Forum Post: not exactly getting this; what are you fighting or?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 8:06 p.m. EST by dstaples71
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I'm. Just a kid, I have no money and no prospects of a real job thanks to the way things are, just like you, but I don't see here a clear plan on how you wnt to FIX things, just a lot of rabble about hour you're pissed off. You know what I did? I researched; how DO the rich do what they do? I discovered their tax breaks are not rom working income, but rom ivestmentments; t.hings that create jobs and boost our economy. So you know what I decided to do? COPYY THEM. I went out and ound a great condo with minimal down and can cash low. So, why not just learn anmd do what THEY do?. Btw way, I'm only 19 and have no job, but thinking outside the box like THEY do seems to work. Thanks
it's the 'cool' thing to do now
it's the 'cool' thing to do now
You all are being used and you aren't even smart enough to know it. If you succeed (and you won't) you will be working for me because I won't continue to work to feed you. I will just let you guys live in your own filth. Be careful what you want. Trust me, I, and every other now productive member of society will make sure you get it.
Ater all these responses I get the picture: a free lunch
word we all try to survive ...you are 19 I m almost 40, I survive " get money " saw my grandparents survive ...saw my parents survive... but it keeps getting harder ... I do not want my children to live in servitude
So EDUCATE yourself like I did
Moron
And are nt people in debt because of their OWN accord? I mean, how else do you get into debt? Please enlighten me
Buy a house
Excellent work dstaples71. Too many people think they should just be given something without having to work for it or to risk their savings. If you work hard and/or risk your savings by investing you deserve to be compensated for it. At the same time if you risk your savings and things don't work the way you gambled they would you should not be bailed out. There are lots of things wrong with this country, they are not the fault of rich people. The problem is a government that has grown too big and uses its power to prop up monopolies.
Indeed, but it was just a question based on logic.
government is owned by the Bankers. most of the jobs are for the bankers Government jobs and government contractors
over all, those system components in analysis must be a ponzi scheme. you can;t have everyone at the top if 80 percent of the people are renting. IE; renting out an apartment is really an invitation for people to become your peasants. So if everyone uses those same strategies and plays the same game its still then about who plays that game better, and makes civilization a fight instead of a cooperation. sorry, i do know exactly what feudalism is. You trying to talk about its main features and then say that other features of feudalism are not the feudalism is silly. The dominant or single most relevant point is land ownership, certainly, but there are other features of feudalism, one of which is most certainly taxes, and to the point, by definition taxation as such begins in feudal systems. It is remarkably futile and silly to argue with me. It would be wiser to stop and take your opportunity to chat with the DJIN. capitalism is ALSO a system which has NEVER existed.
the core issues; 1. Corporate Personhood. 2. Caste Warfare; they started it. 3. Its legal to lie to the USA public. 4. They are OUR airwaves. They should be used for WETHEPEOPLE not leased by the government to corporations. Put Local colleges in charge of all the media. Arrest and seize all mass media devices and then give those devices straight out to the local colleges, including the land they sit on. We need education public media; not legalized lying and propaganda wars against the people. 5. Education reform. Everyones being kept stupid and ignorant on purpose in school and repugnicons want to argue about how to pay or punish teachers. We need child centered education reform, not a con scam to privatize education and thus score all our children for corporate zombotification. 6. Free market system. Not slave market system. Not caste market system. Not Caste warfare market system. Not rigged Casino. Not making something off of nothing and making bubbles to grease a gravy train either. Free market system. We must have one of those. Its time to have one of those. We have NEVER YET had one of those. 7. Realistic regulation of the government to regulate and control corporations so that what they do is fair and just and ethical and under control instead of a parade of unleashed godzillas turning the masses into to toe jam. 8. Real and direct representation, including no more lobbying, and including an evolutionary use of the internet with organized forums and wikis replacing the old style of congressional/ mayoral office.
"Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money"
nope. taxation period of any kind is merely and only a means to the end of creating a caste system. And even deeper, taxation dynamically entropizes a system, so its not only not necessary to regulate money, its the single largest entropic contributor to the system. The ONLY reason why we pay taxes is thats the feudal system; the idea that we pay anything remotely approaching the same thing or fair to what the rich pay is preposterous. The whole point of taxes is to distribute wealth from the poor to the rich. period.
gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
"the end goal product should be that every small community takes care of its own. Any federal system is a problem definition of something requiring more serious attention to solve. long term social programs managed by nation sized meta entities is a disaster not only socially and civilly but to the people who get third rate borg social services. A well functioning system does not need a welfare system, it only has a highly evolved net which catches people and only involves less than one percent of the population at any given time, not punishing but rehabing and educating folks. Until such time as that end goal is achieved, no hand outs is a paradox... you have to spend time and thus money in order to fix the problems till their fixed past needing time or money."
And a REAL free market systmem, ne rrigin lobies
Thank you very much! I agree; taxation sucks. It began in our countryy in 1913 in order to "punish" the rich, but I want to BE rich someday! Also this "one size fits all" education system is a fluke. Thank you. So ar you are the ONE person who has given a non-emotional smart thought out response
taxation started before 1913 . In 1913 Federal Reserve Act came the money changers. They get rich with out doing anything they are money changers and the money changers are about to get kicked out of the temple once again.
er. wanting to be "rich" one day is the hook... be careful...
