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I'm backing down from my rhetoric. I'm not trying to breed any hate, here. Sure, I'm critical and argumentative. I don't deny there's good and bad everywhere. I don't deny there's people from the South who've done some good things. They have a right to be proud of them. No doubt. But, it's my belief the South has been engaged in a Civil War ever since the Civil War. They infiltrated the Federal Government. They infiltrated corporations. They infiltrated other parties. They've even managed to completely distort the meaning of republican and democrat. Today's republicans are the Civil War's democrats. They are not hillbillies. They are very clever. They are deceitful and clever. The very embodiment of the two-headed snake. The maniacs who preach the insanities aren't looking for headlines. They are preaching to the choir, just like their pastors, who mince politics and religion like there's no difference. The South IS the military industrial complex. The Federal government is the main buyer of their wares. That's the same Federal government they lambast again and again and again. That we need adequate protection, I give them. That they should be given a pass with all wasteful spending they do swept under the rug, I do not believe in. There in NO accountability in the MIC. That's what Ike, (a republican...and a Texan!..and I liked him very much), warned against and that's what has come to fruition. It's not a conspiracy. It's right in front of you. You have to investigate. Do your research. These very same factions have been ever dominate in the background, which is why no social good has ever come of it but we do have new and more powerful weapons. The very same factions have the government shutdown right now. There's a lot of wealthy and powerful people in Texas, not to mention the Kochs. Their moral compass was lost long ago. Their religion is a lie because they don't even believe it themselves unless it suits them. They are clearly out to Nazi-fy this country...AND...they are succeeding. Sit on the fence at your own peril. You think I like saying these things?? Christ! I wish I was wrong. These pockets of conservatism exist sure. The social changes that came about in the 60s and 70s angered a lot of people. It stoked resentment of unions. I'm not saying these people are wrong either. That's why I say the two-party system is failing us. But, now is the time if you want to save the union. If I'm wrong, Narley, W, HC, you can rub it in my face and I'll apologize. The mid-terms were lost due to pacification of those wanted change. One more republican term and this country will be lost. You pacifiers can lick lollipops and go la, la, la, la, lah! And you will lose! So, let's make a copy of this, all, shall we? You can rub it my face when the republicans save us from ruin..(as Alf would say, 'Hahh!')
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True. I use a wireless keyboard that loses a lot when I type sorry.
Its all good, I appreciate good debate. Long paragraphs dont deter me from reading. Its my belief that until the people decide to start self governing themselves and their community again, then ruin is a 100% guarantee.
Voting for lackey representatives once every 1,460 days is about as apathetic as a group can get.
It takes much much more.
Gotta disagree with ya on this one dog. I've lived in South for the last 13 years. This is Southern politics....real life. Take a state like Georgia. Led the charge to impeach Clinton. Yet, they were besides themselves with anger over a CNN anchor asking Newt about his infidelity. They overwhelming voted for him. The two-headed snake is as alive now as it was in the Civil War. Sounds very critical, I know, but true. Fact.
nh- ZD's point is that the tp FUNDERS are david & charlie
ok, maybe I'm missing something, here. but this cartoon is excellent. hate the kochs all you want, (and I hate 'em plenty). They couldn't get anywhere without all the ignorant pugs. and you can't change them. If you think you can, try to sponge the spots off a leopard. this is a failure, placating and platitudes. it's why we are where we are. the truth owes no apologies nor should it ever.
