Forum Post: Not One Word From Christian Right. So Shut Up!
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 5, 2011, 4:19 a.m. EST by MagPie22
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Not a word uttered from Benny Hinn, John Hagee and all the other crooks in the christian right wing. Did they forget the revolutionary Jesus? (If Jesus even existed but that is another story).
Fuck those who say nothing and boycut the whole rotten bunch of pentacotals and right wing christians.
Occupy Christianity
Christianity was and is a hoax.
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I am a pastor's wife. We support occupy. In fact, we are heavily involved in the working groups of our local movement.
Please do not be as judgmental and hateful as those you claim to disagree with. It is hypocritical.
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This guy is not an OWS person. he is a Provocateur. Please ignore him. We welcome those of all faiths who are peaceful.
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The war in the Middle East has nothing to with God, and everything to do with money.
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What the heck are you talking about? Do you even know?
I am not judgemental. I have choice. I choose to believe Benny Hinn and such are scammers greedy as hell wanting only to deceive. They are no better than a salesman selling sand in Sahara.
Yes, people will believe otherwise until they are educated. Education = knowing better. When knowing better you have real choice. The church gives no choice except to pay at the exit.
I am glad you support OWS and the church should have done this years ago. Why did the christian church not occupy especially because they have power. The millions of christians should be at OWS and should start to speak of revolution and not THE END TIMES and all that fear-talk.
Did any preacher forsee/prophecies OWS? No. These preachers are hoax's who knows nothing more than any man on earth.
And now what do the preachers do? They fear revolution so they fear Jesus and God! Wau. Take back your church. It is your church and you have every right to occupy it. The church = everything. Not just a building. In fact Jesus told not to enter the buildings of the jews. You have the right to walk up to the priest and tell him he is wrong if he is wrong and if he calls his bodyguards you know he was a fraud.
There have always been priests alongside revolutions.
Benn Hinn does know better, he is just evil.
The Bible does not support the belief of the end times, that is a fabricated.
What on Earth does that prove? Did you prophesy it? This is the most illogical argument I have ever heard.
That is not 'what preachers do'. That is what SOME preachers do. Just like SOME black people do. and SOME gay people do. and SOME white people do. and SOME military do. and SOME whatever demographic you want to fill in here.
Jesus did not say not to enter temples. You are very unaware of what the Bible teaches. Instead of spreading information that you have been told, you should do some actual reading on the subject.. like instead of spreading what you think the Bible teaches, read it first.
Interpretation:
A church is a congregation of people and has nothing to do with a psysical building hence Jesus could never have said to people to enter a temple which is a psyical building. Nor leave it and not enter it.
If you are in The Church it is not possible to enter it nor exit it. Church is in you and not outside of you.
Example: you can neither enter nor leave The Universe and likewise you can not leave or enter The Church which is God and that is even if you are an atheist!! No pun intended.
But the people in power build huge houses and psysical buildings to store stolen gold and stolen art etc. and money and made them luxurious and told people to pay tith to the priest which is a hoax so these churhes where indeed not temples of prayer but houses of greed and earthly wealth.
http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-the-church.html
I believe that nowhere in the bible is it mentioned that Jesus wanted or told people to enter a house and thereby a psysical building.
In fact by saying to get out of the temple Jesus is actually saying NOT to enter a church which is psyical if indeed selling of products is taking place.
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all of them who sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
By saying this Jesus is in fact saying to people not to enter the temple if they want to sell and buy. Enter for prayer is Okay he is saying.
Now in any temple and/or house I know of including the ministries in USA they sell products like books, pamplets, DVD's etc and they even sell spiritual guidance by also having to buy products such as GOD Channel etc. so selling is going on in the temple and Jesus said to those doing so do NOT enter the temple if that is your intent.
Church is anywhere in the forest or anywhere where people join together and can indeed also be in a house which is psysical but not if they sell and buy products directly or indirectly.
I know of no church that does not sell a product when having a sermon and prayer.
