood folk hero,Obamas, track record on the wealthy 1%. He promised to repeal the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest American, DIDN'T HAPPEN. He promised to phase out exemptions for higher earners, DIDN'T HAPPEN. He promised to sign a bill that forbid companies in foreclosure from giving executive bonuses,DIDN'T HAPPEN.He was also suppose to reduce earmarks to previous 1994 levels ,DIDN'T HAPPEN. He was going to enact windfall tax on profits made by oil companies, DIDN'T HAPPEN. No tax increases on families making $250k or less per year, DIDN'T HAPPEN. Wow sounds like he did a lot for the rich lets see why. Goldman Sachs contributed $1,013,091 to Obamas campaign, Wait didnt we bail them out? JPMorgan and chase contributed $808,799, Citigroup gave $736,771, Time Warner gave $624,618(can you say media bias) UBS gave $532,674, GE gave$529,855(wait isnt Obama trying to do a jobs bill with them can you say returning the favor?) and dont forget Morgan Stanley who gave $512,232 all among his top contributors. Also look into his cabinet and you will see how many of them are tied to wall street. But your right he is against wall street and big business he sent a clear message when he refused to prosecute former executives who caused the collapse. Oh and lets for get that the additional bail outs he has planned will only further put us into debt and make the federal Reserve richer..... But I do agree with you on one point he one of the reasons this protest happened because if would have done what he promised then we wouldnt have to be here out of desperation. But now he is changing message, yet again, and trying to use the OWS protests for political gain hopping the sheeple will believe his lies once again and go running.... Sorry Ill hurry up and wrap this up your Shepard is calling. Just indulge me one last point You are so adamant about praising Obama for the Build America Bonds that were created when they are in direct violation of a supreme court ruling in 1895 which stated that the U.S. government had no power under the constitution to tax interest on municipal bonds.You must understand that the tax-exempt municipal bond market has helped state and local governments raise capital for local projects independent of the federal government and its often fickle agenda. This ability to raise capital has played a significant role in maintaining the balance between federalism and states’ powers, a central tenet on which this nation is founded.So be it as it may that you might see some short term positive results I refuse to produce such results at the cost of violation the constitution which your president seems to have no problem doing.What you also must realize is the program, as it is currently structured, allows local issuers to borrow at lower interest rates than its economic fundamentals would otherwise allow and is paid for by taxpayers across the nation costing American taxpayers $1.6 billion in 2010 alone. So in conclusion although I can respect your passion I must say it is your intractable zealot like defense of your false profit that I find so disturbing. You and all the others who have let Obamas silver tongue lobotomize you please take your own advise I believe it was"Do your homework before you start running your mouth"
I disagree. Occupy Wall Street needs to take out the system in place now. This is not just a few bad apples, everything, from Bankers, Politicians, Companies, and the Media flow into this and are destroying the country. If OWS is to succeed, we need to topple the regime in place and instill a new American Republic, based off of the Constitution. From there, we can move forward in political idealogy, but you cant fix whats completely destroyed. http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-cannot-be-a-republican-or-democratic-movement/
It amazes me how little people seem to care about the constitution. To me it seems anti American or maybe they have just have grown so accustom to living with a twisted version of it.... Not me Ill take my constitution any day where can we find a president willing to support the constitution???
Ron Paul. but it takes more than one person to undermine the essential elitist control of our country. Corruption is a real thing that spreads everywhere in our government that is not something that only Russia deals with. We, the people of the United States, are under the most dismay of corruption than any other country!
Out with all of the old, in with the new. We should not even be waisting our time or breath talking about any of the old establishment. They are done! If there is not a new election we would have done all this for naught. They will say" ok now their little temper tantrum is over" and they will be back to business as usual. We shouldnt even call our new government by the same names or titles. No hierarchy in the new peaceful, clean and honest nation
More wars!
Who doesn't want to support war not ending the war in Afghanistan or going into Pakistan? Who doesn't want to wage war on innocent Libyans and send troops to Uganda? Who doesn't love bombing Yemen? I know I do! And, how about that telecom immunity? I, for one, think illegal phone taps rock! And, the PATRIOT Act? Well, screw liberty because we're fighting a war on terror! Oh, and, fuck those people caught in illegal foreclosures. I support the president trying to force the states to settle with the banks who engaged in fraud. And, those damn pot smoking cancer patients. I was upset when Obama said he wouldn't go after them but I'm now relieved that he changed his mind. I also think the Fast and Furious plan of selling weapons to Mexican drug cartels was awesome. I mean if the Mexicans are going to slaughter each other and kill border patrol agents, we may as well be in control, right?
