Forum Post: My Pathetic Generation
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 10:23 a.m. EST by GetAGrip
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As part of this pathetic generation, I have seen for years that the concept of hard work has been completely lost on us. There are jobs out there if you're willing to pick your stinky, dreaded behind off of the Wall Street sidewalk, let your artificially inflated ego take a tiny hit, put a shirt and tie on and work your way up. Our grandparents saw real hardship. They had to worry about where the next meal would come because Dad got laid of from the plant. Meanwhile you losers crap outside of people's apartments, eat granola, and beat on drums because you've racked up too much student debt and won't settle for anything less than middle management... Cut your hair, put together a resume, and get a grip.
Sincerely, Disappointed
You have no idea what is going on in the financial system, do you?
Your view is very limited. You're generalizing millions of people. That is not sensible debate, and is certainly not a well balanced opinion.
hey idiots did you know north dakota has 3% unemployment and has thousands of oil rig jobs waiting to be filled that pay 60k+? or is there no ipad stores in the area so you cant live there?
I have to agree with you. There's places in this country with plenty of jobs and good pay but people need to willing to move there. Unfortunately, they don't. North Dakota and Alaska are two states with plenty of employment.
its true i got offered to start at 120k$/year oj a rig at the lowest rank 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. but theres actually so many opportunities there i passed it up for later and went to college. but let the sheeple complain it just means we can reap the spoils while they whine and moan about no jobs, even in minnesota right next to ND its like.....pathetic.... the attitude i see with other people my age concerning jobs. if you need other people to take care of you then go lick the hand that feeds you dogs and i hope history forgets that you were ever americans.
THIS GUY! knows what he's talking about. Maybe if you didn't smoke so much pot in high school and got good grades you wouldn't have gotten scholarships and wouldn't have student loans to pay off. I know I don't have any to pay off. Also because my parents are putting me through college.I'm the first person in my family to go to college. My parents who didn't go to college and worked their way from the bottom to both have 100k a year jobs now.
Huh Huh !
Oh yea? Where are all these jobs you retards keep talking about? Your clueless man go away!
Some folks just like to pretend they a strict parent talking down to the foolish, naive, conceited masses. I think it all stems from their own perceived inferiority and inadequacy. If they bite the bullet and work 50+ hours for $25,000 per year...then dammit, so should you!
I already have a "job" but just for argument's sake if all the kids in the park get jobs, including the ones who already have jobs, will all these issues be resolved?
https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/
Privately held, debt-based, fractional reserve, fiat currency corrupts our system at its roots. Hippie haters who are successful slaves to the system won't take the effort to learn that the Federal (not) Reserve (none) system is inherently unfair and corrupt--not to mention unconstitutional. Your 401k is at risk. Will you make the effort to learn?
I think it is you who needs to get a grip, on reality.
Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
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Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link above, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. Sequence is key.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link, so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for by e-mail from the group in the 2nd link, and then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the strategy of the 1st link as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your Occupation & Generation.
EXACTLY.
My father escaped war and famine in a third world country. He and his parents were literally fired upon as they made their escape by boat. The family lost everything and was living in a converted pig-sty for a while. He studied hard. Knew no English, but taught himself by memorizing dictionaries. He eventually aced the SATs, and was accepted into an American university. To save on tuition, he studied hard to finish a four-year degree in three years. At the same time, he worked as a janitor to pay his tuition. He never complained. He put his head down and studied. 4.0 average. He became a multimillionaire (doctor) and is now retired.
I am absolutely disgusted by the young hipster protesters. They grow up in a first world country, don't study hard, and are somehow entitled to a nice cushy job after securing nothing but a liberal arts degree? All the advantages they have over someone like my father they piss away. Instead of studying hard at college (and choosing an employable major), the time is spent partying (or protesting) and simply treated as a way to delay adulthood by 4 years.
There are plenty of good jobs out there. Demand for engineers, scientists, and computer scientists is at an all-time high. Yet America has to import students and scientists from China and India because our kids are too lazy and entitled to study these (relatively more) difficult subjects. Innovation and entrepreneurship - the heart of America's dominance is fading away because our kids whining and smoking weed at Wall St. instead of working hard. No wonder China and India are going to kick our asses this century.
There's only 2 jobs.