The words of the revolutionary has been misinterpretated and misused in such an extend that todays churches are nothing more than temples of mammon and temples of greed and stealing. The people in power really skrewed up the revolutionaries words and has told lies for the past 1950 years.
PS. Benny Hinn is a big huge lier and he is so good at it that he makes millions of dollars and making it very nice for himself indulging in lawish mansions, expensive hollydays, wining and dining while he pretends to be smarter than real sheep or even real ants - no, I think ants are even smarter than Benny Hinn unless smart is being a crook and a lier then he is #1, numero uno, ultimate, the best and noone can overshine him. He is in fact so good he should be awarded a prize for being so good but then again he awrds the prize to himself though money and he and his friends are laughing all the way. I think he is very very smart and if not smart then he is very very stupid. Either or. My wife said to me: "Why don't you just do the same... he is very smart, right?". I had no answer for my wife who is usually much smarter than me when it comes to these matters.
If you know of no church that does not do that, then you have not been to many churches.
God not only told us to build temples, he gave us the exact dimensions of the altars and the vestments of priests.
Also, Christ did not say not to enter the temple, he was a Rabbi! He spent lots of time in the temples. The reason that he kicked the money changers out is because people were not making real sacrifices of their own animals, they were buying animals to sacrifice. It was corruption, and he wanted the corruption out of his Father's house. The very fact that he referred to it as His Father's house proves that he was not against the building in general, simply opposed to the practices that were taking place.
However, I agree that The Church is the people, and not the building. THe Church is people, the Temple is the building.
That is why Orthodox Christians call their buildings Temples to Missions.
Just because there are some people who are corrupt does not make it a corrupt system.
Buildings are fine. Churches as buildings are fine. They do cost labour. So who pays? People pay. Hence the church pays. This is the dilemma. Who comes first, the church or the people or the temple? And who actually pays the cost?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon's_Temple
Solomons Temple was a building and was build prior to Jesus. Jesus had another idea of what a temple was suppose to be.
If you build a temple you adore and worship the temple and not God and usually the priest will stand high above the people speaking i.e. the priest is above the church which is God and I have sure you can depicture this scenario.
So, in essense we need to get back to the roots of social freedom, social welfare, social justice and freedom from temples. Temples has no purpose and are empty shells to store gold and silver and christianity has resolved to using the temples as power-structures to oppress people (God) and they do it till this day today.
Jesus was very very clear on this revolutionary idea and surely he was killed for it as we know.
Surely the temples in Egypt and elsewhere are wonderful and we can adore them as archetectural delights. But not as churches according to Jesus if, and only if, they are used for selffishness, selling and buying which is the case in every single temple all around the world without exception.
The pyramids are the worst example of a temple but they are amazing as constructions and mans cleverness.
When most people want to visit God they go to a temple and they listen to the priest etc.. People like this because it gives them a focus point. A purpose and an idea to see and follow. Vision is good for the understanding for most people so they travel far and near to see what they can not actual see. Namely God within them and around them in every single flower and atom... and temple. Some can but most can not. This has been used to construct temples by Benny Hinn and such to collect wealth from uneducated people and Benny Hinn should be the educator but he does not educates the revolutionary words of Jesus.
Temples are made from stone and mortar the very essence of what we can see anywhere. I think a temple is very lovely and very amazing but I see mans own interpretation of the temple of worship for the lack of better.
So Jesus knew this and he told the money lenders to exit the temple and I suppose you could say he was also saying they could enter if they did no make commerce in the temple for own winnings only. But nobody did and ever since Jesus dies temples have been used to sell and buy and make commerce.
Many people like to have a focus-point because it makes it easier to... focus. Hence they enter a temple. And some like to point their face towars Mekka and chrsitians likes to raise their arm saluting... What are they actually saluting? They salute the alter, the priest and the temple and worship whatever they worship may it be more money, more health, more endurance, more love etc.. They wish and pray for the existance of their continued focus-points such as love, money, a better car, better house, more sallary etc..