I agree that trying to "convert" a tp lemming is a lost cause
replacing ther reps in congress is an achieveable goal
a D house would never default
140+ Rs voted FOR default yesterday
Agreed! I look at guys like Mitch McConnell and say "how?," "why?." Answer: Kentucky......Alabama, Georgia, Missouri, Louisiana, etc.,etc.. To say people are the same everywhere...THAT is GROUPING. And who gives a shit? Don't black people say "white people"? Don't Christians say "Muslims"? Don't cops say "criminals"? Does anyone take the time to make a stink with people who make these assertions? Sure there's liberals in South, conservatives in the North, and bad guys and nice guys. This is a mincing of words. You have to get those who are pulling the strings, the majority, the LEMMINGS! I wouldn't even try to change them. You can't. Their insanity is in their blood. You can only make others aware these whackos do exist....and could even spread. Tough enough job. Thanks to your post, it's a least in the open. Good job! Thanks.
https://www.google.com/search?q=john+birch+society&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=Fred+C.+Koch&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gXFxWkZhtvshWyG5T58nXinfoVKyKPvurZSdANIchNsqAAAA
the fun here is that the capitalist koch fortune was seeded
in the communist USSRs
Oil drilling in Communist Russia? Business is business.
that's where david & charlie's dad started
Yes, while he was railing against the great Red Menace. Unclean hands from beginning to present.
I just read an article that tried to diminish the importance of 'who' in the Kennedy assassination, comparing it to Lincoln's. Of course, it was an ol' Tex-ass reporter. In the wake of Lincoln's death, Southern supporters got their feet planted firmly in government to prolong the pain. Kennedy spoke of secret societies and an untame military and civil rights. In the wake of that, Johnson let the military lead us to ruin, was a candy ass for Southern politicians and only passed civil rights under pressure which were repaid with bullets to the head of MLK and Bobby. The South is the largest voting block in this country. They are led by all sorts of radicals, including the Koch bros.. Ignore this and the pain gets worse. The truth owes no apologies. You know this. (P.S. - Satan gave us the formula for the atomic bomb).
You present a potpourri of loosely- and dis-connected topics.
That the Kochs are the descendants of the JBS, was my injection.
I'm leaning toward Jesse Ventura on the JFK assassination. Was the old Texass reporter Jim Lehrer or Bob Schieffer? Well meaning yes men.
There have been a few great articles written recently on the Southern and Plantation influence on today's political events. I posted one a few weeks ago. They were revealing and informative pieces, missing links in this crazy RW behavior.
But you have Johnson a little wrong. His Great Society program was his dream and driving ambition from early in his political career. And he was a big Texan who thought most politicians, North and South, were nasty little wimps and in his goal's way. He could not have cared less about Vietnam, and when he was snagged into it by a MIC that needed a war, he cooperated, he even escalated it, because he thought one good Texan punch in the jaw would knock Ho Chi Minh out cold and it would be done. Then he could focus on his Great Society. He did not realize the quagmire he'd gotten the country into until it was too late. And he could not understand why hitting them harder and harder just didn't end it. It worked in Texas bar fights! And the MIC exploited his naivete.
LBJ wanted to end poverty like FDR ended the Great Depression. Like FDR, he was not addressing segregation, that had been the way, the unwritten law, forever. I don't think he wanted anything to do with racial affairs. But when push came to shove he signed the Civil Rights Act because he knew it was time, BUT he knew, said, and was right, it would lose the South for the foreseeable future. After he did all that he could with his GS baby and Vietnam became a noose around his neck, he resigned in exhaustion, humiliation and guilt.
The Germans (Nazis), through Project Paper Clip, gave us the A-bomb and the Big-Lie propaganda techniques. We gave Germany and Japan a progressively structured government and economy, too bad we didn't adopt it and maintain it here, we'd be a lot better off.
Disconnected, loose. WRONG! Johnson WRONG! Johnson had no great society. He was finishing up Kennedy's work and that was it. In so much as he had to because it was embraced by the dems of the time. He could have cared less about Vietnam? WRONG! Poverty increased after Johnson and went nowhere in between. As for the loosely and disconnected, you need to read your own shit. The major tea party fuckers are either Southern or Children of the Corn. I believe it also referred to the Koch connection to the South and Kennedy's death. Johnson was heavily tied to Southern dems, (today's pugs), and corrupt as they came. Lyin' Lyndon they called him, (endearingly). And just where is the military industrial complex mainly located? The South owned that bitch. Well-meaning? Pacifiers aren't well meaning. You fail to understand a great deal. The A-bomb started the whole 'need to know' , deviance and secrecy that continues to this day right along with the military industrial complex. When you fail to understand history.....
