Forum Post: Nkrumah Tinsley, the protester accused of molotov cocktail threats, rants in court
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 18, 2011, 2:04 a.m. EST by RexDiamond
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Fractal Mind of Despair. Dont worry the protest is taking place because men and women who are on the margin and need care are in despair. The movement is taking place to show there is no compassion.
"Tinsley's parents told the Daily News he has mental health problems."
That's no surprise. He's sane enough to be a political science student at The Borough of Manhattan Community College.
That doesn't mean he is "sane".
I've worked with lawyers who are on medication for bipolar disorder.
They aren't all that stable on meds and you wouldn't want to see them off their meds.
I also shared a cubicle with a para who went through a psychotic break. Showed up for work every day for months before I finally convinced the HR dept to contact her family down south.
It's a myth that mentally ill people are completely non-functional.
You can explain it away if you want. I guess all the people around him agreeing and cheering were also just people off their meds. Nevertheless, he is still the face of OWS.
No one was cheering. I saw the video. You lie.
WHAT? You obviously didn't see the video.
You lie, too.
That's right,anything that doesn't fit your point of view is a lie. Rather arrogant isn't it?
You're entitled to your own "point of view" but not to your own facts.
The video doesn't lie, but some people who like to post here do.
So you didn't see all the hand slaps and cheering as the fool talks about burning NY to the ground and throwing molotov cocktails into Macy's?
I saw some ladies standing around him looking bewildered.
Lol selctive vision. I have selective hearing but it's a survival technique from being married 30 yrs.
I feel that the link to the actual video needs to be posted here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilq_66LnRaw
The guy's rants are at the beginning, then there is more footage showing a middle aged female doctor being arrested and various other clips.
There are two segments with Tinsley ranting. In the first segment there is one person, off camera, who is cheering him on and then you see that person's arm in the frame, high fiving him.
BUT -- all the other people standing around Tinsley turn away from him when he gets into his rant or they just look at each other bewildered.
In the second segment, no one cheers him on and one guy shakes his head. You can see by body language that people are recoiling from him and not in support of what he is saying.
Had he not been arrested that day, Molotov cocktails would have been lit. They were indeed egging him on. Who's hand did he slap 5 times as he announced that you idiots would "meet these niggas at the stock exchange and burn this shit down. Down to the ground?"
Nice following you all have built.
"Had he not been arrested that day, Molotov cocktails would have been lit. "
Where is the proof of that, you character assassinating smear artist?
The very article you posted says that police searched the guy's home and found nothing....nothing but OWS literature.
You lie 2.0.
You know the outcome.You know he speaks the true plan of action. You are just legally trying to protect the group until it reaches a certain point. Stop pretending you actually care about the issues. Be honest about it for once.
I know nothing of the sort, you lying shill.
"We didn't come armed - this time!!!!!!"
Where have I heard that? Not at Zucotti Park.
It doesn't matter. There's no organized message. It a freakshow. That's on purpose. Why? You know why.
I agree, the plan is to turn violent, and they are using mentally ill fanatics like this poor man who still lives with his parents at the age of 29 as the first guinea pigs.
"We didn't come armed - this time!!!!!!"
Where have I heard that? Not at Zucotti Park.
I think Occupy is planning violence for the future: Phase II. At the moment it is setting the stage for this by creating a propaganda campaign aimed at demonizing the police officers and making the protesters looks like angelic victims. The imagery is getting more violent and the last poster features the famed Tiananmen Tanks. Look at the point by point reporting in the news section. A lot of the reports are plain lies, like the idea that the NYPD is trying to stop medics from helping injured citizens.
The violence will start in a few months when the minds of the young protesters have been adequately prepared for it, and when the movement reaches a big enough size. If we look back at history, it's normal to see a lot of talk of non-violence before violence erupts. It serves to attract members to the movement and build a strong force. With the proper propaganda, and tactics, this force that was once peaceful can be made to become violent. One of Occupy's tactics is to create as many police-protester standoffs as it can. Instead of using a park a few hours a day to assemble and protest, it decides to Occupy a park because it know that there will come a time when the police will show up and "evict them". The idea to occupy the subway is similar, it is designed to create a standoff with police. After many of these standoffs, some protesters will have inevitably been hurt, and it will be much easier to advocate for violence, especially if the propaganda has prepared the minds of all. The violence can be advocated as a self-defense at first.
Glaucon said: "Actually, I didn't read any websites to come up with these ideas. I simply looked at the imagery and the context Occupy was operating in. "
Yes, your message about the posters was exactly the same as what was posted on theblaze and you even used the same images as examples. Just a coincidence!