Israel Indicts 4 in 'Brother of Jesus' Hoax and Other Forgeries
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/30/international/middleeast/30mideast.html?_r=1
Well, who knows... maybe even the Bible is a hoax and forgeri. Perhaps even the temples are a hoax as well as is Benny Hinn. If, and I know he is, Benny Hinn is a hoax so is his temple and his Bible.
while i agree with you about the right wing christians and maybe even religion itself i think it is a mistake to drive away mainstream christians. if there are none in this movement it will be a small movement and fail. is that what you want?
No, I do not want that. What I try to say is, that christians such as those mentioned are suppose to be for the people and for Jesus and for change and for revolution. And hence for OWS. But they are shutting up now! I know why.... These guys, John Hagee and such scum, are in the 1% and now look around them and see what they where suppose to do for years.
Take away the emporers clothes from these greaseballs of priest and fools (Benny Hinn and such) and see what you are left with? Nana, rien, niente, 0, zero, nothing. They are shutting up now where they should be on the streets like Jesus was and should be in Wall Street. But the freaseballs are IN Wall Street themselves so fuck them.
Occupy Christianity the right wing greaseball religious hooligans poisoning our spirits with lies and greed. Do not only take out your money from the banks but take out your mothers and sisters from these fat sloppy churches saying one thing but doing another.
Occupy every church and pull down the wall of Jerico and rebuild the church to house poor people and people with real needs. Take out the money from the current churches and you are left with an empty shell.
I loath Benny Hinn and John Hagee and these types and I wish occupation of their ugly faces and their ugly spirits will soon hapen so we even see a revolution in the churh... any church. Bhuddist, muslim or hindu I do not care. It is all the same. Education and more education for the next 150 years until people undertsand the true value of real sence as opposed to non sense and understand that people are P.E.O.P.L.E. and not machines and understand that greed is ugly in every word of its meaning and takes us far below any animal I know of. I would rather be a rat in a sewer than be a person in this fucked up world. Really. I hope I turn into a bird if I am right and if I am wrong let the punishments be that I beome a rat.
you make the same mistake many evangelicals and radical moslems make - you label and classify the "others" as sinners - as evil. I have some serious problems with religion and what is done in the name of religion. But religion is not God. True men of God such as MLK and Gandhi would stand with OWS - but would never attack like this. I share your rant against Hagee and Hinn - but painting a religion as a hoax does not build brotherhood or understanding. Do you seriously believe there is not a single Pentacostal helping us in Liberty Park?
The religious right, unfortunately for them as well as us, has been trained since birth to do what they do. It would be wonderful to open their eyes to the truth of God and humanity. Your words did not help anyone.
Sometimes ranting is the first response to insanity. And our society is insane.
After than we can calm down as do I. I even believe there shall be space and room for rantings by Benny Hinn and such but please give more real choices through unbiased education.
There are probably a few pentacostals here and there and they are supportive. But where the h... are these sleesebags of priest and high screamers today. They should be marching high and low and should be on the streets where people are.
Education. Educate the people because they know not what they do not know and so they have no free choice. With OWS and Arab Spring it is helping. We need the whole crowd out there and all people are with you at least the 99%. But my God (!) please hurry up and trhow panplets and get inside peoples homes to educate all to see the simple light at the end of the tunnel.
We the people have been and still are oppressed and walk in chains. I know Jesus would have been at Zucotti park and he would have rejoyced.
Adjust or create a new real church of people standing together in utmost forgiveness and harmony thorugh education and MORE education. I can not say that word enough.... E.D.U.C.A.T.I.O.N
It has taken me 45 years to learn what the school should have taught me in 3 years!! Damn school. I loath them but I love them... get my drift. I really want to help them back on the right track. Our track, the peoples track, Our personal track.
People want
sleep in peace
food of relatively good quality
toilets that are clean and nice
that is the basics. Then we can talk about love and iPhones...
Millions of people around the world do not have these things and we in tthe west have the technology and brains to give this. We the people that is. Not corporations and politicians. They are no better than a greedy bunch of worms. I will forgive the worms if they take our education otherwise they can go back into their hole and a bird may eat them raw if the bird pleases. It will benefit the bird I know.