With regard to LBJ, you've been believing too many revengeful historical rewrites, which erroneously portray him as a warmongering narcissist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/lbj/
The same thing happened to Huey P. Long, decades before him. http://www.hueylong.com/
With regard to the South, you seem to be of the irony & nuance challenged generation. Do you like Bill Moyers? He was LBJ's press secretary and fellow Texan. Southerners. Not everybody from the South is insane. http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023883464
However there is a Southern plantation/slavery/ruling class/bigotry/bible belt mindset taking over the GOP ~ Crazy Mr. Haney: Ted Cruz.
With regard to the MIC, they're bad, no argument, Dwight was right: http://www.edchange.org/multicultural/speeches/ike_chance_for_peace.html
With regard to "Well-meaning? Pacifiers" & "deviance and secrecy" etc. suggestions that there are flawless and pure politicos just waiting for a chance to lead the way, please tell us all about them. Meanwhile, work together to make the best of reality now. The world can't wait for Unicorns.
There's not one, but 2 articles in the Stone about the radical right-wing. Yes, it is Southern lunacy. I don't want to mince facts like I was actually in the room or something. I spaketh from the gut. It's never wrong. Johnson belonged to a selfish Southern faction. They wanted what they wanted and the rest of us could eat shit. Yes, I spaketh of the South like a disease of lunatics. I could be wrong, but I just read not 1, but 2 articles in the Rolling Stone that backed me up 100%. You can be wishy washy on the diseased faction all you want=equals at your own peril. I applaud your efforts on the vote, sir. The wishy washy gotta go. Evil is at hand, and they are winning.
On a lighter note, try 'vengeful.' I like it better than revengeful. Hah!
Yes, I like the term 'pacify.' You have to pacify your past when your LBJ's press secretary. With regard to 'taking over,' there was no taking over, the mindset was already there and STILL is there, that was my point. 'irony & nuance challenged generation.' (??) With one sentence, you say I'm wrong. With the very next you say, I'm right. You are of the pacifist, narcissist generation..you believe whatever is expedient at the moment and talk out of both sides of your mouth because 'it's a necessary part of life.' You prove it with your statement of pure politicos. Why has the 60s degenerated into where we are now? The pacifiers, 'JFK reminds us of a time blah, blah....' BULLSHIT! The message is 'The voters' president was shot in the head by your phoney government. What are you gonna do about it?' Anything else is lame. I don't like lame. 'History is written by the winners.' - Napoleon. You've simply read the winner's depiction. I read the real one. The Warren Commission was a grouping of the 'good ol' boys.' No doubt. None. Fuck your bullshit wiki fuckshit. Texas IS 'Oil" "Military Industrial Complex." To know who Lyndon is, you go back to when he got started in politics up until he became president. I liked him from 'what i heard' now, i think that's immaterial. Real Narcissism is talking out of both sides of your mouth. Look at what it really is...appeasement...pacifism..weak...pathetic. I don't know what pure politics is. I do know things will only get worse if people don't take a stand and let their wishy washy thinking take a hike.
Rebel without a clue tossed salad, go fuck yourself, time waster.
You are right. I'm a time waster. I'd have to be to be looking at Mr. Let Me Provide 100 LInks I Don't Even Read Myself.--Which go all over the place and then I have the gall to say to someone else they provide loosely and disconnected rebuttal. You are beaten. I think I hit a nerve because as we know, it's the wishy washy, (you), without the clue. It is what it is Will.
