Forum Post: Liberate Wall Street
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 16, 2011, 8:12 p.m. EST by Wellington2
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Enough! A call to action!
Liberate Wall Street from the occupation that threatens violence and other despicable acts. We must stand up for the nation and our way of life.
Drive the unlawful and un-enlighten occupiers out!
Shout them down where you can and drive them from the streets. Cut off their support and stand behind the Mayor and law enforcement. Enough of the harassment tactics and stupidity.
Push them back!
Bear with us.
Lol you idiot, that is exactly what we are trying todo. It's just that the Mayor IS one of the Occupiers, has been his whole life. We seek to Liberate by our counter occupation. We also use less violence and have done less despicable deeds than the status quo.
Yes, Yes Liberate the bull from the shackles of Greed and unlawful acts.
Um, or just let them be and avoid much of the 'violence and despicable acts' that your stupid plan will result in.
You can't be let be. You all have to go. You’re wasting everyone’s time and money. No! stop this Marxist cause and be gone.
The cause is not necessarily Marxist
Protests happen all the time. If we didn't have any, we'd still be the racist America that we were in the 50's and earlier.
Oh! So by pooping on police cars, raping female participants, destroying private property, assaulting cops and others, protesting without permits, stopping traffic, and falsely imprisoning and threatening opponents, the Civil Rights movement won popular public support and were able to win full rights and respect for minorities. Maybe I didn't have the same history book as you did in school.
The Poisoned Well fallacy again...god you Fauxbots and GlennZombies just love that one.
First, it's God you Fauxbots. And second tell me where I'm going wrong here. Did the Civil Rights protesters engage in any of this type of activity? To my knowledge, no, but then again I had a different history book in school.
First only Fauxbots make the idiotic assumption that anything distasteful that happens within a 5 miles/10 hour radius of an OWS event must somehow be the fault of OWS (an assumption which is itself an instance of the "Ad hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy). Second, bringing up these events as though they were indicative of the Movement's "behaviour" is both the Poison Well fallacy, and a fallacy of Compostion.
Learn to think critically. there are colleges, sit in on a course.
That's good, advice to think critically from a member of this movement. Learn to take constructive criticism. Or just continue thinking that you're right and everyone else is an idiot while the movement falters.
what have you said that could be said to be "constructive criticism" w/o straining the very concept to the point of incoherence?
So the Civil Rights movement did all of those disgusting things and that's what made them successful? No, they didn't do them and that's what made them successful. This group doesn't seem to have any decency or self control, quite unlike the Civil Rights movement. Take it for what it's worth.
You are only judging the minority of protesters.
You're known by who you associate with. And the Civil Rights movement and leaders would never have tolerated this disgusting behavior. They were peaceful and respectable on their end, and let the horrid actions of their opponents win them the argument. While this movement continues with it's aggressive, violent and despicable behavior you are only winning the argument for your opponents.
The movement is not necessarily aggressive, violent, and despicable. Most of the protestors here are peaceful.
If you say so... That's just not what the rest of the 99% are seeing. We'll see what happens tomorrow!
The point I am trying to make is that the actual purpose of the protest is not to crap on cars and rape female participants. Judging the protests by that small minority of idiots is by no means a way of discrediting the actual purpose.
But that's what's happening, despite and to the detriment of what the message is.
And while we're on it, what exactly is the message? I still have not been able to get a straight answer as to what the objective is. My guess from what ive heard and read is to change this from a capitalist to socialist country. Just let me know if I'm wrong.
Not all protesters want to change from Capitalism to Socialism, some just want heavier economic regulation, more like a welfare state.
They are not necessarily against Capitalism, they often just dislike what has happened to it.
I've get some news for you, heavier economic regulation like a welfare state is moving the economy more toward socialism and away from capitalism. So how is this movement not about socialism?
You are muddling Socialism and Leftism. The one category that this movement falls under is Leftism, not Socialism. Changing something more towards Socialism is not the same as changing to a Socialist country.
And the difference between leftism and socialism is...?
Also you can change a country towards socialism until one day you wake up and find yourself living in a socialist country. We're almost there already!
We are not even close to 'there'. America is one of the most neoliberal countries in the world.
You said in an earlier post that the purpose of the movement is to move from a Capitalist to a Socialist country. You later said that the purpose is to move more towards Socialism. The two are not necessarily the same.
So the stuff I read on here that looks just like Marx's writing is not there? Surely your not comparing forgiving student loans to the civil rights movement.
I thought I had a big head.
Note: NOT NECESSARILY Marxist
There are many Marxists on here. But there are many other people here too. The movement itself is not Marxist.
So what do you want other than to be freed from your chains. Sorry that's Lennon. No. not John.
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The people here do not necessarily conform to Marxist teachings. People who do not do so are not Marxists. Every religious person in the movement is not a Marxist; religious beliefs alone will shrink the number of Marxists to a minority.
I think you need to research into Marxism; it is spelled Lenin, not Lennon.
Ah Ha so you're a Leninist.
I am not a Leninist. I am a Democratic Socialist.
SO why do you know so much about him? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Ok Maoist?
Dude, what do you know so much about him? All I am saying is that you have no idea what you are talking about when you say that the OWS movement is Marxist.
Oh, and calling something Marxist is not supposed to discredit it.
It doesn't work and it leads to totalitarianism. So I'd say it not a go direction and there are a lot of Marxist sentiments on here.
OK, that is fine to say, although I do not agree with you. But calling the entire movement Marxist irrationally as a method for discrediting it is not OK.
Why not. I'm not for this movement. If I can point out the Marxist views and get my point across it's easier. beside I like labels.
You like labels, despite the fact that discrediting something by looking at the minority is a blatant logical fallacy? It is fine to be for or against the movement, but labeling things incorrectly is not a valid way of getting your point across.
Ok how does fascist sit with you. If you are trying to suppress the views of the people the label is Fascist. Print it out NICE and BIG and attach with a safety pin. Now walk with pride down the street wearing your self made badge of honor.
.. I suspect many support the movement from the safety of their homes. How will you find us all? By the way, what is it that you are fighting against? I thought the main critique is that there was no leadership, no demands, no direction. How could this possibly threaten your way of life?
Never assume you have safety in your own home and that they can't find you. The Jews did that once, ask them how it went.
No please stay home where you don't bother people.
I did stay home and by golly, you bothered me!
OWS protesters are misguided, lazy, and they're always looking to be the "victims". Well guess what, were all victims of life. Life isnt easy for anyone, so all you OWS protesters should go occupy a jail or get to work.