Babies and children are a product of what they see and do and so it is time to enduce new and better ideas and give hope and wealth back to the people not in form of money but in the form of value and talents to build a better world where children can walk fearless and where adults can speak and talk without being ashamed of being robbed by a bank or a corporation blindly.
Reuse all that is written like the constitution, the bible, MLK, Ghandi and you have a perfect world but we need to soirt out the weed such as politicians and banks and corruption killing us all.
I have wanted this to happen for 15 years and I am so happy it finally is happening. I just hope we are not being hijacked while good intentions flourish. A day where the utmost policestate takes over. That is the day I will become a worm and dig myself into earth and I will stay there. My and our time here on earth as people is so short. Shorter than we can imagine. Our timespan as individuals is so short but we must make an impact. Stand together as V and force our way though the barriers with knowlege and good behaviour and let us start to educate our children from day one and not only give them a better world but a future.
The Truth Underlying Christianity Is NOT a hoax. They took something pure and true and re-wrote it THEIR way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr
Justin lived shortly after Jesus was crusifed and wrote about Jesus.
Many of the stories in the Bible is written in such a way that we do not understand the meaning today and hence we have many who interpret. Making wine from water and such might be meanings of other things than litteral and the pure and true is very hard to see but the writings might contain something devine...
...however I have wondered many times why Jesus (God) could not write it down or hand down a manuscript which was there for us to see and read and understand 2000 years later. A devine God could have done that but did not and gave it to man to write the whole story out of thin air and pressure from the romans, jews and other sects.
I think some people knows what is pure and not a hoax but I think gave us what we have and Paradise is right hear but man has screwed it all up very good hence made a hoax of it all and thinned it out so the purities have become filthy with mans stupid words comming from greed and selfishness.
If indeed a man was named Jesus I believe evidence would have been left behind by God not to confuse anyone.
When it comes to false bullshit... religion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_s73rBBJcc
Christianity is a religion.
Separation of Church and State...lets keep it that way. If they were saying something against OWS you would say what I just said.
nice job we did, we got "in god we trust" on money and bibles in court... go figure
Separation in every word of the sence? Religious organisation collect money which is based on debt and they pay zero tax so are they separated. No, sir. They are as infiltrated in the state and more so than ever. By taking state borrowed money which in essense comes from tax payers they are collecting state bonds but are keeping it all for themselves.
Churches in the USA and elsewhere are as corrupt as anything and are in on the heist.
Infiltrated? People are in the state, people have religious views, people may or may not attend a religious organization. Everyone has a religion, even if it is religiously not believing in anything, they still have a religion. People can corrupt and can be prosecuted, that has nothing to do with what organization or religion they belong to. Why not just get rid of all nonprofits in that case? (sarcasm)
Well, the pentacostal chursh is far from non profit and all churhes has profit.
Part of the problem is living in a world where lies are presented as truths. It fucks peoples minds up and creates every single problem we see around us (including advertising).
I think I went to a Pentecostal church when I was young, don't remember anything about it. I understand the sentiment, but every church isn't like that, there are many that can not even keep a preacher on salary. You just hear and see more about the bigger groups. I've walked out of churches that preached about giving them money, never to return.
I was in Bangkok a few month ago. I saw a blind woman sitting there on the sidewalk. looking really sad and poor. My wife gave her about 2 dollars (Thai Bath) in coins and the woman just lit up and looked very happy and started picking up the coins from the tin-can.
That was a ood way to give I believe. Never mind giving to the church because the church is everywhere even on the sidewalk in Bangkok.
Next time I return I will probably do the same. I will not give money to a priest or a church in the sense of a real physical building. This way of iving directly is so much more direct and it is given to the one who really needs it here and now.
I know there are many churches and many preachers and some of them can not keep a sallary if any at all. But I am sure they have dreams of a fat bonus and later a nice sallary until they give up.
Sallary = salt... now you mention it. No pun intended. Salt was very valuable but today priests wants money. In temples in Bangkok you usually give rise, eggs and food in general but also money. Hmmmm...
