Forum Post: MEDIA BLITZ | Obama Authorizes Killing US Citizens!! | Uhh, WOW!!
Posted 11 years ago on Feb. 6, 2013, 9:35 a.m. EST by WSmith
(2698)
from Cornelius, OR
This content is user submitted and not an official statement
News Media Left and Right have gone bonkers over:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf
The Obama Administration's "kill Memo."
It authorizes killing enemies in this bogus war, something we have had in every war.
Obama did not start these stupid, fraudulent and larcenous "Wars on Terror!" He inherited them from Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Fossil Fuel, and he is trying to get out of them as fast as the Military Industrial Complex will let him, as safely as possible.
Nor did Obama start the use of drones! He inherited them, too! The whole thing is a fucking mess that has wasted untold millions of lives and trillions of dollars!!!
Whatever the anti-Obama hype may be (or dreamt up), the whole purpose of drones is to save lives and money, not waste them! Drones replace the human conflict that always results in greater human causalities. That they are being used to kill as well as gather info is a natural military aberration that can't be helped because that's what the military does; but drones still save lives and money, through smallness, precision and zero human to human conflict.
That drones sometimes can cause collateral damage is why we should not rush (9-11 HYSTERIA) into war in the first place, but as I said before, Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld BUSTED THAT CHERRY ~ and conducted a BIG $$ TRAIN GANG BANG ~ a long time ago!!
There is no Bush and Obama warmongering parity here. No hypocrisy! But there is a robust and prolific RepubliCon strategy of casting false equivalencies ~ "Both Parties are the Same" smear campaign! And, apparently, substantial confusion.
Imagine if we are struck again by another act of terrorism. Will you bitch about using drones to surgically find and strike the perpetrators instead of mounting a full-scale invasion and multi-year occupation?? LET'S HOPE NOT!! But while we are still in this Con lemon of a mess, we might as well make lemonade and perfect a better way to fight terrorism. Meanwhile, let's take the ammo away (not give more) from the terrorists abroad and at home... PLEASE!!!
The Obama Administration has not gone on a criminal murder spree, YET!! (I wish he would on certain Cons in Congress)!
SO GET FUCKING REAL PEOPLE!!
Oh they are criminals of war and there is no escape. Every politician in that made up district will face these charges and pay for the torture that they know of and in fact gave approval for continuing and it is not of these United States or the WE People so you just shut it up about these crooks being acceptable in any way shape or form it is unacceptable! I am WE and the Peoples will is Peace and Freedom...
Maybe that's why they say "all is fair in love and war."
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/29659/can-someone-explain-the-phrase-all-is-fair-in-love-and-war
"The concept behind the phrase is that some areas of life are so important and overwhelming that you cannot blame someone for acting in their own best interest. For war, this implies that spies, torture, lying, backstabbing, making deals with enemies, selling out allies, bombing civilians, wounding instead of killing, and so on are "fair game" in the sense that by taking these options off of the table you are only hurting yourself: Your opponent has no reason to comply to your moral standards. (This entire concept is mostly void with regards to the current political atmosphere of Earth. Countries have actually declared certain things taboo with regards to war — with mixed success.)"
"The point of adding love to the list is likely to compare it to a war. There are two main subsets here. The first and most relevant is the idea that you can wreak all the havoc you want during the pursuit of true love. This includes sabotaging the third side in a love triangle or using deceit and trickery to woo the object of your affection (including hiding from them past lovers.)"
"The second is the viewpoint that ongoing love between two people is akin to a battle that results in a dominant winner. The stereotypical gender wars are similar to this. A man and wife are in love but a certain unease comes with the territory and pulling one over on your spouse is fair game because, hey, all is fair in love and war. For what it is worth, this last point is probably more of a causality of the individual words in the phrase than any original intended meaning. Most people probably don't immediately think of this type of behavior as matching up with the phrase until after they need an excuse for their actions."
No more war!!!
are you human?
Was the memo leaked purposely before the Brennan hearings.? This is a serious problem, and Obama has now created the parameters of the debate.
WE must force an acceptable policy before a neocon gets into office and abuses the currently undefined power that drone tech has created.
exaggeration and hype is all I have now.
Well that's ok. i am encouraged that the discussion is getting real attention. Mostly liberal news outlets. Guess the right wing is lovin the drone strikes.
Pressure to end the drone strikes, and certainly define proper use.
The genie is out of the bottle, it's only a matter of time before some yahoo or terrorist brings down a 787 with one. Two words: "Drone Jammer."
What a confused post.
You don't seem to know whether you are Arthur or Martha.
Mass-murder under any other name is "busting a cherry" to you?
And if there is another "act of terrorism", would you not assume that it is another black flag, like the one that led to illegal invasions of nations undisposed towards Saudi nationals in hijacked planes?
You seem to be mostly confused, and trying to obfuscate.
What was the purpose of this post?