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/republican-judge-quits-gop-over-its-extremism?akid=11063.153904.NyFJiR&rd=1&src=newsletter912859&t=3
Hey listen, when I say something so negative, I like to be proven wrong. Anything that gives hope because, without it, people can get pretty desperate. I think the term 'entire South' was a little loose on my part. It was a reaction to the cartoon. It's all good because it sparked the debate. It's all good in my book. At the end of the day, I think we're on the same side. It was not my purpose to offend you. I offer my apologies, sir.
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the guy with the tie is louis gomert with a wig
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from ZD's link:
"Giffords' Tea Party opponent in the 2010 election, Jesse Kelly, went even further with the violent rhetoric. Kelly's campaign held an event called "Get on Target for Victory in November." Description: "Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly."
Too Stupid to Live
http://occupywallst.org/forum/gop-stupididy-apocalypse/
Ted Cruz And Louie Gohmert Walk Into A Bar…
http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/ted-cruz-house-republicans-meet-in-secret-at-tortilla-coast/
For Many Hard-Liners, Debt Default Is the Goal
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/for-many-hard-liners-debt-default-is-the-goal/?_r=0
Kochs bail on their TP monster
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc-hardball_with_chris_matthews/vp/53239550#53239550
How Christian Delusions Are Driving the GOP Insane
Why aren't Republicans more frightened of the consequences of a shutdown and default? Part of the reason is magical religious thinking.
http://www.alternet.org/belief/how-christian-delusions-are-driving-gop-insane
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you just described the entire South.
... and just about everywhere else outside NYC and San Francisco. My point is the people aren't your enemy. For an organization who professes to support the 99%, you seem ready to throw many, many people under the bus. Remember, Wall Street the problem, not the honest hard working people.
Wow! What a clever rebuttal...but..WRONG! First, the 99% is symbolic for the gross wealth disparity in the country. You can't help people who are busy biting your arm while you try to pull them out of quicksand. Better to let them go. Wall St. is also symbolic...symbolic of the way a lot of companies, organizations and governments are acting nowadays. I agree a lot of people are hardworking,...but honest? Whaddya live in a vacuum? And as for the above cartoon--it speaks to the vast majority of those born and bred in the South....deadpan. Right on. Bull's Eye. How well is Occupy doin' in the South? Answer: they're not. The South has been fucking this country up for years. Just a few years ago, Georgia tried to succeed from the Union again. No joke. They actually had an actual house debate and vote on it. They piss on big government, yet they're the major benefactors of it. That they would cut their own heads off to spite their big toe, I have NO DOUBT. Go live there and quit being ignorant.
OK, I got it now. You hate southerners. You view them as toothless hillbillies and red necks who live in a trailer park. It’s just not true. It’s a bigoted stereotype and you know it. I assume you know Jeff Foxworthy was a comedian? The south is no different than any other part of the US. Every region has nuances and regional flavor. There are blue collar working people all over the US. Maybe you don’t get out much. Stop the hate and bigotry.
Also, I don’t live in the deep south, but near enough to appreciate both southern and southwestern culture. It seems like you just don’t like people who don’t act the way you don’t want them to.
I don't hate Southerners. I hate ignorance. As far as getting out goes, I've lived in the South for 13 years, and New York. New York is NOTHING like the South. I don't think of the South as toothless hillbillies. To say 'no place is different than another.' That's just stupid. I like Jeff Foxworthy, before I lived in the South, I would have thought of Jeff's jokes as stereotypes. Perhaps even somewhat as you do now. However, I was always a student of history and the South's history is not much to speak of. Hundreds of thousands dead from a Civil War. They have a hate of Northern and liberal politics that runs deep. I would say you need do the same, friend. Bone up on their slavery days, what they did to slaves who became free, the Trail of Tears, the underground railroad, the reconstruction, the Klan, the dixiecrats, George Wallace. Outside, Atlanta, Georgia hasn't changed since then in their hearts and minds. You see, live and let live is my motto. Go down there and preach your 99% message and see how well you're received. I've lived in New York for 3 years, I never heard once, "wayuh from bowuh?' You've heard of red and blue states, right? There's a difference bowuh. I'm not preaching anything. But when I see a spade, I call it a spade. And by the way, what culture? Oh, I know, you're talking about Walmart, right?