The preachers at churches I go to have full time jobs and are preachers. If they make any money from preaching it is from people in the church giving it to them after the service. We're called Primitive Baptists. Like I said, some are on salary, but they preach in larger cities where the church as a whole can afford it.
According to my understanding, a church is Gods house. Hence it is not possible to enter or exit Gods house because it is everywhere. You are in it and can not leave it nor enter it. Therefor a church-building is not absolute nessasary.
The preachers at Zucotti Square and in general OWS-people are in the church and they preach and you or a preachers can prech anywhere and you do not need a sallary to preach. A priest wanting or taking a salalry is making money and is thereby selling his service and Jesus thrwe those out of the temple and thereby out of the house of God. Only God can remove you from the church.
If they can affrod a sallary fine. But they are paying for a service hence they are not in the house of God.
Jesus was very clear about this.
The papist Church is infiltrated by Jews, the protestants and the wacky Evangelical are also Infiltrated by jews. jews are money-lenders and Usurers...No wonder.
Jews are pretty smart people. But they are so smart that everyone else suffers. The Jews have assets today and they have total control. That is the ashkenazi jews that is.
Government and money does not go hand in hand very well. How can you govern wihout money I ask?
Now you lost us. Keep posts like this to yourself please
You will never be needed. Conservatives are the most stupid people in America.
Summary of OWS is complete failure.
You are poorly informed. Do you consider the truth to be rude? Have you considered that ignorant, uninformed people make poor choices. 4,000,000 families are on the street because they made a terrible choice for a mortgage. Being foreclosed as the result of a teaser loan is stupid. Taking a huge mortgage with low income that they lied about was called liar loans. That's stupid by the victim and its criminal fraud by all the bankers who need to be locked up. But they all make their political bribes to prevent any criminal penalties.
That's why people hire lawyers, accountants, doctors, and consultants to guide them on the best path. The OWS protest that refuses to use the word BRIBE is controlled by the trance they are all in. The OWS protest is protecting the same criminals they are protesting. OWS refuses to understand this fact.
Those are successful people. OWS is a total failure, unless sitting in a park for 5 weeks is a success. To even consider that to be a success proves my point. That is a fantasy, fairy tale you tell yourselves.
Well, social welfare and taking back the country was Jesus, the revolutionary, message, as is OWS. So Occupy those who do not act as they speak. Just like occypying Wall Street who do not act as they speak when buying/selling stock namely to add value to the people of the country via adding value to companies making new and better products. You see, the stock market is a scam used by the very rich to take added value back to themselves only not distributing wealth to the common good and benefitting all people except hading out breadcrumbs as social welfare money and unimplyment benefits.
Why should I keep this to myself when the US constitution mentions God and why should Gods socalled people not be frontrunners in the OWS movement? Because they are the top %1 scamming the constitution and robbing not only money via zero tax but also robbing people via fraud and deception.
I'd like to recommend that you read the bible before you go proclaiming Jesus' message. I've been reading some of that lately, and the actual text doesn't seem to be anything near what you've just typed here. Maybe you should actually read what Jesus has to say?
In fact The Bible does say so. Even God said so. Like giving what God wants (love) and money to the emperor (king and government).
Jesus kicked out the monelenders (jewish "banks").
The levite priest wanted 10% in tax. Not God. God wanted love as mentioned.
Please tell me where the Bible is says otherwise. If it does, and it does, taken out of cntext naturally.
All three religions originating in the Middle East are
And originated from the Gods Amen and Ra in Egypt hence we say... "Amen" and Ra is the sun hence we still have SUNday and many logos use the sun so all religions are based on many gods and christianity is a copy of the Koran and the Koran is based on Amen and Ra.
Dualistic religion with the eagle fighting in the Roman Empire having a left wing and a right wing!
So a hoax from start to end.
Occupy Christianity (and religion)
And why would religion be issued in the United Nations human rights declaration? Because religion is a drug making people sleep. UN was created after Nazi germany in the light of creating one new world order where all is controlled by not two wings but one body!
