Forum Post: MarkZuckerburg.Facebook.iphones.Really?
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 3, 2011, 12:58 a.m. EST by Hardwork
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All of you hate BB. Yet you update your forums using phones, laptops, ISPs, Facebook, Explorer....etc.etc. Burn your phones. Burn your cars. Practice what you preach, hippies.
We aren't ascetics.
Hell if we were ascetics wouldn't be protesting for a better life in this existence.
We want a change in the way this country is managed. No, don't give me that crap about the current President. Unless things truly change, it is like choosing between Scylla and Charybdis.
What's wrong with using the system to our advantage. The only way out, is to play the game. Once we win, which we are, we change the game. Those who cannot adapt to change will struggle, those who can will thrive.
Wm Casey & I love the Facebook!
It lets us see what all you kids are up to out there on the 'tubes.
Privacy is obsolete! Identity is for marketing! Social is networked!
Maybe we're protesting not having a choice! Oh that's right, a corrupt political system married our economy to a tyrannical one so that we don't have to look at our slaves and only the elite can afford to setup shop. How's that working out for us?
What the hell? You have plenty of choices when it comes to mobile phones!
Yeah China or China. I'm not a China hater by any means, only pointing out that the marriage of the U.S. economy to any other country's is a glaring failure of the government to protect the best interests of the people. If I made cell phones, I would make them in China too. This doesn't change the fact that my actions might not represent the best interests of the country. This is why trade is SUPPOSED to be regulated.
You're so ecstatic about BB, giving them the credit for creating everything around us! Yet, is there ever a mention of the scientists and engineers that came before them? Progress finds a way, either via capitalism or something else, and unlike capitalism, science is a timeless, indispensable tool for propeling humanity forward. Capitalism will be long gone far before the following names are ever forgotten; C. Gauss, J. Maxwell, I. Newton, A. Einstein - these men and many others like them helped humanity in ways capitalism cannot. Capitalism gives us a means to survive(one of the many), science gives us something live live for! (IMHO)
On another note - I don't use a laptop, would never use social media, and would rather use Firefox! But really, does it matter? Corporations aren't evil, they're just groups of people who provide services or produce products. Can you explain to me why this couldn't happen under something other than capitalism?
My only complaint with capitalism, is the ease in which it can be corrupted. From a scientific perspective though, please don't forget that it was capitalism that brought science out of the alchemists tower. Capitalism is the only fair system that has ever existed, but you're right... that doesn't mean we should stop trying to make it better.
I agree. Capitalism has had a huge role in the development of modern science, and I have no problems giving it credit. And I'm not proposing to just toss it all out and start from scratch. Capitalism has and always will be a dynamic machine, changing with the times as needed; and in it's current form, it's not sustainable. We've went from under 2 billion to over 7 billion people in around 100 years - that type of growth won't happen again for sometime on this planet. But the machine still needs to grow, otherwise it hacks and flails in pain - we really should be a zero, or close to it, economy.
What I wonder, as we move forward and capitalism morphs into whatever forms it takes, at what point in the distant future will we need a new name?
The problem with economy models that don't focus on growth are more or less the same as growth models... Corruption. The currency just becomes favors and protection from penalty. Also, where would the incentive be for harder/smarter work? I would love a system where everyone just pulled their own weight, but I fear that may not be compatible with human nature. In a "need" based system, everyone just works harder to increase their need. However at 7 billion and rapidly growing, our demands must stabilize. I blame media, Paris Hilton and the Kardashians :)
The media is huge, I stopped watching TV around 21 and have never regretted doing so. I prefer just to buy seasons of the shows I enjoy, I love Star Trek and would hate a world without Gene's wonderful creation. So, I try and support the creative media types as much as possible. I really hope it's possible for us to see further sooner than later. Looking into deep-space long exposures from Hubble, you can't help but feel a sense of awe, and than a similar sense of despair for how many issues we make for ourselves.
There's so much we as a species could accomplish, we've just got to grow up a little and start expanding our horizons again. Can you imagine being a sailor on the ancient earth? I can hardly imagine the awe of a seemingly endless sea of possibilities, but I think I get a similar feeling from looking outward towards space. We need a frontier, I don't think there was a time in human history where we were just sitting static like we are today. My biggest concern now is with the youth, and their lack of interest in science, and exploring this reality we find ourselves in. The time for our species to just "survive" should be in the rear-view mirror. And as you said, I too think it's the media.
I agree on many accounts. I haven't seen a live tv broadcast in over 2 years. By reading my news, I have been able to analyze it so much more critically. I can't stand reading a thing from the major media outlets anymore, they are so slanted my stomach literally turns.
Sadly I have to fully agree with you on the science thing. I am a college student now and it is frustrating to sit in any of the post-101 level science classes that have 15 students and the 100-500 people per lib arts class.
Also, if you think about the origins of the internet in colleges, universities, government research labs, defense and military facilities and nonprofit institutions like The RAND Corporation...
The tools in-question owe as much to SOCIAL incentives and initiatives as they do to private, for-profit enterprise.
If guys like Tim Berners-Lee and Linus Torvalis hadn't GIVEN away the technology that they developed, we would not have the internet as-we-know-it.