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Travel into the area in between NYC and Rochester. Or NYC and Pittsburgh. Or NYC and Cleveland. You'll find the same back woods redneck stuff. Get out of city and its there. A bit more prevalent in the south, but its not the extreme difference you make it out to be.
How about Greenwood Lake, NY? Yes, there are smaller conservative hamlets everywhere. Yes, they have their nuances. Do you think having a house vote to succeed from the Union as late as 2009 because you got a little pressure to take confederate symbol off your flag extreme? was Jim Crow extreme? How about the SC governor who said God forgave his infidelities and that made him better than Clinton? Or the one who said a woman can make a baby go away in their womb? How about Tom DeLay? Remember, he looked into the eyes of Jesus who told him it was okay to run a slavery mill in Saipan. Who do you think they're preaching to btw? Where did the above cartoon come from? Is that guy delusional too? Hey listen, all I'm saying is the South is a very large voting block. They are radical about their politics and religion. Right now, it's the very same faction that has our government shut down, paralyzing and mucking up the whole country again. This is all observation. I'm seeing what's in front of me. But, hey, I hope I'm wrong. How's that? I really do. Read Shooz's comments below. Look at the cartoon up there again. And then ask yourself, "What if he were right?" Just consider it.
I agree most of what you state above is totally insane. But you have to not confuse the people with what their elected leaders do.
The vast majority in this country dont like any of it. They aren't involved, and dont really care because they feel the system is screwed. Less than half vote (a couple hours of work once every 1,460 days. Less than 25% participate in midterms, and action that requires a couple hours of work once every 730 days.
I live in Tampa. Florida gets beat up pretty hard here. But I can tell you that the people here, in this city, are just as liberal as the ones in Rochester, another very liberal city. Phoenix AZ was one of the most liberal places Ive ever lived.
It just seems pretty much the same whereever Ive lived. Go far into the city and its rough, with a ton of issues and lots of apathy. Each city has its pockets of very liberal people, but mainly normal. Get out of it and around it, and you get the typical American, registered perhaps one way or another (the most registrations in the country are "Independent" - most dont realize thats an actual party but thats a conversation for another time. Suburbia, the same thing. Get past suburbia, and away from the city and you get into conservative land, a few pockets of extreme conservative but usually just more normal people.
But the headlines are always dominated by the idiots.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-14/why-are-so-many-counties-trying-to-secede-from-their-states
Heres a 5000 signed petition for NH to secede: http://freekeene.com/2012/11/16/nh-secession-petition-closes-in-on-5000-signatures/
Theres no doubt that our resident cartoonist has an angle its trying to push. Just like there is no doubt a very religious voting block in the south.
Just lets not group everyone together, regardless of whats what, based on a few extremists on whatever issue there is.
Almost 50% of the country voted for mittens -
HE LIED
but
THEY VOTED FOR HIM
ditto rick scott
ditto scott walker
ditto rick perry
ditto almost every Rs candidate I've heard in the last few years
"The" American problem is not the Rs candidates
"The" American problem is the lemmings who vote for them
three "Republicans" I respect:
Michael Steel Steve Latourette Stephen Schmidt
Why on earth you would respect those three is beyond me.
Here's a quick note- THEY ALL LIE. Its why they dont let anyone else in the debates.
all pols lie - so do we
but those three are the best Rs I have seen in a while
have you hear anything those 3 have said in the last 12 months?
No. Are they addressing the bailouts, the TPP, monsanto and offshore tax havens?
Are they raising hell?
Are they in the streets with the people?
Or are they more bureaucrats acting in self interest for a cushy job?