Take back your own REAL Gods and stop believing money has value when in fact every single dollar you have is made on debt and has no value whatsoever except enslaving you.
Give God love (!!!) and the emperor what he wants namely money. Read the Bible on this topic.
I am not religious and I am not christian because it is a hoax. I do however try to occupy using words but I must realize it is hard to tell people the real truth because of cognitive denial of the masses. Wake up time. Take the pill of truth and open your eyes and the world becomes clear as day and you can walk in peace and see the scam taking place in every corner of the world.
Right.. except that 'sun' and 'son' are only the same in English (in case you didn't know, neither the Bible nor the Quran were written in English). Nice try there, zeitgeist.
Exactly. However sunnentag (german) means what? Sun's day.
The English noun Sunday derived sometime before 1250 from sunedai, which itself developed from Old English (before 700) Sunnandæg (literally meaning "sun's day"), which is cognate to other Germanic languages, including Old Frisian sunnandei, Old Saxon sunnundag, Middle Dutch sonnendach (modern Dutch zondag), Old High German sunnun tag (modern German Sonntag), and Old Norse sunnudagr (Danish and Norwegian søndag, and Swedish söndag). The Germanic term is a Germanic interpretation of Latin dies solis ("day of the sun"), which is a translation of the Greek heméra helíou.[2] The p-Celtic Welsh language also translates the Latin "day of the sun" as dydd Sul.
So again we see education is needed.
Surely the Bible was not written in english. Did I say so? Now, english is partly derived from latin and also in part danish and other lanuages.
Son and Sun are absolutely not the same. Pertersson = The son of peters. A son as in an infant and not in sun as solar as in star. However star = sun hence we say a halo around saints and Jesus which symbolises power and The Sun and and hence lifegiving and devine. So even if son and Sun are not the same they can be said to have the sun as a symbol for the son of God namely Amen Ra (Ra = sun god) and Ra had sons namely people hence son and sun comes together.
But son and sun does not mean the same.
Son and sun is not the same in english.
The bible and the koran are copies of other older text namely from egyptian way back from the kings in Egypt governing the Sun god. And they had other gods. Then came Jesus (if we say he existed) and said there is only one god and the kings and the romans and the jews killed him. Why? The money makers like the priest wanted many gods to keep business going as usual. One god for each item in the world and each item needed a god and priest would not be unemployd.
So right up til this day it all fits in he bigger scheme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son
Bin Laden... son of Ladens MacDonalds... son of Donalds etc
Son = Sun = FALSE
And in old hebrew son and sun has nothing to do with each other directly.
I do not believe in zeitgeist. I believe in numourous truths making it highly plausible that the absolute truth might be highly likely this or that. If the probability is higher for this, then this must be the mostly truth. Until it is shifted. The more we know the more we can debunk and the more we get to the core of the absolute. Like what is a tomato? It is a vegetable in famility with the potato. No... it is atoms connected together though electrons.
I am more a beiever in science but even science can be wrong so even science gives no absolutes. This is also why the court systems we have today do not work and should be occupied.
Also, a halo is art added to religious drawings.. it is not in the Bible. By the way I have a MA in Religious History.
The halo is not mentioned in the bible. Good. I knew that. So halo is an adon and a hoax. Looks nice in gold etc. and in art but basically later symbolizes The Sun = The God Sun. A disc/circle is seen as devine and eternal.
Circles/discs are also seen in flags and Hitler used the circle in his Nazi flag depicting the cross and the Sun. When we combine it way back from Amen Ra up until this day we even see that railtracks has the same width as chariots had during the roman empire. That is not too bad. But the corrupt and the top %1 and the banks have taken these symbols to them and have used religion and christianity to deceive us to confuse us so we do not know right from wrong and gladly pay rents and go into debt because we are confused.
"God Save America" - sure. And save the banks. God who is The Sun can not protect america unless america introduced windmills and more solar power. Pun intended...
No, debt forgiveness is the central theme of the gospel.
And do christian countries forgive debt? Noop. They just lend more to the indebted.
