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Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 13, 2011, 10:40 p.m. EST by Dutchess (499)
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GOP and TP on Obama’s foreign policy “successes”

By Glenn Greenwald

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Prior to last night’s GOP foreign policy debate, the Center for American Progress Action Fund’s Think Progress blog — which has several good and independent commentators who do excellent work — announced that it had compiled a list of “what you won’t hear at tonight’s GOP foreign policy debate: Obama’s successes.” It is very worth reviewing what this self-proclaimed progressive site now — under a Democratic President – considers to be a “foreign policy success,” beginning with this:

Senior Al Queda Leader Anwar Al Awlaki killed.

As I pointed out just yesterday, many Democrats not only passively acquiesce to Obama’s continuation of core Bush/Cheney Terrorism policies, but enthusiastically cheer it as proof that they, too, can be Tough and Strong (manly virtues demonstrated by how many human beings their leader kills from afar). So here you have Think Progress heaping praise on Obama for seizing what is literally the most radical power a President can seize: the power to target — in total secrecy and with no checks or due process — their fellow citizens for execution: specifically, assassination-by-CIA. Worse, to justify what Obama has done, TP spouts a blatant falsehood (that Awlaki was “a senior Al Qaeda leader”), even though actual Yemen experts have mocked that claim mercilessly and the administration itself refuses to reveal any evidence whatsoever about what it did or why. Revealingly, TP trumpets the claim that “Al Awlaki’s death brought a damaging blow to Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)”; its link to justify that claim goes to the blog operated by the right-wing Heritage Foundation: that, quite understandably, is who TP must now cite as authoritative to justify Obama’s foreign policy conduct.

But what’s most notable here is how inaccurate TP’s prediction was: it turned out to be completely wrong that the Awlaki assassination was something “you won’t hear at tonight’s GOP foreign policy debate.” In fact, we heard a lot about it — from the GOP candidates who heaped as much praise on Obama as TP did for murdering this American citizen. Indeed, among the most vocal cheers of the night from the GOP South Carolina crowd — second only to its vocal swooning for the virtues of waterboarding — was when their right-wing candidates hailed Obama’s decision to kill Awlaki. http://www.salon.com/2011/11/13/gop_and_tp_on_obamas_foreign_policy_successes/singleton/

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[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 13 years ago

I got deleted. Interesting.

Let me see if I can repeat myself - what did I say?

I think I said that Carl Rove was one clever bastard.

I mean, think of it - the Tea Party - defending Obama?

They must be getting desperate.

I guess that means we'll all rush out to vote for some nimrod who says

Corporations are people too . . .

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 13 years ago

??

First..its Karl Rove and yes he was a bastard!

Secondly...The Tea Party was hijacked from the Ron P a u lRevolution by Corporatists and Neocons.

Ron Lawl is a libertarian and Ron P a u l said..Corporations are NOT people.

Sigh..when do people do their research?

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 13 years ago

Too true. If Bush was assassinating teenagers (or anyone) with drones, the left would be having one big collective stroke.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 13 years ago

Um, actually, Bush was killing people with drones . . .

and as I recall no one worried about the debt back then . . . and now it's a problem . . .

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 13 years ago

I only speak for myself, it has all been a problem for me the entire time, but not for everyone.

Some thought things were okay when Bush was in office and only complain now when Obama does the same, others vice versa. A few of us truly are only concerned about issues not personalities or parties.

We are here now & Obama is Pres. Everyone should be complaining about his trampling of civil liberties and his extreme war mongering.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 13 years ago

He is pulling us out of Afghanistan, and we are pretty much out of Iraq.

Some say there is no difference between parties, but I as you to consider

We have the largest embassy in the world - it sits in Bagdad - it was built with slave labor - and this under Bush.

This was done under Bush when the expectation was that we would be there 50 years or more. Not likely? Look at Korea . . .

Obama is actually getting us out.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 13 years ago

thank you !!!!!

[-] -2 points by Dutchess (499) 13 years ago

From the article

It took Ron P aul — whom every Good Progressive will tell you is Completely Crazy and Insane — to point out to the GOP the rather glaring inconsistency between, on the one hand, distrusting government authorities to run health care, but on the other, wanting to empower the President to kill whomever he wants with no transparency or due process. As Conor Friedersdorf wrote last year in Newsweek about who and what is “crazy”:

Forced to name the “craziest” policy favored by American politicians, I’d say the multibillion-dollar war on drugs, which no one thinks is winnable. . . . If returning to the gold standard is unthinkable, is it not just as extreme that President Obama claims an unchecked power to assassinate, without due process, any American living abroad whom he designates as an enemy combatant?

Crazy/Insane Ron P aul also objected to the killing under Obama not only of Awlaki, but, two weeks later, of Awlaki’s 16-year-old son, also a U.S. citizen, and his 17-year-old cousin. Think Progress forgot to include those dead teenagers on its list of Obama’s “foreign policy successes” — just as they forgot to include such smashing successes as this, this, this, this and this. But Ron P aul yet again showed how insane he is by pointing out that it’s a bad thing — both morally and prudentially — for the U.S. Government to run around continuously killing Muslim children from the sky. All Sane and Serious People know that the President has the right and the duty to keep killing Muslim teeangers such as Awlaki’s 16-year-old son; only crazies like Ron P aul object to such necessities.

Amen Glenn Greenwald. You are my hero next to Dr P aul!

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 13 years ago

Oh I get it. Divide and conquer.

good luck with that.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 13 years ago

No....its not divide and conquer.

Its OPEN your eyes and see Kucinich (D), Nader (GP, Paul (R) and Ventura (I) all say the same things!

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 13 years ago

and none of them are getting elected either - which leaves who again? Oh, right, either flipflop mitch or the muslim from africa . . .

I'll take the muslim, you know? I mean, I watched the first inauguration, and I just know ol' John just about peed his pants! That was so much fun, and then came the do-over - and I liked that so much I wanna see him do it again.

yeah-ya.

Anywayz . . . Like I said

good luck with that.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 13 years ago

Quitters never win and winners never quit

;)