Forum Post: Need clarification - Who is the enemy here?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 10:26 p.m. EST by curious7981
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I'm trying to find out as much information as I can about what this is all about. I've been reading a lot but there are some things that aren't clear to me or I haven't found information discussing it. My first question is who is the enemy here? I know that you say it's the 1% but who ARE they? Are we talking wall street/corporations? Are we talking Gov't? Or both? Knowing and recognizing the enemy is important. Who do we expect to respond? Some examples would be great. I have a lot of other questions. But that's a good start. I realize that it can be difficult to pinpoint an end result right now as raising awareness of a problem is a first step and through awareness and education you can collective come to conclusions but what is the ultimate goal? Is there a FAQ page? I have one suggestion - a resources section would be great so those of us that are looking to educate (in a truly balanced way) ourselves on all the complexities have a place to start. Thank you.
http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/10/1964809/dont-let-occupy-wall-street-be-hijacked
Thanks for the responses. I have been reading information for hours. Whoa, my head is spinning...it seems things with business, politics, law etc. are over complicated on purpose so they are hard to understand. And as mentioned, I have more questions lol. Are we holding the government accountable for letting their people end up this way? I mean, didn't they play a part in it? Doesn't our Gov't regulate the corps? If so then we should be upset with the Gov't rather than corporations right? Just trying to understand.
This doesn't seem like one cohesive group. Is there a page the lists what this movement is about? I've been searching this website for about 30 minutes and I'm still not clear what is being fought... It almost seems like a bunch of people who are mad about a bunch of different things.... Some of the points even contradict each other. I am very confused. Could somebody make a summary page or something. I hate to use the term.... but a "mission statement"? Something. I don't know how anything can actually be accomplished without some kind of clarity. It's more like anarchy for the sake of anarchy (yes, redundant, I know). Unless this is just a place to blow off steam?
This doesn't seem like one cohesive group. Is there a page the lists what this movement is about? I've been searching this website for about 30 minutes and I'm still not clear what is being fought... It almost seems like a bunch of people who are mad about a bunch of different things.... Some of the points even contradict each other. I am very confused. Could somebody make a summary page or something. I hate to use the term.... but a "mission statement"? Something. I don't know how anything can actually be accomplished without some kind of clarity. It's more like anarchy for the sake of anarchy (yes, redundant, I know). Unless this is just a place to blow off steam?
Check the link after the edit mark on this page for a working list of goals http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/
and this Warning from the original Tea Party before it got hijacked http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-open-letter-and-warning-from-a-former-tea-party/
Our enemy is the current establishment.
The 1% is the property owners and the owners to your labor.
Get this guy gawdoftruth out of here...
There is no single enemy. But for conversation sake, it's the institution/way of thought that brought us where we are today. A world where:
....points don't really relate to each other, but thats ok... this world's wrongs spread all over
We are talking about wall st banks and corporations that rule the govt thru money. The true enemy is complacency and not using the power of THE PEOPLE. this a movement to awaken THE PEOPLE.
The Federal Reserve is enemy #1. They are a private banking institution that loans money to the Federal Government and the people of this country. They devalue our dollar by using the Treasury to print money to save their brethren, the large banks and corporations, and lay the burden of paying that off on that 99% that is spoken of on here so often. We pay through our higher taxes, our higher cost of goods and our devaluing currency which was never ours in the first place. We have no control over the value of our currency even though we put in the labor to provide the wealth for these banks and corporations. I'm sick and tired of it. Tired of being lied to. Tired of worrying about my children's future. Tired of the game. The Fed needs to be abolished. They have too much control over our government. When they are gone the corporations will have less influence on government and there may be a chance to hold them accountable for their actions.
Welcome!
