Forum Post: Media swiftboat campaign against injured Oakland OWS protester and war vet Scott Olsen has begun
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 30, 2011, 2:08 a.m. EST by StevenRoyal
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Looks like the media has started the character assassin campaign against Scott Olsen.
http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/10/28/occupy-says-we-are-all-scott-olsen-agreed/#more-362536
Remember, this is what happens to you when you speak out against the status quo.
Feel free to express your feelings about this to Breitbart by posting on his site above.
Nothing they say about him justifies the police's actions.
I see they dug up some flicker pages with photos of weed plants too. Wow! That makes him really really bad, right? Hilarious. Isn't marijuana nearly legal in California anyway?
"Nothing they say about him justifies the police's actions"
100% Agreed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cUP1aoHPEk
voice lessons needed
He is a veteran Marine. That's all I need to know.
It's an ad hominem attack and a red herring. Scott Olsen's personal choices have nothing to do with the discussion. The same kind of rhetoric probably ran through the mind of the police officer who tossed that flash grenade in the crowd. People are people. Reinforcing your hatred of their lifestyle is never acceptable reasoning for... anything.
Exactly. He was just standing peacefully still. Not causing any trouble. His back was turned to the police.
Aside from the fact that there is no proof that his injury was caused by police, and aside from the fact that he served his country, when a riot is in the offing and police are lining up feet away and you remain standing in front of them you might think you're making a point but if you think they'll work around you you're an idiot.
Did you even see the video?
Your interpretation of a jumpy, dark, amateur video is not anything close to proof. But even if you had a high speed IMAX camera focused on what happened to him, standing in front of a phalanx of police in riot gear preparing to disperse a crowd is asking for it. War veteran/service to your country and idiot are not mutually exclusive.
Ok, I get it. You deserve to be attacked in the back if you turn your back on the police. And once you go down and people come to help you, they deserve to be attacked as well. Good, now I'm clear where you are coming from.
You can characterize it whichever way fits the scenario you prefer to believe. While there is no solid proof that he was injured by police, do you really think the police would aim a tear gas gun at someone's head? Again, if that's what fits your narrative, then I suppose you do.
The videos are conclusive enough for me that he did get injured by the police whether by accident or otherwise. Was attacking unarmed protesters by 14 different police agencies really necessary?
And the key there is "conclusive enough for me." That's what I said at the outset.
As far as the police action goes, hey, they asked nice. "Time to leave the park, okay?" A couple of times as I recall if you can believe the news accounts. And you don't leave, you're breaking the law. The police do what they need to do to fix that.
what a shocker, the illegitimate media is getting it wrong again.
Surprise!
Just another example of the fearful right and their party
these are some very lame attacks,. the jew-hating bit is particularly humorous as there is no there there,. . it more shows the depths the loonie right will sink to to keep their traumatized followers on board with their hate-filled ideology.
More attacks from lapdog Breitbart http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/11/01/rape-gropes-and-assaults-oh-my-mayor-bloomberg-shut-down-zuccotti-park/
I saw the archived web site. Even though it has a provocative title, it doesn't seem to contain any actual hatred. He may have been trying to just get people's attention, the same way a newspaper editor gets attention by using a provocative headline.
Ok, I understand, so in this case Oakland police should use a real bullet. Right ?
This young guy was marching peacefully , and a policeman ( probably a model US soldier in the mind of Scott detractors ) shoot him into the head.
This young guy is in hospital with a very serious brain injury. What are this guys talking about ?
I know they are doing their (dirty) job.
It helps that Breitbart has no moral compass. But did you get a chance to read what the commentators to his post are saying? Its disgusting. Someone should flood his board.
Yes, i've read those disgusting commentaries. That's why I've post it here.
I ask myself, "Do these people have no shame?" No I know. Sad day for America. Hopefully Scott will be able to speak up for himself soon.
40% of Americans have smoked marijuana.
Some of the people who point fingers are probably closet smokers or former smokers.
What a bunch of bullshit.
And this:
" may have been investigated by the Marines for alleged cocaine use. "
He may have been investigated for alleged cocaine use. Yet another "I don't have the facts to back this up" thing.
I don't have the facts to back this up, but I think Andrew Breitbart might be an alleged pig-fucker.