"I think I am at an advantage because I am far away. It means I cannot be indoctrinated, and can keep a more objective look. In the same way, I think a critic outside of scientology is better placed to comprehend the problems than a scientologist on the inside."
LOL well you may think that but you are wrong. You cannot know what you claim to "know" based on what you only know from media.
Your predictions are based on nothing.
Beyond that, nice little scientology reference there.
There is no "indoctrination" going on and there is no parallel between OWS and scientology.
Beyond that, as your message is a reply to me, I choose to take your little inference personally. Let me assure you, I am no kid, I am worldly and experienced grown-up who is not susceptible to brainwashing.
Gee. Now we have to be brainwashed in order to think the professed grievances of this movement have validity? No, I don't think so, I think all we need to do is live in the United States and have our eyes open.
It is just a coincidence. I never read the websites you mentioned prior. This is the truth. Coincidences are possible, and in this case I'm am not too surprised. There are many people that feel this poster and the one with the Tiananment Tanks display violence and anarcho-communist colors. If you do not see this, I do not see the point of arguing any longer.
You're not even here. You are half a world away. You have no clue what goes on at the NY protests other than what you've been reading on the Glenn Beck paranoia-fest website and wherever else you go to read about them.
The protests are not violent. I've been to two of the marches. At the first eviction, where the city gave them advance notice that it would happen, thousands of MAINSTREAM people showed up to stand with the protestors. People who would NEVER be violent, high profile people with reputations to protect, etc.
You have no clue really and are making baseless predictions. Where are getting your information from, your crystal ball?
Actually, I didn't read any websites to come up with these ideas. I simply looked at the imagery and the context Occupy was operating in.
I think I am at an advantage because I am far away. It means I cannot be indoctrinated, and can keep a more objective look. In the same way, I think a critic outside of scientology is better placed to comprehend the problems than a scientologist on the inside.
Again, I am not saying the protests are violent at this time. I believe they will become violent in the future, or at least Occupy will try to make them this way.
I'm getting my information from a thorough analysis of the imagery, of threads in anarchic forums posted by organizers of the movement, and of a knowledge of history where this exact type of strategy was used before. Occupy is very much linked in the past. Some of its posters are direct replicas of 1920's Russian communist propaganda posters.
Suit yourself. Time will tell. Just keep an eye on the imagery. It will be getting more violent. Stay safe a the protests. Just keep an eye open. If I'm wrong it's all good, if I'm right you can use my warning to protect yourself.
And Obama is laughing as they play into his hands. Hopefully it won't come to it but be prepared folks because if the violence keeps growing Obama will declare martial law and suspend elections due to "the nationwide emergency".
Hey Masq. I got into this discussion with someone yesterday who said they didn't condone the violence but why not use it to help the movement,now that's sad. Kind of sounds like the 1% they're protesting against doesn't it? Using people for their own ends.
It's quite pathetic how this group uses people.
Like the following the republicans built with people like Jared Loughner or Scott Roeder, or all of the right wing militias that have tried to murder law enforcement in order to take over the government?
So who are you the face of, Rex?
Or are you representing yourself here?
The real 99 percent. Glad you asked.
One of the major problems in this nation is that people like you identify themselves as "the real" and everyone who doesn't agree with them as some kind of scary "other".
And you "real" Americans and "real" 99 percenters frequently come from Oklahoma. Why is that? We blue staters were certainly "real" enough to be hit on 9/11.
You said- One of the major problems in this nation is that people like you identify themselves as "the real" and everyone who doesn't agree with them as some kind of scary "other". This is exactly how OWS treats any of us in the 99% who don't agree with them. As far as OWS is concerned we have no valid ideas or statements to make because we don't agree with OWS. OWS has made it abundantly clear they don't give a fuck about the 99% unless you kowtow their line. I'm not saying there weren't some good ideas but most of OWS is arrogant and wants to tell the rest of us how to live our lives. OWS is trying to become the 1% that controls the country.
" I'm not saying there weren't some good ideas but most of OWS is arrogant and wants to tell the rest of us how to live our lives."
Give me an example of how OWS tells you to live your life.
What I see is a protest against corporate greed, corruption in government and shady practices in the financial industry.
I didn't realize they were telling us how to live.
My perception of OWS is obviously very different than yours so providing examples of when and how they have told you to live your personal life would help me understand what your concerns actually are.