Check the link after the edit mark on this page for a working list of goals http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/
and this Warning from the original Tea Party before it got hijacked http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-open-letter-and-warning-from-a-former-tea-party/
Example: Donald Chump
corporate oligarchy- the system- is the enemy.
sorry, i do know exactly what feudalism is. You trying to talk about its main features and then say that other features of feudalism are not the feudalism is silly. The dominant or single most relevant point is land ownership, certainly, but there are other features of feudalism, one of which is most certainly taxes, and to the point, by definition taxation as such begins in feudal systems. It is remarkably futile and silly to argue with me. It would be wiser to stop and take your opportunity to chat with the DJIN. capitalism is ALSO a system which has NEVER existed.
the core issues; 1. Corporate Personhood. 2. Caste Warfare; they started it. 3. Its legal to lie to the USA public. 4. They are OUR airwaves. They should be used for WETHEPEOPLE not leased by the government to corporations. Put Local colleges in charge of all the media. Arrest and seize all mass media devices and then give those devices straight out to the local colleges, including the land they sit on. We need education public media; not legalized lying and propaganda wars against the people. 5. Education reform. Everyones being kept stupid and ignorant on purpose in school and repugnicons want to argue about how to pay or punish teachers. We need child centered education reform, not a con scam to privatize education and thus score all our children for corporate zombotification. 6. Free market system. Not slave market system. Not caste market system. Not Caste warfare market system. Not rigged Casino. Not making something off of nothing and making bubbles to grease a gravy train either. Free market system. We must have one of those. Its time to have one of those. We have NEVER YET had one of those. 7. Realistic regulation of the government to regulate and control corporations so that what they do is fair and just and ethical and under control instead of a parade of unleashed godzillas turning the masses into to toe jam. 8. Real and direct representation, including no more lobbying, and including an evolutionary use of the internet with organized forums and wikis replacing the old style of congressional/ mayoral office.
"Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money"
nope. taxation period of any kind is merely and only a means to the end of creating a caste system. And even deeper, taxation dynamically entropizes a system, so its not only not necessary to regulate money, its the single largest entropic contributor to the system. The ONLY reason why we pay taxes is thats the feudal system; the idea that we pay anything remotely approaching the same thing or fair to what the rich pay is preposterous. The whole point of taxes is to distribute wealth from the poor to the rich. period.
gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
"the end goal product should be that every small community takes care of its own. Any federal system is a problem definition of something requiring more serious attention to solve. long term social programs managed by nation sized meta entities is a disaster not only socially and civilly but to the people who get third rate borg social services. A well functioning system does not need a welfare system, it only has a highly evolved net which catches people and only involves less than one percent of the population at any given time, not punishing but rehabing and educating folks. Until such time as that end goal is achieved, no hand outs is a paradox... you have to spend time and thus money in order to fix the problems till their fixed past needing time or money."
"Why aren't u in office???"
aspergers syndrome. you want to run,? i can ghost write your platform? :)
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"Understood we need more ideas then politicians anyway. The fixes are so simple but so difficult to get implemented."
↧ gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
i'm running for chief of staff. bit early to announce yet since i have no clue whos running on my ticket for president?
http://forums.keller2012.com/index.php i created this forum org structure. but scott keller turned out to be an idiot.
your still missing the point. your playing with math. your right. its something more like the 99.99 percent. There are 4000 or 100,000 persons depending on wether we are talking the inner or outer circle of oligarchs keeping the rest of us trapped in a "capitalism" Hotel California con scam. While you can climb upward from the bottom there are increasingly more powerful glass cielings. And on fact one of the effects of the recent bush era caste war changes is that the people who imagined themselves to be in the inside are amongst those that are losing it all. The real question is not how YOU define it. The real question is; as a system org structure, how does it operate? Thats 100 thousand peeps keeping 3 million peeps as cattle.
From what I can tell, "they" and the "1%" are proxies for "anyone who has more than me", regardless of the origin of their relative wealth. The solution, it seems, in response to the perceived inequity is "give it to me"
Did i miss anything?
We aren't asking for handouts we are asking to be represented. We want basic necessities for providing the labor that drives this country. What handouts.