It's all a non-arguement. The real issues have nothing to do with Scott Olson. It's about police brutality.
Moreover, it's about removing corporate/financial institution influence from our gov't, remember?
True.
I dont blame Scott Olsen for hating the Marine Corps. I like the marines.....I'm proud of what they do. However the Marine Corps commanders have forgotten to the victors goes the spoils. So why should a Marine be treated like shit thru compensation in Healthcare, VA benefits, and retirement that are not realistic to sustain oneself in todays economy. They put their lives on the line so that the 1% can continue to be the 1%. My father was a 22yrs Army man retired on 24K a yr and had to pay for his Champus Ins. Vietnam Vet and all others that followed. I think the Commanders should stand up to Congress and the whole for their troops benefits b/c without our troops none of us would have our freedoms. And when troops are used for political reasons such as Iraq......Yeah.....I hate the Marine Corps too!
I saw the archived web site. Even though it has a provocative title, it doesn't seem to contain any actual hatred. He may have been trying to just get people's attention, the same way a newspaper editor gets attention by using a provocative headline.
Breitbart at it again. http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/11/01/rape-gropes-and-assaults-oh-my-mayor-bloomberg-shut-down-zuccotti-park/#idc-cover
Alot of military personal hate the military and drugs lol... What a joke this smear is... Hates military after 2 tours in Iraq ... Anti Semite ... They just though this one around we are all anti-Semites if we disagree ... Drugs ... Weed ... We all know what thats about ... Stupid war on drugs
Think Shirley Sherrod should sue Breitbart and Obama
Breitbart was adopted by a banker his adoptive mother converted to Judaism . He joined GOProud gay group and sits on the gay rights advisory council. Right after Ted Kennedy died he called TKennedy a duplicitous bastard, prick and other things. Breitbart is a racist. Bretbart never served in the military and he used drugs. Bretbart slanders people for political elites. Breitbart grow up a spoiled rich baby that never had to work. It might be time to start putting out his personal information like cocain use
He sounds pretty miserable.
I believe Bush junior, Cheney and Limbaugh have had substance abuse problems.
Bingo! Cocaine, opiate derivative medication...
And how many tours of duty did they embark on?
Also, I believe there were some DUIs along the way.
Cheney was drunk when he shot that guy in the face, they hid him from the media for something like 12 hours so he could sober up.
Hi LazyJealousAnarchist, Thanks for the post. People need to know. Would have been funny if Cheney had shot Bush. Best Regards, Nevada
Good point.
You are protesting in the wrong place. OCW should be protesting outside the WHITE HOUSE. After all, Obama was the man that authorized the BAILOUT of the Banks, GM, Chrylser and many other large businesses. They could not have been bailed out without the President. He should also be held responsible. We need to be in front of the Whitehouse where this President can see us everyday. Why do we let him off the "HOOK"?
The bailout was done under the former president Bush. No matter. They are all the same, controlled by money, which is why the protests are occurring where the money is.
Do you count the two wars Bush and Cheney got us into? Of course Limbaugh was their cheerleader. Wonder if they were all high? Was Cheney drunk when he had his hunting accident?
Didn't Cheney have something like 3 DUI's?
Good point. It would be wrong to get drunk and shoot friend in face with shotgun.
swift boat come lately
good one
Quick - remove the word "swiftboat"
The Swift boat Vietnam veterans that knew John F. Kerry best were proven 99% right.
Hmmm. Removing that word removes all specificity from the statement.
This is the same rhetoric used by the FBI to Justify gassing a group of children at Wako Texas. They always launch a smear campaign against anyone that opposes them. They used rhetoric to justify Iraq, the ruby ridge incident and Bradley Manning. They do anything they can to distract you from the point. This kind of shit will not work for much longer we live in the age of the Internet.
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The voices in your own head tell you we hate marines.
Hit Em With Da Club (Scott Olson Jam) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cUP1aoHPEk
Voice lessons needed.
His I hate the marine corps crap along with enough Marxist comments to fill a metropolitan phone book is the reason he is gonna catch hell.
I saw the archived web site. Even though it has a provocative title, it doesn't seem to contain any actual hatred. He may have been trying to just get people's attention, the same way a newspaper editor gets attention by using a provocative headline.
