Forum Post: Merchants become kings.
Posted 12 years ago on March 30, 2012, 7:43 p.m. EST by FriendlyObserverB
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The American revolution was fought against a greedy king.
Since than merchants became kings.
The next revolution will be fought against greedy merchant kings.
And than there will be freedom.
In all essence, you are correct. The problem we face is the fact that our new Feudalistic Capitalists control a Government that has weaponry that far exceeds our ability to militantly rebel. What is the average assault rifle compared to a drone missile strike? So creatively we have to figure out how to rebel.
I have said before, and will again, that as a community we all have to reject the institution of credit. We have to stop paying our mortgages, credit card bills, insurances, student loans, medical bills, car payments, etc. Anything that reports to the Credit Bureaus needs to be removed from our lives. We have to revolt against the banking industry until we can force them to relinquish control of our Government back to us. Only then will the Fascist State that America has become return to the Democratic Republic it was formed under.
I would agree except for mortgages and insurance. In any war, you have to pick your battles, my friend. For one thing, you should differentiate between secured and unsecured debt.
Unfortunately the support for your rebellion will never materialize.
Why not? Soldiers risk their lives in rebellion? If we have hopes of militant rebellion then why can we not have hopes of mobilizing our 'troops' to fight a passive aggressive war against the banks? Yes, we risk our homes, cars, material possessions, etc. But, in every revolution the 'land owners' had to stand up and risk everything to fight for what they believe in. This is no different.
I believe this time we have democracy as our strength. Democracy was unavailable during the American revolution. the king was not elected.
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If they add no value, surely you can then set up a great business for yourself undercutting their prices and making things more "fair" in the process. But you won't because you're just another occutard with stupid ideas that you wouldn't dare to even attempt yourself. What a dope.
I want to interject something. I have been involved with not only posting on this site, but reading a lot of what the OWS "think" they are trying to accomplish.
Lets be clear about one thing - the OWS movement has no "teeth" when it comes to changing things.
It's great of the vast majority of the OWS to put up tents in protest - to block traffic in protest - to styfle people going to work on Wall Street in protest - to continually complain how things need to be changed in protest, to cause disruptions and get thrown in jail in protest.
But you know what - the vast majority of the OWS don't know how to get things accomplished.
Whenever a post is submitted complaining about how the OWS need to do this or do that - there is a continous dialogue about condemming but no real concrete answers to a solution.
An example: there was a post about "lobbying" and how to do it. Not one person who contributed to the dialogue came up with an answer as to how to go about lobbying congress and move to the next step Lobby.
However, there was a lot of dialogue about how lobbyists have bought and paid for the government laws that they want passed.
Look OWS, the Tea Party is an example of how things can get done regardless of if you like them or not - they have accomplishments behind their movement.
So, if you want to accomplish something maybe you need to take their lead.
And don't give me that carp that you want to be different then the mainstream.
For if you think that being that way will accomplish something 1 year from now you will still be living in tents on weekends protesting, causing grief for people who want to work and get thrown in jail when you cross the line. Think about it.
Yes, lobbying is a great way to make things happen in politics. Although we now have a petition site linked to whitehouse. gov which is a huge step forward for we the people.
The tea party seems to me are imposters.
OWS is refining their goals and determination.
Why does it always have to be an either/or issue? From these forums, a lot of people are pushing to go through current process (i.e. "the election," lobbying, local representation, etc.) to get goals accomplished. Me included. We're always shot down, that "everything is corrupt," that "Washington is crooked," that a better system needs to be built. I AGREE but in the meantime… why not work on some aspects that CAN be changed now with current channels? Why can't we work for systemic change (long term) and make some headway NOW (short term)? Because frankly, some of this stuff cannot wait for consensus, for the 99% to all get on board, for the right media coverage. Don't tell me our current due process doesn't work because it does -- women did get the vote, environmental regulations and acts have created more greenspace/cleaner air/water, car emissions have been regulated, etc.
I hear you. The whitehouse.gov has a " we the people" petition site that is gaining a lot of recognition. Please take a look at it. It is an improvement to the lobbying system IMHO. I would like to see a discussion forum on that site for we the people. Maybe oneday.
I've been hearing about this…time to go and check it out!
Well if the tea party are imposters as you say they are then why do they continue to accomplish what they want?
Tell me - just what will a "petition" do compared to "lobbying" or going directly to talk to the people who are in charge?
The so called "imposter tea party people do that all the time and they have made hugh gains in their movement
The original Boston tea party fought against greed and tyranny. Now they are sponsored by greed and tyranny.
Well like I stated earlier if the OWS take the lead from the Tea Party they can get their goals accomplished - don't you think?
Which one? The originals or the imposters?
Hey, It doesn't matter - the tea partiers are getting something done - you may not like what they are doing but if the OWS had the same action plan for those issues they want changed they could make it happen.
Were trying a new approach.
How does one successfully lobby a corrupt group of representatives to make just decisions? That's like lobbying the local drug dealer to stop selling drugs, or in the representatives case, stop selling votes.
With the strength of democracy we can change anything.
We first must obtain democracy before we can change anything.
We have democracy. You disrespect all those who have fought for it with your comment. We have democracy, but we seldom use its power. We have been lulled into docility by a silent greed all around us, until recently we have been jostled out of our reverence by economical instability. Now we are sitting up and taking notice. The greedy are trying to level out the ride so we all lay down again back to our reverie.
Our Democracy is an illusion. When the people overwhelmingly were against the bank bailouts, our so called representatives voted for it anyway. The money that was so necessary to prevent financial collapse, instead of being lent out, stayed in the banks. These financial institutions were and remain a cancer, draining resources from the body of our economy, with only one goal. Get bigger!
When the people have lost the ability to steer congress in the direction they choose, Democracy does not exist! When a person of modest means does not have an equal say in elections compared to a wealthy person, Democracy does not exist!
Our representatives are manufactured in political party factories, and packaged on Madison Ave. just like any other product we buy. And the investors in this company are the corporations, special interests, and wealthy individuals who reap enormous dividends for themselves at our expense.
I respect people who fight for democracy, and detest those who corrupt it. But the people I despise most are those who know what is right, and have the ability to fight, but fail to stand up.
It is the recent actions ( bailouts) that have sparked the existence of OWS. We are now in the process of rekindling our watered down democracy. Firing up the democratic system to make the changes long needed.
Thanks for your well thought out response.
OWS has evolved into a sentient entity. Seeking out the wrongs of society ; attacking and destroying , including those within itself. Leaving a purification in its wake. Truth is non violent. but the most powerful weapon we have.
This is far from over, but the conviction I read in comments like yours gives strong evidence to the strength of fire we will build.
Well put, Friendly Observer. And may I add the "silent greed" is not only on the part of the "1%." How many "average Americans" need to get that bigger car (do you really need that? families way back used to cram their kids into far smaller vehicles just fine…), that new smartphone (doesn't last year's model work ok? I'll bet it does…), a new [fill in the blank] --if last year's suit, curtains, tablecloth, and sofa are still usable, why get new ones just because? This throwaway and grass-is-greener mentality contributes to the greed arc.
Oh please, dont compare your squatting to the American Revolution. You guys are a joke. I am sure writing such statements gives you a warm fuzzy feeling of being a 'revolutionary' without any of the discomfort that revolutionaries actually undergo. Grow up.
Your analysis is very lacking, quite shallow I must say. Get your shit together dude!