Forum Post: My Demandd
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 9:40 p.m. EST by Duuuuuuude
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I demand that we do everything in our power to make people not want to be productive. Let's take the fruits of their labor and give them to those who don't feel like working. Let's take those who took the time to be great at something and expoit their ability for the benefit of all. After all, it's the able and willing who should be responsible for the unable an unwilling, amirite?!?!
You think the ability break mortgages into tranches and sell the worst ones as AAA rated paper is a "benefit of all". These people are rich only for the reason that their companies took investor/public money and used it to pay our politicians to vote to de-regulate them more to make more money. How is the financial sector helping any of "all". Why shouldn't teachers make what wall st. execs make? they actually provide service to society. This is the lazy person/hard worker myth again. There are outliers, but most people are hardworking good people who have been screwed by a system that has been bought by corporations. If you have a job you are lucky and have had help.
Corporate Free Speech There needs to be better corporate representation. Money is speech. Every individual, even individual stockholders, "ownership," has a right to free speech. Free speech means no one can force or prevent an individual's speech. Ownership has the right to direct the corporation's speech and political contributions. Majority control of contributions may violate an individual's free speech. Corporate management can speech for the corporation, but ownership needs to authorize that speech. No speech or money spent on political contributions may be made without ownership authorization and such contributions must be taken from the individual's dividends. No dividends means there is no allowance for contributions. Corporate management must poll the ownership to determine the amount and placement of all individual stockholder directed contributions. The assignment of all corporate contributions must be made public so that ownership can verify the correct placement of their contributions. Management can not make contributions on the behalf of nonresponsive ownership and thus can only make contributions for which they have been directly authorized.
Money is speech. Corporations are people, because people get the money. Free speech means people are not forced to pay for someone else's speech. Corporations may not force to pay or deny dividends, to a person who does not approve of money spent on speech. Corporations may only spend money on speech that is taken, by approval, from the people who get the money. Every person who gets money, from the corporation, must approve the money spent on speech, in order to protect the right to free speech. Since the money spent on speech is identifiable with a person then that money is subject to caps associated with that person and must be reported. Also, tax consequences flow, to each person, for tax exempt contributions. If the corporation feels that the cost of polling and reporting the money spent on speech is prohibitive, then the corporation is prohibited from spending on speech. Corporations spend money on product ads and any political placement in a product ad must have unanimous consent of ownership.
Sarcasm aside, these entitlements are getting out of control.
I saw some moron say that college education is a "human right".. not even making that up.
Hey, that was actually you, boss.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/my-taxes-are-too-damn-high-end-the-wars/#comment-12316
I've been hacked, bamboozeled!
This is New York. CUNY used to be free with open admissions. We did have "college education as a human right", just about. Also, state university tuition used to be much lower. Today everything is a money grab. That's the problem, as some of us see it.
I demand you spell Demandd with more d's. 3 is simply insufficient
I wanted to use "My Demand" but it was already taken. I'm not very creative.
oh c'mon, you could've easily channeled hulk hogan and made a list of demandments....wasted opportunity.
DAMMIT
bahahahaha
You guys called me a troll for disagreeing. I never got upset.
Speak duuude.. just don't get upset when people criticize what you say pull your pants back up. Valid points win.
There are plenty of jobs, people just aren't willing to take a job worse than their old one.
I have definetly taken a worse job than my old one. My new one pays more money but I spend to weeks at a time away from my family driving truck(it very menial) because I was laid off from teaching due to budget cuts...because you can't throw money at education. Blah blah
I'm glad that you found a job instead of moping and collecting unemployment like many others.
If there were more jobs there would be less unemployment. I have skills and it is hard as hell to get a job. I'm trying to get just a local driving job. I have DOD security clearances 8 yrs in the corps Bach in elementary Ed every driving endorsement you can think of. Still can't get one. But it's hard to get hired when you work two weeks at a time. But at least I got a job. If you got a good job hang on to it because it won't be there when you go back. Well I guess it depends on your occupation too. But not mine
Check the link after the edit mark on this page for a working list of goals http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/
and this Warning from the orignal Tea Party before it got hijacked http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-open-letter-and-warning-from-a-former-tea-party/
Why don't you give your job to the 99 % the unemployed will quickly take it troll
right to free speech?
