Forum Post: Michael Moore’s Massive Michigan Vacation Mansion Beyond 99 Percent’s Wildest Dreams
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 12, 2011, 1:13 a.m. EST by TOMMY
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Left-wing filmmaker Michael Moore has been touring Occupy Wall Street demonstrations across the country–including some of the most violent, such as Occupy Oakland–urging activists to continue their fight against the wealthy “one percent” of Americans.
Initially, Moore tried to deny that his massive wealth made him a member of that one percent. Even when forced to admit the obvious, Moore suggested that he was not always among the one percent, based on his income: “Other years, like last year, I don’t have a job (no movie, no book) and so I make a lot less.”
The fact is that Moore is so wealthy that he does not need to worry about his income. According to public tax records, Moore owns a massive vacation home on Torch Lake, Michigan–one of the most elite communities in the United States–in addition to his posh Manhattan residence.
As usual, wrong. Moore acknowledges his wealth. He's not against success. He's against the corporate takeover of our democracy--there's a difference.
But if you want to know where he stands on wealth, watch this interview:
http://groobiecat.blogspot.com/2011/10/amen-brother.html
He admits he has lots of money, and states clearly that he should pay more because he's wealthy. Period.
End of "Breaking News" story.
Thanks for the link to Andrew Not Too Breitbart's site, tho.
Cheers.
He's part of the media and thus cant be trusted. He's pushing an agenda that is in interests other than our (collectively) own.
Tax dollars are wasted capital. Governments don't produce wealth. Businesses produce wealth. Governments don't create jobs Businesses create jobs. How do we keep 'funding' this country with tax dollars? Where will the money come from when we're all broke?
No. He's not "part of the media." I don't agree with everything he says or stands for (is there anyone out there about whom that's true?), but he has been living the 99% ideal from for longer than many Occupiers have been alive, starting with his riveting and windmill tilting, anti-corporate greed documentary Roger and Me.
As for "wealth," well, that's a tricky definition. Corporations can provide employment, and they do. Just as Governments can (and should) provide employment. The engine of the economy isn't--and shouldn't be--only unfettered free markets. We see what happened to the economy with complete deregulation of the financial industry. The false "wealth" generation through the trade of mortgage backed securities were driven by a false market that poisoned our economy. It's still in place today.
No one says that all corporations should be dismantled. But corporate greed--and extreme concentration of wealth into the hands of a few--should stop. It's patently unfair. That's the point.
Don't you think Enron ought be the poster child for why unfettered anything is a detriment to everything?
Well. Enron. Goldman Sachs. AIG. Black Water. The list goes on and on. It's a whole family of poster children, really.
http://groobiecat.blogspot.com/2011/10/tell-me-what-plutocracy-looks-like-this.html
Peace.
Well when given the choice between fair and free I'll always pick free...
Yeah. There's absolutely nothing "free" about the result of the unfettered "free" markets. It cost taxpayers many many billions of dollars. The government would have been better off just giving people 2,000 bucks each. It's completely ridiculous.
As for fair vs. free, your premise is illogical: it's not an either or choice. You just think it is. Other countries are plenty free, and they do just fine with higher taxes on the wealthiest, lower education, healthcare, and housing costs. And they're happier than we are. Americans are just afraid to adopt practices from these other countries for some reason. The whole "We're #1!" b.s. view gets in the way of learning from other countries and adopting best practices. And this is the irony that kills me:
The research proves that lower taxes on the wealthiest doesn't lead to job or economic growth. It just doesn't. 10 years of Bush tax cuts and what has been the result? It's nonsense lies like this that keep people enslaved to a system that supports the top 1%.
Peace.
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does the 1% villains include Hollywood moguls and the actors? They are all 1%
Moore was carrying the OWS ideological water 20 years ago. He has earned it all. Unlike the 1% who helped kill the economy. Moore didn't do it--he had been warning about this kind of thing for decades. You can try to make it seem black and white--it's not. And frankly, I make more than most Americans. That just means I need to do more to help those who are less lucky...
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THen he can post exactly how much MORE he has paid in taxes. Let us all know.
Nope, not the point: It's not fair for him to pay more taxes but others in his income bracket to not have to do so. The point isn't for one person to do it in that bracket, but for all people to do it--otherwise it won't make a damn bit of difference.
As for lower taxes? They don't create jobs, but they do hamstring many programs that are worthwhile. Is government perfect? Nope. But neither are corporations, because they're made up of the same stuff: people. Flawed. Greedy. Sometimes lazy. People.
But the difference between corporations and government is this:
Corporations have a profit motive for supplying services (like, say, healthcare), whereas government doesn't.
