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Forum Post: Many of the very richest pay no income taxes at all

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 13, 2011, 1:40 p.m. EST by MadMavenNYC (26)
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Excerpt from article @ http://www.csindy.com/gyrobase/sham-i-am/Content?source=patrick.net&oid=2118954

The Republicans and a key Democrat, Senator Charles Schumer of New York, fought to keep the tax rate on hedge fund managers at 15 percent, arguing that the profits from hedge funds should be considered capital gains, not ordinary income, which got a lot of attention in the news.

What the news media missed is that hedge fund managers don't even pay 15 percent. At least, not currently. So long as they leave their money, known as "carried interest," in the hedge fund, their taxes are deferred. They only pay taxes when they cash out, which could be decades from now for younger managers. How do these hedge fund managers get money in the meantime? By borrowing against the carried interest, often at absurdly low rate — currently about 2 percent.

Lots of other people live tax-free, too. I have Donald Trump's tax records for four years early in his career. He paid no taxes for two of those years. Big real-estate investors enjoy tax-free living under a 1993 law President Bill Clinton signed. It lets "professional" real-estate investors use paper losses like depreciation on their buildings against any cash income, even if they end up with negative incomes like Trump.

Frank and Jamie McCourt, who own the Los Angeles Dodgers, have not paid any income taxes since at least 2004, their divorce case revealed. Yet they spent $45 million one year alone. How? They just borrowed against Dodger ticket revenue and other assets. To the IRS, they look like paupers.

In Wisconsin, Terrence Wall, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in 2010, paid no income taxes on as much as $14 million of recent income, his disclosure forms showed. Asked about his living tax-free while working people pay taxes, he had a simple response: Everyone should pay less.

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[-] 1 points by randallburns (211) from Washougal, WA 13 years ago

The only way to really tax entrenched wealth is to start taxing assets instead of income. This is what Huey Long wanted to do during the Great Depression.

Taxing assets is tricky. If you tax assets of small holders you can easily discourage them from investing. However, the very wealthy-the folks with assets of over $5 Million per family have gotten extraordinary returns in recent years due to the Reagan tax cuts and globalization-so they are in in an unusual position to handle greater taxation