Nobody told you that you couldn't talk? Or post ? Go ahead just dont cry when people don't like your opinions.
trolling.
sorry, i do know exactly what feudalism is. You trying to talk about its main features and then say that other features of feudalism are not the feudalism is silly. The dominant or single most relevant point is land ownership, certainly, but there are other features of feudalism, one of which is most certainly taxes, and to the point, by definition taxation as such begins in feudal systems. It is remarkably futile and silly to argue with me. It would be wiser to stop and take your opportunity to chat with the DJIN. capitalism is ALSO a system which has NEVER existed.
the core issues; 1. Corporate Personhood. 2. Caste Warfare; they started it. 3. Its legal to lie to the USA public. 4. They are OUR airwaves. They should be used for WETHEPEOPLE not leased by the government to corporations. Put Local colleges in charge of all the media. Arrest and seize all mass media devices and then give those devices straight out to the local colleges, including the land they sit on. We need education public media; not legalized lying and propaganda wars against the people. 5. Education reform. Everyones being kept stupid and ignorant on purpose in school and repugnicons want to argue about how to pay or punish teachers. We need child centered education reform, not a con scam to privatize education and thus score all our children for corporate zombotification. 6. Free market system. Not slave market system. Not caste market system. Not Caste warfare market system. Not rigged Casino. Not making something off of nothing and making bubbles to grease a gravy train either. Free market system. We must have one of those. Its time to have one of those. We have NEVER YET had one of those. 7. Realistic regulation of the government to regulate and control corporations so that what they do is fair and just and ethical and under control instead of a parade of unleashed godzillas turning the masses into to toe jam. 8. Real and direct representation, including no more lobbying, and including an evolutionary use of the internet with organized forums and wikis replacing the old style of congressional/ mayoral office.
"Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money"
nope. taxation period of any kind is merely and only a means to the end of creating a caste system. And even deeper, taxation dynamically entropizes a system, so its not only not necessary to regulate money, its the single largest entropic contributor to the system. The ONLY reason why we pay taxes is thats the feudal system; the idea that we pay anything remotely approaching the same thing or fair to what the rich pay is preposterous. The whole point of taxes is to distribute wealth from the poor to the rich. period.
gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
"the end goal product should be that every small community takes care of its own. Any federal system is a problem definition of something requiring more serious attention to solve. long term social programs managed by nation sized meta entities is a disaster not only socially and civilly but to the people who get third rate borg social services. A well functioning system does not need a welfare system, it only has a highly evolved net which catches people and only involves less than one percent of the population at any given time, not punishing but rehabing and educating folks. Until such time as that end goal is achieved, no hand outs is a paradox... you have to spend time and thus money in order to fix the problems till their fixed past needing time or money."
"Why aren't u in office???"
aspergers syndrome. you want to run,? i can ghost write your platform? :)
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"Understood we need more ideas then politicians anyway. The fixes are so simple but so difficult to get implemented."
↧ gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
i'm running for chief of staff. bit early to announce yet since i have no clue whos running on my ticket for president?
http://forums.keller2012.com/index.php i created this forum org structure. but scott keller turned out to be an idiot.
your still missing the point. your playing with math. your right. its something more like the 99.99 percent. There are 4000 or 100,000 persons depending on wether we are talking the inner or outer circle of oligarchs keeping the rest of us trapped in a "capitalism" Hotel California con scam. While you can climb upward from the bottom there are increasingly more powerful glass cielings. And on fact one of the effects of the recent bush era caste war changes is that the people who imagined themselves to be in the inside are amongst those that are losing it all. The real question is not how YOU define it. The real question is; as a system org structure, how does it operate? Thats 100 thousand peeps keeping 3 million peeps as cattle.
tl;dr
HEYOOOOOO unless my sarcasm detection system has a malfunction, someboddddy's not a good little socialist!