Just because those three dont "work" the streets does not mean they are doing nothing. Your route is not the only one.
Those three are ALL Rs
And they all worked against the shutdoww.
I'm sure they put in plenty of meetings in between the lobster dinners and what not.
I lived in Tampa for 2 years. It was like paradise compared to Georgia. I would call it a temperate place. Like Phoenix, where I've also been. That means it's not radical, to me. I've enjoyed my stay in both places immensely. And let's note that they are red states. But you can't tell me not to group people and then go and group them yourself. Both articles you cite are very lame ..meaning not the same. You'd like to believe there's nothing behind the monsters we see in politics. The South has shown it's colors again and again and again. Everything is NOT the same everywhere you go. In fact, the articles you cite, THOSE are the pockets. The South is NOT a pocket. You cite from emotion. I cite from fact. You are a quasi person. You like to sit on the fence. Maybe there's a lot of nice things you can say about Nazis.
" How well is Occupy doin' in the South? Answer: they're not."
"you just described the entire South."
We got 400 together for March on Monsanto. How many did you get? Quotes like those are the kind of gross lumping that I'm talking about. I never said its all the same 100%, Im saying its all the same for the most part. Culture in general in the states has been watered down, corporations and media running the entire show.
Where do you currently live?
and let me add this; there's plenty of liberal pockets in the South. In my experience, not one would admit it freely-not short of their life depending on it. the conservatives up North speak freely, and no one holds it against them. I stand behind behind my gross lumping. But, feel free to correct me. If these 400 were all Southerners, that's a good thing. But, I need more. You see, the more bad you do, the more good you need to do to be vindicated.
Glad to hear it. And if I stand corrected, I apologize. When I lived in Atlanta, I went to 3 monthly meetings. There was a good group the first time. It was good fun. The next two...no one showed, not one person. Look at all the marches in the 60s. Not one took place in the South. I've traveled all over the South and I've seen the rhetoric and the propaganda and the bullshit ... Missouri, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia. Grossly lumped and deservedly so. You find that kind of crap NOWHERE else, (give or take a few children of the corn). So, to put it as you would have the South is everywhere. I can assure you, nothing could be further from the truth.
I checked the post you noted above about Keene, NH. It's more of a joke succession blog. It's not an actual state government with idiots being paid tax dollars to have an actual vote. Keene is a small town in NH. In as much, it seems they would liked to viewed as a haven from the madness, and separate as such. It's a little vacation town. Not the same as the Georgia succession even remotely. Not the same as the successions of the Civil War. I like your spirit of debate but I think you know, and if it's not a given, I'd have no idea why, that by saying "the South," I'm not implying absolutely everyone in the South. But there's that core of Evil...the politicians and the politics that raises it's ugly head again and again. Therefore, my position is not the South is bad. It's more why don't you stand up to these whackos and let them know where you really stand. I'm from everywhere. Why would I be partial one way or the other? But, if it's it in the North, or the South, I'm the nazi hunter. I will call you out.
"it seems they would liked to viewed as a haven from the madness"
That I can respect very much.
"you just described the entire South."
That ones a bit tougher to swallow, but I agree with your statement for the most part.
you're right. I can imagine that'd be hard to swallow. I'd be wrong in saying the whole South. Georgia was my main experience and those folks can be a real hard pill to swallow. But I did see troubling things in surrounding states. But, I have no ill memories of Tennessee. They heard my yankee accent but didn't ask or lecture me on politics or religion and I did offer up any. That's fine. I can handle that. So, I withdraw the bit about the whole South. There's some fine people down there, and smart people, I'm sure. But, I've just had several experiences with several radicals who wore their politics and religion on their sleeve. But, how could I know about the whole South? I couldn't. So, I stand corrected and apologize. I shouldn't have gone that far with my assertions. But, some them polly-tishuns down there gitz me so mad! If I'll look up that Monsanto crowd and make sure to applaud them for their efforts. Thanks for the spirited debate!