Be exploited, or exploit others.
Not interested. Would rather do something else.
First, I have two degrees, a pile of student loans, AND I have have a job. I may be a lucky anomaly. It sounds like you have worked hard to get where you are, and so have I. So I tend to agree with you when you say that our parents and grand parents saw real hardship, and worked through it. BUT...
These people (hippies though they might be) have a very real argument about the position of big banks and the so called "1%" that are reaping the fruits of the labor supplied by the other 99%. Unfortunately, this may just be human nature. Its not the first time this has happened in history, and it wont be the last.
For everyone's sake, yours included, please try to see the thread of justice(thin though it might be) that underlies what this movement can represent.
You are part of this generation. And like it or not we're sharing the world with a bunch of people we would not necessarily break bread with. But I would fight injustice with anyone. Please keep your cool, try to identify the real issues and contribute your valuable insights.
Again, I'm with you. I think there is a "poor me" thing going on with alot of the hanger oners to this movement. But the peopel who started this are intelligent and are justly attempting to fight terrible corruption and environmental disaster.
Keep working hard, Amigo. I know I will. And when the time comes to fight a real fight...I hope your there with us!
S
The problem I see with the endorsement of the philosophy that people should just get a job and "work your way up" is that the amount of jobs are so limited in the upper portion of the job market.
Menial labor--which I realize is a demeaning term--is a necessary position in our society. Unsurprisingly, these are the most abundant jobs in our economy. That's how it is, and that's probably how it will always be. The problem with this is that these menial labor positions don't often provide enough money for a sustainable living.
Can you imagine if everyone worked their way up from a grocer to a manager? There would be plenty of super markets but no one to work in them. We NEED the menial laborers in order for our society to run efficiently. I'm not sure why we demean these people with such troubling wages.
Do I think these people should be paid as much as a CEO? No. But they shouldn't have to spend 90% of their paycheck on housing.
This reminds me of the diamond-water paradox.
We need water to live and yet it is cheaper than a diamond which is a luxury good of almost no use. The reason water is cheaper is because it is so plentiful while diamonds are rare. But, if we were to be in an emergency and there were only 4 bottles left then a rational person would trade the diamonds for the water.
increasing the pay on menial labor will cause inflation and not solve the problem. maybe washington should stop passing laws that cause the cost of living from increasing. but have you thought about thtat? No.
connect minimum wage to the inflation index
No, I have thought about that.
That's why I suggested the problem isn't necessarily just what they're making, but what they are making in relation to what they spend on housing.
I disagree that increasing the pay on menial labor will cause inflation. You would then have to suggest that the government is printing more money to pay these workers (most of whom would be employed by private companies) to pay these workers their increased salary.
However, the simpler solution would be to stop the manufactured increase of living costs and decrease the economic inequality among the classes. However, if housing costs go down, I believe the inequality among the economic classes will go down naturally.
Actually, yes it would solve the problem, even taking inflation into account. Expanding the customer base = economic expansion.
The monetary base has fucking exploded, "inflation" is just an imaginary number based on the DISTRIBUTION of wealth. Prices would actually begin to reflect THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF $ IN THE ECONOMY.
"They had to worry about where the next meal would come because Dad got laid of from the plant."
Um, you're not reading people's situations that sound precisely like this one? Open your eyes. We're not fighting for OURSELVES, we're fighting for our children's futures. If you could organize your thoughts in a forward manner, instead of facing the sidewalk that you claim we need to lift ourselves up off of, you might better understand the problems that EXIST AROUND you. Perhaps that don't EFFECT YOU.
I work in a gas station and while I am at school, I'm a facebook administrator for Big Brothers Big Sisters. My fiance also works for them, and cleans toilets in an amusement park during the summer. WE WORK. But we will STILL have over 80,000$ in debt by the time we finish our education. That is NOT acceptable for ANYONE. It does not bode well for our FUTURES. It's not about the here and now. Our jobs are meaningless, and countless other jobs are meaningless, because they are merely OCCUPATIONS. In fact, they are wage slavery.