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Don't have a laptop. Don't have an iPhone. Hate Zuckerburg, wouldn't be caught dead opening a Facebook account. My computer's twelve years old. Refuse to shop Wal Mart. Some of us do practice what we preach.
Well then get a job and a new computer. You'll enjoy it. Technology is very advanced now. C'mon dude....nobody owes you money. Yall are like welfare recipients...just worse. work. Work Hard. Strive to better yourself.
Better yourself how? Do you really measure your self worth in terms of money? I'm sorry, but I have problems with bettering myself in a system dead-set on destroying the foundations of life on this planet. We're going to divide and divvy things up until the planets a wasted shell, completely ^&*ked inside and out. The planet doesn't mind, how could it? But we should! And FYI, I better myself everyday through education and my work - but doing those things won't help create a better future for those who care.
Then when somebody shows you they do practice what they preach, it's "get a job." I don't want handouts. With the exception of the old computer everything I mentioned is by CHOICE, not lack of money. Some of you people will never get it. I'm going to stop wasting my time answering troll posts.
We are not against technology, where did you get that from? We are against the supreme court ruling that corporations are people too. We have no problems with the concept of a corporation, it is when a corporation has more say in policy making than the people that is the problem. This can be solved with some minor regulations not allowing corporations to contribute to campaigns and to limit lobbying congress.
So you are saying OWS has no right to lobby congress? Corporations are just groups of people acting in their best interests. Isn't that the same as protesting? Only difference is OWS doesn't have money. How would you legislate around this in a constitutional manner?
Ba-zing!
No a corporation is not a group of people. A corporation is an inanimate conceptual entity. with a board of shareholders who do not represent actual citizens of the United States. It is not a democracy when whoever has the most money to buy off candidates gets their policies pushed through. This in no way is a democracy. A democracy is when actual citezens voices are heard and decisions are made based on what will be the most beneficial for 99% of Americans. We tried it the other way and it does not work. for over 50 years the tobacco lobby claimed cigarettes were safe they had the most money so 50 million Americans have died from tobacco related diseases. No corporations should not have the right to lobby congress only actual living citizens
Ba zing right back!
So then you'd have a problem with Apple, et. al., paying a big time firm to lobby for a tax holiday...
"Google Joins Apple in Push for Tax Holiday
By Richard Rubin and Jesse Drucker - Sep 29, 2011 12:01 AM ET
As a coalition led by Apple Inc. (AAPL), Google Inc. (GOOG), and Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO) presses for a tax holiday on more than $1 trillion in offshore profits, it is turning to a well-positioned lobbyist: Jeffrey Forbes, once chief of staff to Max Baucus, chairman of the tax-writing Senate Finance Committee.
Data compiled by Bloomberg News show that Forbes is part of an army of more than 160 lobbyists, including at least 60 who once worked for a sitting member of the House or Senate, pushing for the repatriation holiday. Their job is to persuade Congress to establish a tax break estimated to cost the U.S. government $78.7 billion over the next decade. "
Don't blame a corporation, who exists solely to make money. Blame the corruption in politics that allows this to happen. If I was given a raise every time I asked, I would keep asking until I was told "no". Is it the child's fault they are a spoiled and greedy brat or the parent who gives in? I'm not sticking up for corporations bad behavior, a time-out is definitely in order and maybe a spanking in a few cases...
That is correct, we are in agreement. Yes I have a problem with that. We are not extremist hippies who don't want technology. I like technology, I like having companies make new innovative products that I can spend my hard earned money on. I like capitalism. I just want to see these companies unlimited power to shape policy curtailed. I want to see them regulated not abolished. Why are you trying to paint the topic as a black and white issue. We are for the majority fairly moderate Americans who enjoy capitalism. We just want to protect ourselves from another blow to our economy. Corporations need to be kept in check. I will continue to purchase products from american companies and I will continue to push to regulate those companies so they don't put short term profits over a long term fiscally healthy America
Actually, a lot of you are. lol But not all.
OK, just checking. I don't mind anyone arguing their position whatever it might be but they need to be consistent in their argument. Seems that you are.
There seems to be a few trolls posting outrageous statements, I can only speak from my own experiences. I have been to occupy protests in four cities on the east coast and have yet to meet any extremists. I was actually really impressed with the smart discussions people were having. It is not an all or nothing issue. I haven't met any real anarchists who would rather have no government. What I have met are concerned citizens who have had something really bad happen to them that motivated them to come out and voice their opinions. Many have been foreclosed on, or got layed off or had their retirement savings destroyed because of no fault of their own. We had a few big banks who had recently been deregulated trying to make some short term gains through risky trading with peoples retirement money. All that needs to happen is some serious regulating of the companies who are most responsible to prevent them from gambling again, which they are already doing. I am not left or right politically for the record. I am registered independent and am looking for some moderate sensibility in our crazy world where everyone gets forced to one side or the other. There are so many people whos voices don't get heard who are right in the middle politically because no one represents the moderates, it doesn't make for exciting headlines.
No, it's not just trolls. It's a large part of the core of this whole deal. All you have to do is to look at those who were instrumental in getting it started and who still are guiding it (no matter what is said about it being leasderless). Most are very clearly anti-capitalistic and aren't shy about it. But I don't question that may not necessarily extend to those that you may have met in the crowds.
Al Gore.
The Dept of Defense.
Did you know the government created the Internet?
Government is the problem!