The first line says you don't hate Southerners. Then you spend the rest of your post slamming them. I don't deny southern folks have southern pride. Nothing wrong with identifying with your roots. Along the same lines I always thought New Yorkers were arrogant, like they think NYC is the center of the universe. But being proud of NYC is no different than having southern pride. I was born and raised in Texas and I'm proud of my State. My point is there's nothing wrong with being proud of your roots, doesn't matter where your from.
You're stereotyping, Nobody alive today ever owned a slave or was a slave. Get over it, Bowuh
You're getting better, bowuh. I don't hate them but I'll slam and slam and slam. I knew your colors would show, btw. I'm critical shall we say. The South has been a bane to this country all along it's history. It's past is sordid and there's no pride to be had from it. I'm critical, you're the one who came in attacking. You're the hate-filled bitch. That's ok, because the truth hurts. Suck on that truth bowuh. You and your ilk can go on trying to destroy this country and I'll piss on you the whole way.
The South will rise again. You can count on it. Starbucks hipsters like you will bad mouth everyone who isn't as in vogue as you think you are. So, You stay in NYC and I'll stay in Texas, and we'll both be happy. Works for me.
Are you trying to be funny Narley??
Wanna talk about how the south HATES unions?
Wanna talk about flags?
How about Texas exceptionalism?
Wanna talk about Southern attempts at voter suppression?
Wanna talk about YOUR hate of Detroit?
You have no room to talk about hate in others.
Thank God! Someone who can SEE a few things right in FRONT OF HIM. More power to ya!
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We'll see how he reacts. It certainly stirred up the trolls.
But then, they hate and believe the same things.
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Did you see the current Time Magazine cover? The article says Texas is the future. I concur. It’s not perfect, but apparently it’s good enough for the millions of people that are moving here.
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2154995,00.html
By the way, I've never said I hate Detroit. What I have said several times is that Detroit is a dieing city. It's beyond saving. That's just the way it is.
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Oh Narley, I don't give a crap what Time says.
I care about what you say.
And you just said death to Detroit.
If that's not HATE on some 700,000 people, I don't know what is.
Stop your hate.
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No, I don't hate Detroit. More like indifference. Never been to Detroit and have no plans to go. Detroit simply doesn't enter my mind until you bring it up. I only know what I read in the news. Probably similar to your opinion of Texas
You are increasingly insufferable.
You still confuse "opinion" with reality.
And then you pretend indifference?
Your HATE has been and remains obvious.
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And you are increasingly in denial. I can understand you liking where you live. But you need to face reality. Detroit is a bankrupt, rundown city, with high crime. That is an absolute fact. To think otherwise is simple denial.
Face it Detroit is done. It's not going to recover. That's just the way it is. I'm not being mean, I'm just telling the truth.
http://www.alternet.org/investigations/texas-prisons-14-people-have-died-after-being-forced-endure-120-degree-heat
Nuf said??
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Hmmmmm.
Actually the highest crime State is Tennessee.
Will you now speak evil of them and call them useless?
Should Tennessee be "done"?
Do you want to talk about West?
You want to talk about low wages in Texas?
Oh well, it looks like you will be getting a new governor anyway.
We'll talk more about women's rights in Texas after that time.
Denial.
Really?
That's your best thing.
You think Detroit is going to dry up and go away?
You're deluded too.
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You can try to change the topic, but the bottom line is everything I stated about Detroit is an undeniable fact, and you know it.
[-] -2 points by Narley (-696) 11 hours ago
Facts are facts dear lady. Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't change the facts. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
Narley, the only thing that you that you have managed to demonstrate is willful ignorance. Cutting back services and, specifically cops, will lead to an increase in crime. These people have purposely worked towards privatizing all aspects of government towards their own end. Bankruptcy was not the only option.
You know that. I know that you know that. You know that I know that you know that.