Peace.
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Exactly, and you know all other rich people on the planet don't hold those values at all. Only Michael Moore has the integrity to triumph above all other well to do people.
That house isn't that lavish. It's only worth, according to the article, 2 million. Chump change in the world of high-end homes. Not defending Moore, just saying that house isn't that special. Do a web search on 'castles for sale' sometime and see what a REAL badass house looks like.
2 million in an economically depressed state is the equivalent of a 5 million dollar home in other parts of the country.
That's true. Architecture has always been one of my hobbies and when it comes to houses I have champagne tastes on a beer budget, to put it mildly. I do like a fine piece of real estate, especially if it has some sort of history. Those places have serious price tags, like in Britain or Europe.
for a second I thought you were michael moore, or were channeling Michael Moore.
If you are one or the other, I just got your latest email about your new book.
"Last Chance to Get a Signed First Printing of HERE COMES TROUBLE! ...a note from Michael Moore..."
If Mr. Moore could donate a few hundred thousand books to the Occupy Movement the books might be useful for sitting on rather than the cold cement. Probably flammable as well just in case it gets really cold.
I like your sense of humor. I don't have an opinion of Moore either way but if he would donate some cash to the cause it would go a long way toward adding to his credibility in regards to sympathizing with the movement. It's no surprise many people think he's just another celebrity trying to ride OWS' coattails.
hahaha! so your justifying this 1percenter hahaha! your kidding right?
Not really, just pointing out it's not that lavish, that's all. It's merely a comment about the house, not the man.
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Doesn't matter, what someone else has doesn't effect me or you. It's his hypocrisy I dislike. Michael Moore and anyone like him is a distraction. We need to fix the tax code. The kind of services we have and want require a higher level of taxation on everyone. There aren't enough rich and ultra rich to do what has to be done.
The Federal income tax must be terminated. The individual should only be flat-taxed on the municiple level. The state can negotiate with the national Congress to decide how much goes to the Federal level.
We as individuals shouldn't have to deal with an IRS.
Any method is fine with me as long as we collect enough to do what we think is important. Progressive tax or flat tax, I don't care. People should all pay something, once people start to feel that things from the government are free we get into trouble.
Have you ever been audited? The IRS makes it very clear from the start, you do not own anything! After an audit, they make you feel lucky they didn't take it all. That is unacceptable. What are we, slaves?
Why do you want to attack Micheal Moore?
And breitbart, your kidding right, that's right wing propaganda.
That narrative playing in your head is very heavy. Think for yourself!!!
Start learning how to recognize truth and stop feeding that heavy narrative that says the left is wrong and your right wingers are always right.
I gave plenty of reasons for attacking Michael Moore. If Hillary Clinton had been nominated instead of Obama, I'm pretty sure the home foreclosure problem would have been resolved by now.
Moore is a voice for the working class and middle class and the poor.Just because he has money doesn't make him a hypocrite.It gives him a louder voice,to use for the common good.We need MORE Moores!
His money gives him a louder voice? I thought that was what this was against in the first place.
So?
Ah yes, the green eyed monster of envy. Don't hate Mike because he is rich. Criticize the ones who made him rich. P. T. Barnum got it right!
Oh...and anyone who gets their information off of breitbart's site is an idiot.
Who gives a shit. He makes good money wtf does that have to do with OWS? I think you meant to post this on www.starmagazine.com. Lol
At two million that is only 7 times the national average home price for 2010 ($272,900). The man did win an academy award, and has produce several of the all time most profitable documentaries ever made, as well as many books, and TV shows. The dude seems to work quite hard actually. Perhaps you should get some of his work ethic.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/
"He's against corporate takeover of our democracy" and for total union takeover of our democracy. Oh, I understand!
Michael Moore is on our side. Just because he does well, does not mean that he doesn't understand our struggles. He even went on national television and spoke highly of OWS and our topics. He is standing with us in Solidarity.
I question Moore's intellect on key issues. In 2008, when he backed Obama over Hillary Clinton, Moore stood strangely silent as his own state of Michigan's democratic primary votes were not counted.
Michigan, out of economic desperation and a Hillary Clinton stronghold, had moved their democratic primary vote up and were punished for doing so by not having their democratic primary votes count.
Stranger still, Barack Obama's home base of Illinois ALSO MOVED THEIR DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY DATE UP, and that seemed ok with Moore as well and also with the democratic party.
Moore betrayed his own state by saying nothing about their democratic votes not counting in the 2008 democratic primary race.