Fuck yeah, O-BA-MA!
OWS Organizers Blast MoveOn
http://www.readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/7898-focus-ows-organizers-blast-moveon
Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement “We Will NOT Be Co-Opted”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/welcome-to-the-ows-99-movement-%E2%80%9Cwe-will-not-be-co-opted%E2%80%9D.html
lol
Yeah, I mean really, WTF?
Amen to that!!!!!!
hi the people is Represents the system , so the problem is did the system Able to finsh people problems , for instance there is role says the market problems solved by The market mechanism not by state , but Economic crises Proved that in all crises the state Intervened to solve the crises , thats point to failed role , what i want to say to u that dont look to obama just look to the role fit or not fit TO Applicate
Obama is really only one piece of the equation here. It ultimately stops and starts with congress. The problem is that the right wing is so unified with only one purpose to defeat Obama that they demonize him in the media with the hopes and republican will win the presidency so they can pass their agenda. Fortunately for us, we can run the Republicans out of congress and out of town come 2012.
My grasp of politics is narrow. The two party system does favor either Republican or Democrat, yes? This whole protest is seeking reform. Idealistic, but not realistic. Would a free-party system not benefit this country more? Instead of grouping potential presidents into a political party, following a system purely based on candidate ability and beliefs?
The problem with promoting a third party (that would need a very different set of ideals to be there in the first place) is that you need majority rule in the House in order to get anything done that your party wants to get done. That's over 200 election victories.
The tea party were pretty successful. They got a bunch of their guys running as republicans to win a bunch of seats and cause the clusterfuck we see now in congress. In some cases they even booted out incumbent republicans to get the tea party republican in there.
Unfortunately yes, but as seen in the last election, Florida elected Rubio as their senator. Charlie Christ lost the republican primary and he is a moderate that often sides with the democrats so the tea party came in and used Rubio as their messenger. Then when Christ ran as an independent. That pulled away many democratic voters from the democrat. My belief is that we need a populist movement on the left that controls the primary process and controls the elections the way the tea party had done in the mid terms. Ultimately, there are several factions in the two parties and the tea party created one that influenced the elections. obviously for the worst. If you want a third party characteristic, it has to be within the primary system, otherwise it will never defeat the money machine that both major parties have.
My vote is "No confidence, no trust in any of the above." If they're not crooks, then they're in bed with crooks, and their credibility needs a ton of improvement.
There is no "lesser" evil, and Obama lied. He isn't the change to be believed in, we are.
Read your profile and you are correct, so bug your congressman to pass the jobs bill at least to start rebuilding this country and getting so many people at least to have a job. The plan is on the table, both sides want it from a voter's standpoint, but congress refuses to pass or even debate it.
Congress is the enemy mostly
My congresscritter, the only one who might lend an ear, is Ron Paul. The other one is a prick.
Question is, would Paul back a jobs bill, and would it get kidnapped and fucked hard by GOPpers who don't want a jobs bill to succeed?
Ron Paul would never spend a dime of government money for anything, end of story, even if it benefits you. Ron Paul is part of the cut spending crowd that favors maintaining the tax breaks for the top 1%. Do ya think it is too much to ask a wealthy person to give back after being able to game the system for years simply to put people in the country that made him rich back to work!!!! UGH!
I know. Can't count on the prick either, he's as bad if not worse. I know, I'll back the sheer force of will that is the Occupy movement, that's why I'm here.
As a friend put it, the Occupy movement is a mighty and fierce dragon, staring down the bull of wall st., and the bull is cowering. :) DC cowers as well, cause the bull has commanded them for too long.
Yes, no doubt, I have to serve those bastards at my job in the food service industry. Even though I wanted to, I never spat in their food.
I can never tell you what a pleasure it was to fix Rick Perry's TV set. Because it wasn't pleasurable. Damn what an arrogant, impatient jerk! He tried to stiff me on the bill too.
That was before he became a big shot governor, BTW.
Yep, and lets face it. He cut education for your kids and has the lowest percentage of insured people in the nation. Dang shame, good environment for corporations, bad for wage earners. Top job growth, but most of em are government jobs and this is coming from someone who says he is conservative. Its all about who his friends are.