Oh boy I am. Ben screwed over once already
Check the link after the edit mark on this page for a working list of goals
http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/
I have read all that over and over,,,, no where does it state any solutions.
Thank you. A clear picture
no prob
19 years old + no prospects of a real job + minimal down on a condo. Sounds like a horrible idea. I think you just got played.
Yeah, the 1% pay cash, not down payments with no job
Nope. Its working out LEGALLY and just ine. In act, it paid or my education this year
I'm not the 1,percent, but I managed to pull it off with hard work. Why can't you?
IMHO the 2 most important demands should be. 1)Serious Election Reform. 1 Vote=$1 2)Serious Lobby reform, criminalize bribery. All other problems will resolve themselves, once we get the mass corruption out.
Um, bribery is already illegal. Unless by "bribery" you mean lobbying, which is protected by the First Amendment.
yeah, so. two kinds of bribery. bribery and lobbying. which should not be protected by the first amendment. Because they are AT WORK and FOR US, not operating for themselves- they are on OUR TIME. Curiously, if i try to bribe a police officer and call that "free speech" i get arrested. if some bank does it, they do brutal violence against protesters. If i try to bribe somebody its a crime, if a corporation tries to bribe somebody its lobbying. end the double standard. Free speech is not the same as free criminal enterprise.
You can't pass a law to do that. You would have to pass a constitutional amendment limiting free expression. That's not a great idea, for obvious reasons. In any case, it's unrealistic as a political goal. The First Amendment is pretty popular.
i'm sorry, no, you don't have to lmit free expression. There is nothing limiting about it. Its fine to express yourself but its not okay to lie. Its not okay to buy people off with money. Whats going on here is a semantics game. we are calling things free expression which are simply crimes against the people. Its not free expression to lie. if i lie a lot then i'd expect people to get with it and slowly i lose my ability to be heard. Same thing with corporations or etc. you have the RIGHTS and then you have the RESPONSIBILITIES which go with those rights, if you can't be adult with the responsibilities then you have to go back to school and get clued up. Same thing with the right to drive. Yeah. but if you drive and hit somebody they take your license. If you run a media engine and knowingly lie; they take your license, same thing. That does not require any such constitutional amendment. In fact it doesn't even require new laws, just that we enforce laws they quit enforcing.
Excellent points, since when is bribing a Congressman with money and gifts 'free expression'? More corruption at work, needs repaired, see where the problems are really rooted? Simpler than you think.
"It is not okay to lie." It may not be okay to lie, but is it illegal to lie? The obvious problem with criminalizing "lying" is that you end up criminalizing the expression of minority opinions -- opinions deemed "lies" by the majority. There is no objective way to determine what qualifies as a lie. That's the great thing about the First Amendment, though, it doesn't criminalize lying.
no, you do not criminalize minority opinion... this is all silly stupid irrational logic. A minority opinion is not the same as lying unless its composed of lies and then its not an opinion, its lies. Knowingly lying and having a minority opinion are clearly different and formal logic gives us the tools to easily distinguish that difference. There is absolutely an objective way to determine what qualifies as a lie; you saying that proves you are sucked in by lie culture and republican propaganda. Its called formal conversational logic. And whether or not the first amendment says anything about it, all rights are contingent upon their relevant responsibilities.
calling this a first amendment issue is a mind crime. it isn't. republican talking point X bites the dust.
A "mind crime"? Really? I thought you guys were socialists, but now I'm realizing you're actually fascists.
ad homs from a guy whos trolling and whos ignorant and whos got no argument. no surprises here.
Occupy Wall Street has no political leaning it is of the people by the people for the nation.
OWS has no political leaning? You're a mind criminal. Where's gawdoftruth when we need him?
&ut you guys don't. I don't see any clear strategy here. Just a bunch of people who want things done or them in stead of doing it themselves.
dstaples71,
I am sure you have heard this before but... You are Hitler.
Yeah, ok so you are gonna be one of 'them' 1%ers? Too good for us commonfolk? Remember the rest of us in our wage slave jobs when you make it big.
If you have any soul you will pay me $30 an hour to be a Marijuana Tester.
But you probably don't.
Learn your history bud, and you'll know it was people like YOU who put him in power
hello " not the man" and you're de not. All I asked is what your goals are and how I easily went around the system. BWT you ignorant fool, I'm jewish, and though I've never been calles "Hitler" as you boldy state, ihave been called "creative", which you are clrealy not. Don't you know that Hitley campaigne for peole JUST like you?
I only understood about 30% of what you just wrote there.
You only understood because you are still stuck in some ignorant mindset.
Let me summerize: I'm Jewish Hitler campaigned for down and out people just like YOU You have no creativity or oresight; the kind of poepl Hitler targeted I decided NOT to WORK OR money You didn't
So educate yourself and learn to write in English.
I only mean this; I AM where you are, but I got around it by educating myself. Why WORK FOR money. But mainly I want a CLEAR picture of your goals. I may very well agree
Oh, well that is admirable.