All one need do is read through the writings here. I know there's so many and hence cannot list them myself but I have read calls for eliminating money,work(everyone feeds off the govt teat),barter systems only,giving up technology,using technology to run the govt,strict socialism,and the list goes on. Once again,sorry I can't give you the links but the posts are here somewhere.
This whole statement is just a bunch of nonsensical garbage. OWS does not represent the majority of the population. Fact. Therefor, the name is a fallacious claim. Regarding the rest of your comment, I can't even figure out your point. Red state Blue state, Oklahoma, 9/11. Just random ramblings from a madman somewhere out there.
No, it is your idea that you are somehow more "real" than people who disagree with your worldview is nonsensical garbage.
What's also nonsensical garbage is the negativity and outright lies that you feel compelled to post on this forum.
So if that is true, Rex, why are you claiming that the molotov guy was also representing you?
Because he belongs to OWS, not the 99 percent.
Nobody cheered him on, Rex. He could have been a plant, or unhinged. Nobody but his parents have claimed him.
It's a strawman argument.
You might be part of the majority, but you are certainly missing the point of being part of them.
See the problem is you welcome people like him with open arms and then say "he doesn't represent OWS". I'm sorry Builder you can't have it both ways.
Where is this "welcome him with open arms" thing happening? It's a public protest and the public turn up in their thousands.
Who is going to interview and assess every protester? And why would they anyway?
Who is to know how any individual will act and react?
Hope you can see what a strawman argument that is you've posited there, Perspective.
I understand it's public. Why weren't his threats turned over to the police? Because OWS doesn't care about the 99% just themselves. Your whole movement has shown that repeatedly. I've read so many calls for violence here and talk of well,that person doesn't represent us but how can we use what they are doing to further "the movement".
I'm an observer from Australia. It's not "my" movement.
Just saying how it is with protests and street marches.
Nobody can control anyone, or anything.
I can understand that some are impatient, and want blood.
I can also imagine that many are becoming jaded with the ongoing sit-ins, and want something, anything, to happen to break the stalemate.
Surprised that there have been so few casualties, when I consider the numbers of individuals involved so far.
Sorry couldnt reply to your last one since it's end of chain. Why do you and most of OWS think that people only get their news from one place? So now it's all a conspiracy? Sad.
The conspiracy is that #ows will become violent. The reality is, that there has been so little violence, considering the scale of the protests globally, that everyone is surprised.
Everyone, that is, except for MSM which focusses only on the few violent incidents, starting in Greece, I believe.
You have bought into that belief, and so, the obvious conclusion to make, seeing as how you are also focussing on the tiny specks of violence, is that your view of this movement is limited to what you are shown on MSM.
"I can understand that some are impatient, and want blood. " Really? Come now my friend down under,do you really stand by that statement? The violence continues to grow and OWS doesn't care who it affects as long as they get their way. OWS is trying to become the 1%,they know what's best for all of us,they know how our country should be run. They could care less about the 99%.
That's your personal opinion. Without statistics, it remains that alone.
We get more news about the #ows movement globally than you get in the US of A about what is happening at home.
Your news sources are owned by the 1 %.
Media blackouts only work so well, when we have vimeo and utoob.
I see where the violence is creeping in. Like I said earlier, your molotov cocktail guy was probably a plant, just like the bottle-throwers in Oakland.
It's quite easy to stage a riot. Rent-a-crowd. Happens all the time with strike actions everywhere. Nothing unique about this protest. You are giving #ows organisers more credit than they deserve.
The point is you have a movement that attracts this element. Part of me thinks that is on purpose, whether you or the majority of OWS is aware of it or not. It's a puppet show. Unfortunately, only a few of the puppets know who the master is.
No masters, and no puppets. Individuals expressing their angst in their own fashion.
You'd be the first to complain if #ows had rules for membership and attendance.
Now tell me that 99 % of all US citizens are going to be cut from the same cloth, and follow the same ideals.
Like I said already, you may be part of the majority, but you're unsure what it actually means to be part of them.
Who do you think you are fooling?
Who do you think I am trying to fool?
I'm stating the facts as they are.
The masters and puppets are the lobbyists and the politicians.
If you believe the politico-speak, then you are the one with strings attached, my friend.
Oh, I know!
"We didn't come armed - this time!!!!!!"
Where have I heard that? Not at Zucotti Park.
So, are the cops that randomly mace peaceful protestors or shoot peaceful war vets in the face with tear gas guns and then throw flash bang grenades at them the face of police? Do they represent all of law enforcement?
Just a skid... five years from now he'll be doing a six and a half to ten. It's a shame that real life human beings have to tolerate the presence of these skells.
He's a mainstream OWSer.