You really ought to look outside of your own particular circumstances. You may have a job and a secure standard of living, but the fact remains, many of your fellow human beings in this country do not. You don't have to care about them or anyone but yourself (as you apparently don't), but at least have the integrity not to criticize us with your blatant, foolish hypocrisy.
sooo your solution is.....? bring down the banks that financed your college so you could have a better life. way to associate your self with occupy wallstreet
No. lol That's not my solution.
For starters here, there is not one bank that is providing me any form of aid for college. I have no PRIVATE loans. I have subsidized and unsubsidized direct stafford loans. I have pell and CT aid grants. The pell grant is federally funded, the CT Aid grant is state funded and both of my loans come directly from the U.S. Department of Education.
I should not have to teach you these things. If you're going to have a debate or argument with me, please make fewer assumptions (about my finances or anyone elses, particularly) and form an intelligent opinion based on knowledge or research.
Secondly, I have no interest in "bringing down" anyone. What a ridiculous statement you've made! lol I simply want to compromise and find a solution to these issues that benefit all parties involved. There is a serious distribution (of power) issue in our country.
i hear you even if the OP doesnt
You are terrified of this.
I did cut my hair...i did put on a suit..and i am willing to work hard at any job that pays enough money to put a roof over my kids head, and food on the table. Yet the only jobs out there are in China. Maybe instead of going to school to be come a Pharmacy Technician trained in IV compounding, and Chemotherapy compounding i should have just learned how to speak Chinese. That appears to be what your telling people because at this point there are 100 applications to every low paying job out there, and even in my field there are 15 interviewees to every job opening. In other countries your average CEO makes 15 to 20 dollars to every 1 dollar the workers do. In the US however they make 500+ to 1, and yet they can't seam to find a way to grow business in a way that allows them to pay workers a good wage, and hire more people. Your grandparents didn't have People like President Reagan advocating a near total removal of all the regulations that protected them and their wages, and change the financial flow of the country from the bottom 99% to the top 1%. Trickle down economics are a failed experiment if you really want the country to succeed stop sitting here telling us we are not willing to do the work, and help us get back to the way things were during your grand parents time where the money flowed from the bottom up.
to the original poster - what the fuck does the tie you wear or the length of your hair matter??? where should they send these resumes? india? china?
So this is all just made up: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1
?
http://www.collapsenet.com/free-resources/collapsenet-public-access/item/4392-we-are-legion
That's what's up
i am disappointed in the beliefs that anyone owes anyone anything.. These are signs of laziness and self hatred. If one got up and worked hard.. Blazed their own path and open up businesses of their own, this would not have happened.. Instead... they are all defeatists.
You're suggesting opening up businesses that would be shut down due to protectionist legislation written by lobbyists for major corporations?
Read up on things like a girls' lemonade stand being shut down for failing to fill out paperwork, or how patent trolls have been stifling software development or how opponents to net neutrality would force out mom & pop websites.
This movement is not about supporting whiners. It's about eliminating corporate welfare and forcing them to work honestly.
Thats awesome.. but it has to be taken up with the legal forms of Government. Where does the welfare come from? The government, where are regulations made, to control these businesses. Government.
It is not enough what we do here. We have to take it to our local governments. Vote for people, run for offices. Make changes that will effect the entire country for the better within our established for of Government.
That, or watch as America dies, because the MOBS, will do just that. Anarchy is what happens when you do not follow an establishment of rules. The business have been allowed for too long to get away with this. We have to, under the guidelines of Government, establish change. If our elected officials will do nothing about it, then we oust them. We have the right, under the constitution to empeach any official we deam as unfit. We have to organize and vote them out under special elections, and then we can proceed to make true lasting changes. But what we need, is a leader. Who will be the ones to take over?
We're still building our numbers and our infrastructure. When it's time, some people will be embraced by a majority and they'll rise up thru the ranks. We're not there yet. Give it time. Right now, we need to be inclusive and build numbers. The more of us there are, the greater our influence and impact when we do act.
Patent reform got watered down by both sides, but patents are provided for in the constitution. Patent and Copyright both need to be addressed, there's no reason it should be 99 years before works enter the public domain. That is far above and beyond the original intent.
However, how the hell would net neutrality force out mom & pop websites? The intent of net neutrality is to PROTECT mom & pop sites from discrimination by the cartel created by government of telco + cable for internet service.
