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Forum Post: Message to the Protesters

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 11:29 p.m. EST by krosem87 (1)
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I've been impressed by your tenacity and courage. I like many others have been inspired by what you have done and I'm eagerly awaiting the protests in Washington DC on October 6 which I will be attending. I believe however, that although the protests have been an important symbol of resistance, in the end they aren't going to be enough to force change on the system. Obama's election proved that its impossible to change the system from within. We aren't going to be able to vote for change. In the same way that Rosa Parks inspired people with her courage you are inspiring people with yours, but it was the bus boycott that forced people to listen. To understand how to defeat the elite we must understand how they derive their power.

For every dollar that the financial institutions receive they can loan out ten dollars or more. When they extend out more credit than can be repaid, people default on their loans and banks take over their real assets (such as their home, car, etc.). My message to you is that the same principle also works in reverse. For every dollar that you take out of the system you are really doing ten times the damage to the banks.

So if you have money deposited in a major financial institution, withdraw your funds and put it in a credit union or buy physical gold or silver. If you have credit card debt...DON'T PAY If you have student loan debt...REFUSE TO PAY If you have a mortgage that's underwater...Default on your loan (but keep saving the money that you would normally pay on rent. With all of the backlog in the system it averages about a year for the banks to evict people after their home is foreclosed on. If you save the money you would normally pay, you can delay the banks for longer than you would think.)

This is the only way that the people can take the power back from the elite. Its not illegal and everyone in the country who wanted to participate would be able to. Just set up an online petition where members take a pledge to take their money out of the system. Each 10,000 people triggers the next wave of defaults increasing the pressure. Don't stop until the boycott until we audit the fed and put those that committed fraud into prison. Don't vote Democrat or Republican. VOTE NO CONFIDENCE!!

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[-] 2 points by ru4real (5) from Denver, CO 13 years ago

Krosem87 is right. The one and only way to speak to the bankers, brokers, and greedy politicians, is through the pocket book. Until they see and experience the message in their end of day balance sheets, they will look at this movement as a silly bunch of unorganized kids waiting for the concert to begin. (which is what I fear it might be)

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 13 years ago

Better yet, create your own banks, which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive strategy, and related candidate, that implements all our demands at the same time, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves at $500 apiece. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:

http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures

Join

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/

if you want to be 1 of 100,000 people needed to support a Presidential Candidate – such as myself or another you'd like to draft – at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.

[-] 1 points by gadflydigital (180) from Wantagh, NY 13 years ago

I believe that this goes even further than the banks as well. We need to boycott other mismanaged and dangerous institutions like the media. This includes boycotting most television stations, most movie production companies, most newspapers, most websites (including Google), and most magazines.

Corporatism is a tyrannical menace, whether it be in the insurance business, banking, media, or anything else.

So if you refuse to pay you debts, also don't supply your money to the greedy and immoral media. Don't go to the multiplex, don't listen to pop radio, don't buy the New York Times.

[-] 1 points by BlankDice (30) 13 years ago

I'm am with you during the first paragraph, and respect your enthusiasm. However, I'm tempted to call "Poe's Law" on the rest of this statement. Doing this would be just as easy as moving overseas, or just as difficult depending on how you look at it. I am no philosopher, or political scientist. I don't have a better proposal, but I also do not agree with this one.

[-] 1 points by krosem87 (1) 13 years ago

I understand your criticism and I think many people would agree with you that its wrong to abdicate your responsibilities. However the banks also abdicated their responsibilities to their members and shareholders when they engaged in the predatory lending practices that led to this mess in the first place. A bankers job is to ASSESS RISK. They willingly lent money to those they knew could never repay because they knew they could make money repackaging the loans and selling the risk to someone else. When the house of cards collapsed they forced the taxpayers to foot the bill for the losses.

I'm concerned about what will actually work to force change on the system. We can no longer hope to force change through the political arena. Democracy only works under the principle of one man one vote and under the current system the amount of wealth you control is the amount of voice you have. Both political parties serve the same master. The only way for the 99% to regain the power is to stop financing the ones that are leading this country to disaster.

Honestly, its whats going to happen eventually anyway when this whole debt based system collapses on its own accord. What I'm proposing has two main advantages. Its not illegal and everyone in the country who wanted to participate would be able to. You might not agree to default on your home but surely you can agree on taking out the money you have deposited in major financial institutions. This would put enormous pressure on the banks and force the government to listen to the people.

[-] 1 points by glooskap (64) 13 years ago

Dont pay? Refuse to pay? Default? So, abdication of personal responsibility is the type of inspiration we can expecrt the world to witness here?

What if, when you tried to "withdraw ypur funds", the bank wouldnt pay you? Seem fair? Again...inspirational stuff.

[-] 1 points by ru4real (5) from Denver, CO 13 years ago

Do you honestly believe that Brian Moynihan, CEO of Bank of America (or any of the greedy bankers and brokers, and politicians that have led us into this cave) lie awake at night fretting over there personal responsibilty? I promise you, they do not!

[-] 1 points by glooskap (64) 13 years ago

So let us all sink to the lowest common denominator...then what's left? Same excuse my 12-yr old uses when she thinks somethings "not fair". "Well...everyone else does it"...

[-] 1 points by ru4real (5) from Denver, CO 13 years ago

Yes, I would suggest to my 12 year old, "Well then, less access the situation. Are you being taken advantage of? Have you taken all of the measures that you can to end being taken advantage of? Do you continue to be taken advantage, to the point that your life is less than what you strive for it to be? Then yes child, it may well be time to stand up for yourself, take some personal responsibility, send the message that you DO matter and that you DO count and that you will no longer sit idle and be an observer of the pilaging that takes place under the portrayel of "that's the way it works child, you just happen to be on the loosing end of it". At some point it is not sinking to the lowest common denominator, rather it is standing up for yourself and displaying who really has the power.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

i don't agree that this is meaningful advice to follow.

[-] 1 points by Lifestream (85) from Milan, IL 13 years ago

This guy has the right idea. Don't give up!