Forum Post: No concrete demands!!!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 10:37 a.m. EST by odiug
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At this moment of the movement it seems to me it is much more important to wake the people up, to free them of this feverish nightmare of 35 years of neo lib & neo con politics. When the people are awake they will know what to do. But first they have to wake up!
Who is the leader of the movement? I have heard the whole "its everyone's" deal a million times. I may be going from step A to Z here, but hypothetically, what happens if the 1% offers to make a deal or change? Who do they negotiate with?
Everyone.
Everything is through the people. We will tell them what to do when we are ready.
Negotiate? What is there to negotiate?
stop war
the public! that is the nice thing about OWS ... no smoky back room deals! The 1% would have to put their position to the public via media ... and we will see if there is any substance to it or not!
Who is taking the money people are donating? Who is organizing this website? Who is writing the front page articles? The leaders. Just saying the people decide everything and there are no backroom deals doesn't make it true.
Well ... if "the leaders" would spend some on this web site ... tell you the truth ... i'd appreciate it very much ... cause this forum stinks :-( And i do not mean the trolls, it is just not very user friendly.
forgive student loan slavery!!!
Here's how we can easily Reform Wall Street: Take away their powers "once again." And a Million People March on The Hill will help get it done!
For example, "We are here Congress because we want to bring REINSTATE the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/071603.asp#axzz1aPEc3wX which helped saved our country from the Great Depression by preventing investment companies, banks, and insurance companies from merging and becoming large brokerage firms; instead of just being Banks and Insurance companies--why can't we learn a history lesson here Congress? Btw, why did most of you vote for its final repeal in 1999? http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/09/19/shattering-the-glass-steagall-act (2nd story here)
Think about where we are now, it all started in 1999 with lawmakers like Senator Phil Gramm: CNN's The Ten Most Responsible for Economy Collapse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOxr2wBZQ&feature=related
Furthermore, we also want you to CHANGE the Commodities Future Modernization Act of 2000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000 BACK to where it was before 2000, which since has deregulated energy markets and consequently allowed for such scams as The Enron Loophole; whereas in the early 2000's Enron Corp. was charging 250 bucks plus for a kilowatt hour...They all when to jail for this. But, the Enron loophole is still not closed, for example, allowing speculators to resell barrels of oil over and over again before it reaches the gas station owner. It's basically, legal gambling at our expense. What were those lawmakers thinking then? What are you thinking now? Either do the right think, or you're part of the 1%."
Why are oil prices high? The Enron Loophole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTGYQBMU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNp0y0SjOkY&feature=related
Rolling Stones Reporter: Truth about Goldman Sachs--how they have cornered the markets--basically, The Enron Loophole and the Repeal of Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waL5UxScgUw
Let's get focused and bring back Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, they got it right 1933, we don't need to REINVENT the wheel because bringing this Act back will create an even playing field once again....and let's finally Close the Enron Loophole, which allowed Enron to charge what they wanted for energy; they went to jail for this; but no one closed the loophole, why? Re-election Monies from the banks and oil companies! The writing is on the wall.
A patient with cancer is dying and his organs are losing functions.
The doctor said to the relatives, "I can give medicines to support his organs. Tell me which organ you want to support."
The relatives said, "I want him cure."
The doctor replied, "No. I cannot give you the cure unless you have $1 million. I can only support his organs. And I cannot both support his organs and give him the cure. I cannot do both. Now, tell me what you want."
The relatives said, "I don't have $1 million but I want him cure."
The doctor said, "I am sorry, you can only tell me which organ you want to support. Tell me now!!"
p.s. if ows is smart, gets people to join the movement(the $1 million) and you will have the cure for the cancer
I think people are starting to wake up, i think the original movement that we all stand behind has given us cause to rise up and speak the mind of the people. If some who support the movement or individual GAs want to create a list of demands they have agreed upon as a whole, let them under the guides that these are their own GA's desires, or maybe have all the GAs that want to participate in a collective draw up of demands do so if they so desire. The fact is that some Occupy Wall Street participants want to eventually have a list of demands, while others do not. Since OWS stands for true democracy then shouldnt each GA be permitted to chose whether they wish to have a list of demands,and likewise those GAs that do not want demands remain demand free. Iduno just a thought, please feel free to chime in and educate me... :)
No need demands, we need real freedom right now...
They are awake, but it won't last. This thing needs to get organized or it will fizzle out.
I second this. People are beginning to care about income inequality. Nobody cares about 9/11 truthers or how the working man needs to RISE UP, etc.
Start with the big issue. Stick to the big issue. It's the one thing we all agree on.