You're damn lucky that you have someone here that is willing to listen to your line of shit. I won't.
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I have no idea why Detroit is bankrupt and in squallier. I just know that it's on it's last legs.
As I said in a previous post, I could care less about Detroit. I think about Detroit about as much as I do Indianapolis, which is never. The only reason I even mention Detroit is because shooz keeps ragging on me and talking about how great Detroit is. But it isn't great at all.
What else don't you think about?
As to Detroit, I've explained what happened. You just don't listen.
I suppose that's because it takes a great deal of your existing brain power to ignore what's actually happening in Texas.
Here's another for you to ignore.
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/texas-judge-almost-blocked-voting-due-new-strict-voter-id-law
I have no idea why Detroit is bankrupt and in squallier.
Yes. Yes, you do.
Not really, this is you avoiding facts and issues.
You talk about high crime, but ignore the State with the worst record.........just to attack Detroit........again.
Then there's all facts about Texas you refuse to address.
Here's the latest.
http://www.alternet.org/investigations/texas-prisons-14-people-have-died-after-being-forced-endure-120-degree-heat
and then there's
http://www.alternet.org/dallas-police-shoot-mentally-ill-man-standing-street
Nothing you've said about Detroit is true.............nothing.
Things that have been said about Texas, are supported by facts and links.
"The door of a bigoted mind opens outwards so that the only result of the pressure of facts upon it is to close it more snugly." — Ogden Nash
This one's shut rather tightly.
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Facts are facts dear lady. Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't change the facts.
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Sigh, OK, let’s do this point by point.
Is Detroit bankrupt? Yes.
Is Detroit a run down, decaying city? Yes
Does Detroit have high crime? Yes
Is Detroit likely to ever recover? No
The first three questions and answers above are irrefutable facts. The last question is my opinion, based on the most likely outcome. I’m sorry, you may not like it, those are the cold hard facts.
Point by point, you've shown your HATE for Detroit once again.
A (R)epelican't, teabagge(R), tyrant, demanded the bankruptcy. You just ignore all the links that proved it.
There's lots of places in Texas just as run down. the projected terminus of the XL, has been linked to here and once again ignored by you.
Tennessee is the proven leader in violent crime, not Michigan. NOLA is the leader in city crime.
Why aren't you deriding them at every chance you get?
Please define what you consider a "recovery".
All of your "factoids" have been refuted.
Now would you like to talk about West?
How about all those heat deaths?
Nope.......you're in complete denial.
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I don't hate anybody. Not even you. Already too much hate on this forum. It needs to stop somewhere. I challenge you to also stop the hate.
I'll take that for a no.
Your HATRED of Detroit and unions are obvious.
I did challenge you to stop your hate, you adamantly refused.
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Where do you live?
"neo-confederate neo-christian neo-reublican"....and the 'neo-liberal' politicians in both parties....
Will be no match for the neo-enlightened.
generally, I dont like labels, but this cartoon seemed like it demanded a label labels group people - and people are not groups
my "neo-confederate" = states rights advocates
my "neo-christian" = Jesus would despise them
my "neo-republican" = Ike would despise them
how do you define "neo liberal" ? what do you think of Bernie ?
Bernie Sanders? He's wonderful. I wish we had more like him and if we did, neither of us would probably be here now. My definition of "neo liberal" very basically is a system which puts the interests of the big banks and corporations far ahead of the people's interests.
there are around 100 reps in Washington that support HJR29 and similar ( including Bernie ) this could eliminate most corruption in government
but until the House is rid of the 1% supporters, it will not move
If you look, you will find many who are [ almost ] as good as Bernie
There have been good government groups who have tried to clean government up for years. The bills put before Congress to "eliminate most corruption in government" may even become law, but like the Dodd Frank bill they get so watered down, that what transpires is feel good legislation that on the surface sounds good, but in reality it isn't, because it is so full of loop-holes that the law becomes virtually worthlless.