Forum Post: King Barak
Posted 12 years ago on June 21, 2012, 9:39 a.m. EST by john23
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I'm not an Obama basher......I haven't been able to stand either side for the last few decades. Good article -
Here we go again. Is the Constitution merely a guideline to be consulted by those it purports to regulate, or is it really the supreme law of the land? If it is just a guideline, then it is meaningless, as it only will be followed by those in government when it is not an obstacle to their purposes. If it is the supreme law of the land, what do we do when one branch of government seizes power from another and the branch that had its power stolen does nothing about it?
Late last week, President Obama, fresh from a series of revelations that he kills whomever he pleases in foreign lands, that the U.S. military is actually fighting undeclared wars in Somalia and Yemen, and that the CIA is using cyber warfare – computers – to destabilize innocents in Iran, announced that he has rewritten a small portion of federal immigration law so as to accommodate the needs of young immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and remained here. By establishing new rules governing deportation, rules that Congress declined to enact, the president has usurped the power to write federal law from Congress and commandeered it for himself.
Immigrants should not be used as political pawns by the government. When government does that, it violates the natural law. Our rights come from our humanity, and our humanity comes from God. Our rights are natural and integral to us, and they do not vary by virtue of, and cannot be conditioned upon, the place where our mothers were physically located at the time of our births. Federal law violates the natural law when it interferes with whom you invite to your home or employ in your business or to whom you rent your property or with whom you walk the public sidewalks..............
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Is the Constitution merely a guideline ...................................
"Unless the mass retains sufficient control over those entrusted with the powers of their government, these will be perverted to their own oppression, and to the perpetuation of wealth and power in the individuals and their families selected for the trust. Whether our Constitution has hit on the exact degree of control necessary, is yet under experiment." --Thomas Jefferson
The law of the land until it is amended.
It's been amended 27 times before and WILL be again.
Absolutely, which is fine as that's the way the system was designed. If the people so choose through their representatives to change the law...so be it. If you want your president to be able to declare wars and assassinate american citizens so be it...but get it passed lawfully through your representatives in congress by support from the masses.
To outright ignore the law because you don't agree with it is entirely different. What if i walked into a store and stole a couple $100 steaks....i'm not aloud to because its the law. Without it total chaos would ensue. Noone is above the law...especially the members of congress and the administration.
"but get it passed lawfully through your representatives in congress .."
And therein lies the crux of the problem. Our representatives no longer represent us.... and haven't in quite some time. It is no secret that they pay more attention to lobby's, special interests, and campaign contributions than to their constituency..... doesn't seem to matter who gets elected in they all become corrupt, because the system itself has been corrupted.
So in theory working to change the system from within the system seems good at face value until you look much deeper. The system can no longer be changed from within, it can only be changed with a great deal of outside pressure being put on it.
It is the threat leveling our system and the resulting total chaos that will change the system and make the politicians call for a Constitutional Convention to meet the needs of the masses- to remove money from politics, to oust moneyed special interests who have more actual power than our individual votes combined.
couldn't agree with you more. The only way to make the system work for us is to take the money out of it. My theory is to cap government earnings while in office from all avenues of revenue (lobbyists, stocks, salary, whatever). These guys are supposed to be in there doing a patriotic duty. Provide a decent salary for them, but beyond that they are there to provide a patriotic duty and to sacrifice for the country. If money isn't taken out of the system at government level, nothing will ever change...it's impossible for it to as money breeds greed.
So how do you plan on having the politicians vote against their self interests, lawfully?
You mean until money is taken out of the system? The people still do have a lot of power believe it or not....enough people provide support for something and they will eventually cave...it's all about getting re-elected to keep the power and money juices rolling in.
"The people still do have a lot of power believe it or not..."
Maybe you could elaborate on that because for the past 40 or so years voting hasn't worked.
The people still do have power but they've become largley detached from the system. When was the last time they demanded or understood that a president can't go to war without the approval of congress? Or anything important dealing with congress for that matter....jaywalking on jay leno is a perfect example of the understanding most have of government and what occurs. American's (the majority) occupy their time off with reality TV and video games.....a lot of what has occurred can be blamed on us through our ignorance of what is going on.
"The people still do have power but they've become largley detached from the system. When was the last time they demanded or understood that a president can't go to war without the approval of congress?"
Vietnam.
And it took 10 years and 53,000 lost lives, ten times more disabled.... mothers marching in the streets with antiwar protesters before it stopped.
And the 'system' resorted to extreme violence, shooting and killing innocent kids, intense beatings of protesters, and did their best to undermine the movement.
....jaywalking on jay leno is a perfect example of the understanding most have of government and what occurs.
If you believe this then you personally spend too much time watching TV. If you get out and talk to people this is not the case. Jay Leno is entertainment and edits his vids for comic relief on his show.
This is the same argument that right wingers use against the youth of the day. That they are ignorant, have no ambition, don't understand how the system works and are apathetic.
Stereotypes like this and Jay Leno's view of Americans have a tiny bit of truth to them so the gullible buy into the stereotype wholesale. However, proof that this isn't true is OWS and the Arab Spring movements across the world. Todays people are a lot more tech savvy and sharp.... and aren't taking it any more.
I wouldn't really consider 1973 very recent. And if you look there was very large support of the war at the beginning of it in 1964 by the general public. Today it's 20x worse because military drafts don't exist, war is largely fought by private contractors....and american's don't feel the penny pinch because the government just prints the money to fund them. Americans are completely detached from the wars and what is really going on overseas.
Yeah i definitely don't agree that most americans are knowledgeable about current events and how government functions...the youth argument i can see...definitely more so than middle aged to older people. Most who tune in usually get brainwashed by fox or MSNBC and believe that to be real news.
So civil rights mean nothing ?
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
So you would remedy the problem by putting total lawmaking power into the hands of 1 individual? Allowing him to assassinate american citizens without due process...to imprison Americana for life and be sent away without due process? To declare war and commit our troups without a thorough debate by the congress? My argument is that the administration and government included must work within the confines of the law...period. Whether it be democratic or repub. The current administration is not doing this...and the previous one didn't either. Laws have been broken...and proper action should be taken against those individuals...whether or not they be the president.
Sorry I misunderstood your point. You and I are on the same page here. All of your points are well taken and I concur.
Cheers.
more fox bs
napolitano is another shill for grover/rupert/koch/alec
yeah i wouldn't put judge into that category...he was just as critical of bush as obama....i agree with you about Fox though....trash...just like MSNBC or CNN.