How about this for a concrete demand. This would end the corruption of politians & the millionaires of wall street that have them in their pockets! Congressional Reform Act of 2011
How about this for a concrete demand. This would end the corruption of politians & the millionaires of wall street that have them in their pockets! Congressional Reform Act of 2011
The following was posted by a commentator on CNN and I thought it was brilliant:
Here’s a few Modest Proposals for an Occupy Wall Street agenda:
these jobs need to be health care, environmental care and alternative energy production
Begin by abolishing income tax. This oppressive tax is already embedded in the cost of american produced goods. A national sales tax would apply to all but American manufactured goods would cost less or the same because the imbedded cost of imposed taxes would be removed. Imports will cost more. Hence American goods will be competitive in America and good manufacturing jobs will return. Also, it will get Uncle Sam out of our personal business.
Ahhhh herman cains pizza plan of 999 becomes even simpler and is left with 99 :-D Nice .... the problem wit sale tax is it is one of the most unjust taxes there are since it hits the poor and lower middle class the most! The second problem is, it amplifies the competition of nations to lower taxes ... one of the reasons we are in this mess ... especially if it comes to the public deficit. Who would stop other nations to abolish their income tax and what tax is next? At the end we would have no government left and democracy fails!
Begin by abolishing income tax. This oppressive tax is already embedded in the cost of american produced goods. A national sales tax would apply to all but American manufactured goods would cost less or the same because the imbedded cost of imposed taxes would be removed. Imports will cost more. Hence American goods will be competitive in America and good manufacturing jobs will return. Also, it will get Uncle Sam out of our personal business.
These are the Demands: Impeach them all..Seize the assets of all criminals associated,Congress,The Supreme Court,The Federal Reserve,Tim Geithner,Bernanke,Greenspan,Clinton,Bush,Bush,Cheney, Rumsfeld,House of Rothschild,Rockefeller,Obama, These people are up on the list and this list is by no means all perpetraitors..This will get us started.. Distribute the wealth to all people of the world....that will do for now..
Congress,the Supreme Court,are bought and paid for..The Federal Reserve counterfeiting money backed by nothing,no goods or service,no gold . Treason is the charge and all branches of government involved.. Previous administrations,Clinton and Bush,Reagan,set the stage and are implicated as well..Treason,bribery,extortion,fraud,murder,and cover-up,guns and drug running,are all carried out by these cartel including Rothschild Rockefeller and a host of other unseemly characters..Seize their assets,distribute to all the people in the world,who are the ones these transnationals stole it from.. Forgive the artificial debt,money that is not real is not taxable..Usher in an age of prosperity and peace, because when you take the money from these bad boys, you wont have any more wars..
The Federal Reserve and Bank of America Initiate a Coup to Dump Billions of Dollars of Losses on the American Taxpayer
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/the-federal-reserve-and-bank-of-america-initiate-a-coup-to-dump-hundreds-of-billions-of-dollars-of-losses-on-the-american-taxpayer.html
1.The bank holding company (BAC) is moving troubled assets held by an entity not insured by the public (Merrill Lynch) to the Bank of America, which is insured by the public
Here is a video that explains how we're getting robed. Feds are a ponzi scheme!!
Eliot Spitzer Takes On The Fed - MSNBC w/ Dylan Ratigan (7/24/09) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAtSmR7Z-Kg
Note the date - It's been going on for a while now
This and the wars are why we're broke!!! Cheers
the public's still going to pay them back?
seems to be the case...
but we don't have the money
they created money that we borrowed to keep the economy going
to keep resources moving
now, that money has disappeared
NO WAR
Or to use a traffic rules analogy : A Stop sign does not tell you where to go ... it just tells you you have to stop what you are doing!
You say it right--simple, clear and true. Keep saying it. It's critical.
The history of movements, until now, has been that they've been diluted by a myriad of demands, all good, perhaps, but divisive in their different directions. Elite-sponsored NGOs and other organizations work to make it so. This time is unique. Hope that the popularity and power of the simple message of #OWS is beyond containment.
"Stop, hey, what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down."
["... mostly say, hooray for our side ..."]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cd-KKfMpsY
What's been your experience in Germany? My son recently returned from there and said demonstrations are now a way of life in Germany.
I'm an American who immigrated to NYC thirty years ago. LOL
http://occupywallst.org/forum/who-demands-what/
well ... you are 14 yeaes ahead of me! But if your German is still functional ... at this moment they are talking about the "Wutbürger" as a new state of mind :-D roughly translated ti comes to "angry citizen" put to a single noun as we Germans love to do ;-)
Get rid of oil