This lack of caring about one own's state votes not counting in the 2008 democratic nomination process coming from the man who assailed general motors for downsizing in his state and made a documentary about it to help launch his career, seems the height of narcissism to me.
I also heard a rumor that Moore never even finished paying his small production crew from his earliest film or two.
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I don't care how much money he has succeeded in making. He did it legitimately. He could be like the other 1% and go yachting or sit on a balcony and make fun of the 99%. But, instead, he does go to support occupiers and has a compassionate heart for what others are going through and voices it. Whether you agree with his thoughts or not, at least he cares which is more than can be said about many people.
ok - so you're going to now determine of the 1% who's money is legitimate and who's is not? So labeling the 1% is no longer accurate is it? Now you see how your pathetic movement falls apart! What a joke lol!
So somehow he is the 'good 1%' versus the 'bad 1%'..and the only way to tell the difference is by 'your judgement'? no movement operating by those guidelines has ever avoided fanaticism and worse...
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Propaganda is the weapon that controls the minds of Americans.
read more - http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Every person controlled by propaganda, denies being controlled. It is up to each individual in the privacy of his own mind to consider his/her own behavior. If you are unwilling to examine self destructive behavior that is impacting your own ability to get a job, to allow the privileged to transfer your wealth to them by unfair taxation, to poison your air/water/food (remember the BP oil spill), and to bribe the entire congress for laws benefiting them at your expense, then you are a traitor.
Each one of these individuals defensively denies having a weak mind that can be manipulated. It is that defense that backfires. If people understood that their own self destructive behavior which forces them to vote for either of the 2 bribed candidate with the most money. The amount of money raised indicates which candidate has been bribed. When the bag men spread the cash to both Democratic and Republican candidates in the race, its because they don't know for sure who will win the election.
It is stupid and ignorant to vote for any candidate receiving bribes. The reason no American will call the bribes by name is the obvious fact that proves each of the 98% voting for the bribed candidate is in the deep propaganda trance they deny. They are too arrogant to consider they might be bribed. They would rather be thrown into the street with no job prospects than to deal with the trance that drives them to vote against themselves.
Curiosity that examines the irrational behavior is necessary to snap the trance. But the arrogance prevents the curiosity with denial. It is the same as a dog chasing his own tale going round and round.
There can be no end in sight until dealing directly with the propaganda trance begins on a national scale. The alternative will be electing the same crooks taking bribes. Its up to each individual to recognize self destructive behavior.
If Moore doesn't endorse my campaign to run for the house in the CT 4th district and finance the campaign, he's full of shit. He said he doesn't want to believe that Bush hit us on 9/11. It doesn't matter what Moore or anybody else wants. It only matters what the evidence proves happened.
Americans want to hear fairy tales while they take it up the butt.
People here in Bridgeport pay $24,000 tax on much smaller homes. What can he do in that house? He wasted his money.
Bridgeport is way better than that place.
Well he should use his money to help finance a third party candidate. and do something instead of just use his mouth.
I'll tell him Tues at the 96th st Y. Cost me $31 to tell that fat bastard to back me in my CT 4th district campaign as the Green Party candidate.
If OWS would back me... read my blog. http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Can't you people write the word BRIBE? You're in a trance.
Steve you have admitted that you are a convicted felon who spent 9 years in prison for extortion. Why are you looking for your next prey here?
Have you ever seen a Michael Moore film ? Moore is a great asset ..Dick
Have you ever seen a Michael Moore film ? Moore is a great asset ..Dick
WASHINGTON (AP) — The face of Hollywood's movie industry in Washington is leaving the post next year, prompting a casting call for one of this city's most coveted lobbying jobs. Dan Glickman, chairman of the Motion Picture Association of America, said Monday he will leave the post when his contract expires next September. The position mixes the glamour of hobnobbing with Hollywood celebrities with the nitty gritty of issues important to studios like taxes and protecting films from unauthorized distribution on the Internet.
Forget the name Glickman and just read the story about movie makers have expensive LOBBIESTS in DC
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MM is just another 1%er laughing at OWS.
Moore's working man thing is all schtick.
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Michael Moore owns more than just the lavish Torch Lake mansion.
His luxury Manhattan digs are well within the 1% of big city luxury homes.
Moore is worth somewhere near $100 million.
Attention all occupiers. Michael Moore has extended an open invitation to any OWS member, to stay at his home in Michigan, if you are in the area. Please don't hesitate to take Brother Mike up on his generous offer.
And you CHUMPS embrace him as "one of your own". Useful idiots
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Actually, "TOMMY," you didn't say anything of the sort. Do you even know what you've posted? Does someone pay you to do this, because dude, if they do, they're so not getting their money's worth...