This completely irrational left vs right tug of war that lets government create a monopoly on a service that benefits everyone, and then basically HAND IT OVER to private interest with no oversight whatsoever has to stop. If there is a situation where a universal access benefits from economy of scale, and a monopoly is the best option, then REGULATE THE SHIT OUT OF IT. If not, let the market do its thing.
read my post again. I said, "opponents to net neutrality"
oh lol my bad
I work hard, I own my own business, i blazed my own trail. I still pay exorbitant fees to my bank, i still pay taxes that arent used for anything worthwhile to the average citizen, my social security is still at risk. I know the war is about oil and am pissed that we are behind the rest of the western world for reducing co2 and moving away from gasoline. im pissed that american farmers are being shut down in lawsuits from monsanto, im pissed that most of the upper echelon of our government are former corporate execs, im pissed that everywhere i turn is some morbidly obese person with a cheeseburger stuffed in their face and handicapped plates on their two cars as they motor around the grocery store buying cookies to help wash down their diabetes meds.
if you think this country doesnt have BIG problems that need dealing with right now, and that this movement is not an expression of outrage against the apathy, i feel VERY VERY sorry for you.
I also pay those same taxes, and they are out of control.. I agree with everything yousaid here, however, to stop this, we have toatke it to the government.. local state and DC.. Protesting is not enough.. to instill real change, we have to do it at a federal and local level within the Government.
no its not enough, but it is a fundamental right under the constitition and more importantly, it is a start. two people cant take anything to the government, two thousand can, so why discourage the people who are here asking people to pay attention.
I dont know about you, but i do not have a million dollars to use for lawyers to take a case up to the supreme court privately.
You cant change anything alone, we are stronger together, the generation sitting in the park have as much to lose as we do. These arent JUST a bunch of new age hippies, these are working people and kids in college looking at $100k in loans and a failing job market. There isnt one person in this country who couldnt benefit from a better government (whether they like it or not).
That is true.. I agree. But now that there is a voice.. It nees to be unified, coherent, and disiplined. We need eachother.. And we need to get the fatcats out of office.
it does need to be unified, coherent, and disciplined, but unfortunately you have just described the opposite of what most americans are.
hard choices are exactly that... hard. unification starts in the mind and the action, for the doctor to stand beside the laborer and realize they have similar problems. the coherence will come, the discipline will come as long as we dont stay home and do nothing.
i would say to anybody who thinks that this group does not represent all of us, that the reason for that is they have not gone down there to be represented.
Then weed out the ones that are doing things like taking a crap on the American flag, and dissing America.
We have to stand UNITED .. United as a country, as the People of the United States. Not as the people who hate our country and would defile a symbol of what hundreds of thousands have gave there lives for. Though the movement is just, it carries horrible anchors that would prevent true change.
If i had a nickel for every time someone said america is the greatest country in the world, i'd be a 1%. we stopped being the greatest country in the world a long time ago, right about the time we stopped questioning our government and let some company buy our free press. the just wars of yesteryear are not the wars of today.
The fact that the whole world sees us saying our system sucks is unavoidable. the flag is a symbol, always has been. the real question is what does that flag mean today? and does it deserve the worlds respect anymore? OUR companies are killing people worldwide and here, driving economies and cultures into the ground worldwide and here. the most offensive crap on the flag was not put there by some kid.
I dont agree with the effigy of stepping on the flag, burning the flag, crapping on the flag or whatever, but i let it go so it does not derail me from the larger point, the larger problem.
Do you think that defiling the flag would be happening if the problem behind it did not exist? my energy is better spent fixing the problem than the symptom, and so is yours.
The only way this effigy or any other will prevent true change is if people let it be an excuse to not change. And remember that most people don't want to change if its not going to be easy.
I wouldnt weed out these guys, they had the nerve to speak out, whether i like what or how they said it is irrelevant. they got people talking. Do you think you and i would be talking if it werent for this?
I cant equate the rights won in the civil war or ww1 or 2 with what is happening today that is NOT what thousands upon thousands of soldiers have given their lives for lately. I am offended on every level as a human being that our soldiers have died because some oil exec wants a pay raise and car manufacturers in the US have failed to produce a car that doesnt need it. the terrorism of the american people is happening right here at home.
Well said, my friend. Cheers to people who see the elephant in the living room.