Just because there are corrupt people in power, does not mean that the system is in itself corrupt.
Indeed. But the intention of the system is being misused by people and so the system becomes corrupt by misinterpreting the intentions of the system and the law.
Intention is keyword and far too many misuse tthe misinterpretate the system for short term golas and benefitting only a very few people.
Look at the intentions and you will find that the system has overturned the system to become something very differerent than intended.
Time to shut down the system when people are misusing it too much. The system is no longer valid and needs to be refined so to avoid corruption from people who do not follow the intentions of the law.
The Bible wasn't written in Latin either. Try again.
It was. It has been written in many languages. Try again. Also old hebrew. But later adding to it in other languages and to this day this goes on by applying modern english.
Did you know that the Greenland bible mentions seals and not sheap? Nobody knew what sheap was in Greenland so adding seals was better. This is a hoax naturally and is added in another language because in old hebrew they had no idea what a seal was and had no word for it (I believe but I may be wrong on this one).
Of course it has now bee translated into many languages. However, it was written in Greek- they were Hellenists.
The old testament was written in Hebrew. The New Testament in Greek.
Perhaps but that was then for the original manuscripts. Not The Bible we know today. It is written in many languages and translated numourous times and lots of stuff has been added which is not in the original manuscripts.
Some (one (the book of Thomas?)) original manuscripts has even been left out because it did not fit with the money lenders version of manipulation.
And Old Hebrew and Old Greek I belive. Not modern day hebrew and greek.
What language did the romans speak...?
At every sermon I have attended (!) I even hear many new interpretations and addons. And in writing too like in pamplets and books. Most of it from the words of the priests is rubbish.
Protestants ad and interpret. I have read the Bible in Greek. Many of the things that 'Christians' believe is not in the Bible, but that does not make the Bible in error, it makes fallible people in error.
Good point.
The other day I say TinTin by Steven Spilberg.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0983193/
Here is the original:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Tintin
Seing the movie from 2011 I realized it was a forgeri from the original. An attemt to copy the orginal. But then I asked myself if I should see TinTin the movie from 2011 as a standalone product and I could see it in that light as being Okay. Not good and not very bad.
It is in the eyes of the beholder... so to speak.
My point is, that The Bible can be seen as stand alone and if people believe it it so be it. However I do believe education is needed to eliminate no free choices so to give absolute free choice.
People and children might watch tinTin the movie 2011 and believe that is the original and they might never have read the original and see the movie as the best and and if they read the original would maybe find it not to be the original in fact. The copy is better than the original so to speak.
Lack of real open minded education makes for many problems around the world. Including the teachings of priests who knows no better than what they know and that is the problem. And most people like to stay there and not open their eyes.
The school system should be occupied from the bottom up to ensure that education comes even above the standard of harward and the best private schools we know of today.
Geez, you really need to learn your history
In which part may I ask? I know it very well and I presented it in part above.
Right on!
Thank you. I think you are right as well. Not right as in rightwing, yea know :-) Not even left. Same same really. I vote upwing if ever such a thing existed on a bird.
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Halleluja. :-) Right on, I say.
Occupy The wealth Gospel, and the Word of faith and Christian Zionism you mean? Yes they are all full of Shit ...Pseudo-Christianities.
Please do no tlump the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church into the above people, we are not them.
First phrase, yes.
Second, I am not sure I understand. Please fill me in or rephrase.
Oh, and pencatostals and christians are even protected via United Nations Human Rights! UN is protecting lies and The Sun God for what reason? Must be because religion is the best product ever introduced and sells and ignites every single problem (and solution to enter war) we see so why not protect the best product ever?!
Even christianity is adveritised each and every day in other products in companies logos using the circle/disc to represent The Sun God (Christianity).
Advertisng Christianity as a business. Why not take Christianity to Wall Street on the stocks (Ticker: SGC the Sun of God Christianity Inc.). Then let us see how it does. Do not let our money infiltrate into the churches. If they do that the money is given to The Sun God and The Sun does not need money - believe me. When I say money I realy mean talent which equals value.