Hah! This, http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/10/28/occupy-says-we-are-all-scott-olsen-agreed/#more-362536
Is this, http://politics.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/
Interesting
Yes, we need to wise up. Critical thinking. Looking at the sociopolitical effects cognitively of various posters. Actually sequences, cause and effect, distractions red herrings, dead ends; all useful to the cognitive infiltrator.------
The whole idea of the infiltrator is to work in the prevention of people discussing useful information for having an effect on the nwo agenda. Exploitation of attitude is excellent. "Emotional reasoning". I made a page of some distortion definitions developed by cognitive therapists that can be loosely applied to what we are confronted with.--
http://algoxy.com/poly/nwo_cognitive_distortions.html
Ironically, our populations have been targeted via a very subtle program of manipulation of commercial televisions, sitcoms, soap operas, game shows, reality shows etc, to think that cognitive distortions are okay to use in decision making etc.-----
then we get the nwo infiltration program on the web in commercial forums inducing us with false social groups to "fit in" or be ridiculed.
Interesting
Yes, it is interesting to see how image fears can be used to steer our thinking around or fitting in with a group can be more important that the goals they espouse. Those are the groups we can see we are a part of. Because of cause and effect we are forming groups every day that have huge impacts as consumers or, hopefully as informed citizens voting in their greatest evolutionary interests, ratifying very well considered amendments through article 5 from their states.
Scott Olsen was actually the first to speak out when he started a web site touting his hatred for the Marine Corp.
Nothing on the internet ever disappears. Even when you delete your web site. There is always a copy or cache of it somewhere.
There's a google tool to have cached pages removed. (ask whoever owns this site LOL)
https://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=164734
Also robots.txt too
Obviously Scott was more interested in smoking pot and forgot to erase his fingerprints from the internet ...
http://web.archive.org/web/20110130113227/http://ihatethemarinecorps.com/
I saw that. So maybe he did hate it? Did he get an honorable discharge?
It still doesn't justify what the police did.
You don't know if the police did that to Olsen.
They seem to think he accidentally got hit with something being thrown by another protester.
No one knows what happened.
As far as his discharge .... I don't know. He has admitted himself he was under investigation by the Marine Corp. for cocaine and marijuana use. If he was lucky, he may have gotten a General Discharge.
Don't know if it was dishonorable discharge.
If the police didn't do it who did? There's video which is conclusive. To suggest the police didn't do it is ridiculous at face value.
No matter what drugs he took or didn't, or how he felt about the Marine corps, the police made a mistake. Even the Mayor of Oakland concedes that
There is no conclusive video evidence. I have seen everything that is out there, and none of it is "conclusive".
I think it sucks that he was hurt. I also think it sucks that many of the same people who are holding him up as a hero simply because he was a Marine, are the same people who were calling Marines murderers back in 2003 and 2004.
The Mayor of Oakland is nothing to go by. She has "flip-flopped" so many times on this OWS issue, your neck would break watching all the back and forth.
Of course. Who should I believe? Far right winger blogger people or my lying eyes?
I don't know what to tell you. I don't believe anyone until further evidence comes forth.
Your eyes certainly didn't see anything coming from the police hit him in the head.
At the moment, there is nothing. Only his head wound.
You will not fracture a skull throwing a tear-gas can at it,. the damage is from the muzzle velocity, the force of the explosion propelling the can. same is true of bullets,. if I throw bullets at you BY HAND are you scared? Perhaps, you my shield your eyes,. but the damage hand thrown objects like this do is minimal,. not skull fractures, like Scott suffered. the claims/apologies you make are silly,. physics is a bit more difficult to argue with than even video.
The police allege that protesters were throwing bottles or rocks. If they think Scott Olsen got a skull fracture and cerebral edema from a thrown bottle or rock...then either they've started making lead bottles...or someone from the Oakland Athletics pitching rotation must have been in the crowd, incognito.
Oh but wait, I have sen the video. and no one was within 15 feet of him, and no one was throwing anything at police in that area.
Epic.Fail.
True.
If the OWSers want to embrace a person who hates the country, hates the military, hates the Jews, and promotes drug use, we more than understand. That is the image of OWSers in the public mind already.
Excellent work echoing the character assassinations. Keep up the good work!