Come to think of it, where are you on rifles, Black Hawk helicopters, troops, missiles, fighter jets, ships, etc.? All of these kill so many more people than drones, drones will never catch up! What is with your obsession with drones???
Briefing for CIA, FBI and DHS agents in here today,
It is not about drones. Drones are great technology when used properly.
It is about the erosion of our civil liberties (due process). Intelligent government officials don't degrade the security of every American by eroding their civil liberties in order to take out two Americans. The risk-reward, cost-benefit of such action is ridiculous. Whoever is thinking this is appropriate policy is on drugs.
Well it looks like the genie is out of the bottle. Now we have to make sure we don't put "Commander Guys" and evil cyborgs in control of it. Maybe that will boost our lowest Voter turnout standing.
You are not getting the context of rampant media hype we are getting over here. That's what I'm replying to.
As for cherry and train: Metaphor:
a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”
Trust me, I'm not confused about this, I just live in the world of reality.
Let's outlaw war and guns and WMDs, I'm all for that, not going to happen. That puts us back to lesser evil, don't it?
You don't find it weird that Lindsey Graham and Obama agree on this issue?
when trying to act like democrats inherited the wars it's also important to remember Joe Biden voted for both wars, Obama increased the imperialist war in Afghanistan, and expanded the drone program - and republicans agreed usually wanting to go even further.
He might have inherited wars, but he's been pro-war and has supported the imperialist war in Afghanistan since day 1 just like republicans have. He also is choosing people who voted for the war in Iraq to be secretary of state and as his VP, Biden has pushed the WMD lie with republicans since the 90's, all the while they both funded the iraq and afghanistan wars as senators.
Republicans are warmongers and shout "get 'em" and democrats claim war is for peace. Both are pro-war.
This bogus policy mentioned in your post is supported by both democrats and republicans.
98-0 NDAA in the Senate. Both parties are pro-war - get fucking real
The rule of law matters. There is no excuse for these illegal policies.
Lindsey is insane. He has to compensate for a tragically obvious sexual proclivity which is highly unacceptable to the Cult he belongs to. So if it kills, or could kill, he loves it. Obama is interested in saving lives and getting out of these fraudulent RepubliCon Wars!!!
Troops kill and are killed much MUCH more than drones. That's the reason they were developed. But like all weapons they can be abused.
That's why we have to get out of these stupid wars that Bush & Cheney left us in!!
I think ~ NO, I KNOW and so do YOU ~ if it came down to a choice between your daughters being sent in on a reconnaissance mission or a drone, you'd choose a drone. So drink your cup of STFU and go back to chasing unicorns!!
have fun supporting leaders of imperialist wars
you're on the wrong side of history.
Come to think of it, where are you on rifles, Black Hawk helicopters, troops, missiles, fighter jets, ships, etc.? All of these kill so many more people than drones, drones will never catch up! What is with your obsession with drones???
War is the enemy of the poor. I talk about this all the time actually.
War is brutal and impersonal. It mocks the fantasy of individual heroism and the absurdity of utopian goals like democracy. In an instant, industrial warfare can kill dozens, even hundreds of people, who never see their attackers. The power of these industrial weapons is indiscriminate and staggering. They can take down apartment blocks in seconds, burying and crushing everyone inside. They can demolish villages and send tanks, planes and ships up in fiery blasts. The wounds, for those who survive, result in terrible burns, blindness, amputation and lifelong pain and trauma. No one returns the same from such warfare. And once these weapons are employed all talk of human rights is a farce.
The nation embraces the dangerous delusion that we are on a providential mission to save the rest of the world from itself, to impose our virtues, which we see as superior to all other virtues - on others and that we have a right to do that by force. This belief has corrupted both democrats and republicans.
We cannot afford these wars, that kill more civilians than that which were already being killed by the oppressive foes we say are the reason we are in these countries. The Iraq and Afghanistan war has lead to the highest civilian death tolls in both countries in recent history. While we fund the oppressive Saudis, Israelis, and doll out billions to other regimes on the deal that they spend billions on weapons and munitions. Which are deals made by puppeticians lobbied by the arms industries.
As a corporate takeover of government has the military kill hundreds of thousands of civilians overseas, we are becoming what we seek to destroy. Oppressive murderers.
War is not peace. This needs to be established.
"The rash of home foreclosures, mounting job loss, the collapse of banks and the financial services industry, the poverty ripping apart the working class, our crumbling infrastructure, and the killing of Iraqi and Afghanistan civilians with fragmentation bombs converge. The costly forms of death we dispense on one side of the globe are hollowing us out from the inside at home." - Chris Hedges.
War is the enemy of the poor. - MLK
So go ahead and praise the imperialist leaders, You are on the wrong side of history.
Bravo!!!
Look a green one with a candy cane horn!!!
It's interesting to note that he was very, very concerned about waterboarding but is less concerned about killing -
But what can I say - the younger people voted him into office so I guess you and others are going to have to learn to deal with it.
See above reply