Well, I don't have any kids. Shooting blanks, so to speak. I'm doing the kids I don't have a favor by not having them in this fucked up world. He he.
Larry you are acting like a brain washed troll How can you disrespect the movement by posting this garbage. Go back to campaign headquarters with you head hung low and tell them no bonus check for you no one in OWS bought it.... Sorry pal I know its a tough economy maybe you can just quit and protest with us. No Obama pay but being able to look at yourself in the mirror priceless.
The Democrats could nominate someone other than Obama.
Good luck. As you know, there is nobody that will run against him on our side. My belief is yes we can do better as a party, but the fact of the matter is that he is more on our side than what meets our eyes. He is this time really running against congress like Harry Truman needed to do.
Obama fooled us before with his weasel words of change and hope, and a bogus promise of reforms. He didn't make good, so why should he be believed now?
Credibility. Obama let his drop into the toilet.
Same for the rest of those vipers.
You can only change what congress allows and since there is the filibuster rule in the senate, it takes 60 votes to pass any legislation, so the vast majority of Obama's platform was shot down by a senate rule. Remember that there are three branches of the government. Would you rather elect a republican and see them appoint even more conservatives to the highest court in the land? Any more in the supreme court and you can say good bye to any checks and balances. BTW, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster and you will see clearly why Obama could not keep his promises when people are brainwashed to elect people like the Tea Party to any seats in the legislative branch. They are the true enemy, not Obama although his voice was not loud enough and he compromised way too much with the other side. This movement is about making it so he can do what we voted for in 08. Now we need to give him his majorities in the congress.
Bull. Either Obama has no spine, or he is in cahoots. Fact is if he wanted to bring the troops home, stop corporate welfare he could. If he wanted a single payer health care option, he could have. All he would have had to do was continue with the momentum he got elected with,(like Bush did with his "mandate" and the people for change who supported him would have mobilized and applied pressure for him. Thus, the make-up of the congress would have shifted. This would have taken a backbone, like the one either Roosevelt had. Instead, he decided to become the media darling, "the moderate", and continued down the same empirical corporate path Junior, Clinton, Senior, Reagan, etc have been guided by. He did not do what I elected him to do. He did not deliver on his promises. He should be fired. And we should hold all our representatives to this standard. Instead, the Duma has a higher turnover ratio than our Senate. Vote the fuckers out. Give 'em unemployment!!!!
Fire them? They're already hired, just not by the people that voted them in. They're working for moneyscum, which is why we're here.
Oh yeah. I forgot! ;)
Bush = Obama = General Electric = Jeffrey Immelt =
President Eisenhower's description of the "Industrial Military Complex":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_II0H7X5O4&feature=related
Scary True !!!
Do not pledge allegiance to Obama, Bush, et al.
You protest Wall Street, yet Obama is the biggest recipient of Wall Street money...EVER. makes sense to me.
After he received the money, he did pass Dodd Frank and wall street is crying like a baby over that.
What is in the Dodd Frank bill? Does it really help fix things?
It was a start, in truth, the bill should have included a repeal of this bill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act
This is what we should be fighting for, the repeal that Gramm proudly touts as one of his great legislative accomplishments. You will never see a republican try to repeal this bill and add any regulation to the financial markets.
I don't understand how companies like Goldman Sachs, that gave the president over a million dollars for his campaign are going to stand by and let him create regulations that will hurt them.
Companies like Goldman know unwittingly how to generate a profit from any sort of regulation. Remember one thing, Paulson was Bush's treasury secretary. The amount that Obama received from Goldman was inconsequential compared to the Citizens United push on the right. Rest assured, Goldman felt a bit betrayed when reform was passed and that means that you can be certain that the Obama opponent will be receiving that contribution. Goldman seemed to believe that his policies would benefit them, but today alone, Goldman posted a loss for the third quarter and they are blaming Obama. In fact, they are fearful even more of Elizabeth Warren if she wins that senate seat held by wall street crony Scott Brown. It is those members of congress that we need to protest, the ones that blocked any taxation on the wealthy, the ones that block any spending that will bring us jobs, the ones that bring up abortion as an issue instead of working on the problem at hand which is us and our needs.
It is the reason banks are now charging monthly fees for ATM/debit cards. It is a fact of life that businesses pass on the costs to consumers, but someone who never ran a business or had any part in a business would not understand that.
that is not the point, he was paid by Wall Street and to assume he receive no benefit would be sticking your head in the sand.
The People are our best hope