Forum Post: Just visited NY and no OWS present
Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 8, 2012, 6:56 p.m. EST by Macgee
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The OWS movement in NY is no longer present. I was hoping to visit and speak with some but could not find anyone associated with the protest. I was sympathetic to the movement but the feeling I got from most New Yorker's was they were glad OWS was gone. Does OWS have anything planned for 2012 or is it going to continue to be a leaderless movement with no direction.
Just in case a person in NYC wants to find #OWS-there is no way you could possibly fail to find #OWS if you go to 60 Wall street in Lower Manhattan.I am sure there are people protesting in and around Zucotti park and at the Federal Building at the corner of Broad and Wall Streets every day.If you go to the Wall Street area looking for protesters and don't find any,the problem is easy to fix-find a piece of paper or cardboard,find a pen or a pencil,make a sign and start protesting the corporate and government policies that are destroying our country.At that point you will have found the beating heart of #OWS.Enjoy!
Ummm . . . did you drag this post out of the dark? I responded to the Post before I noticed that the post is 8 months old.
I have no idea how this point came to be in a place where I managed to see it.I did see that it was a very old post,but I kept running across it and decided to add information to tell new people and those not familiar with the city how to find #OWS while also letting people know that #OWS is not ultimately about what OTHER people are doing or not doing-The people who started the protests wanted the protests and became the protests that they wanted.
Just curious - it is weird how some stuff will pop up.
I really am not that conversant with how the forum actually works & I don't even know if everybody is seeing the same thing when they log in.I feel like people need to get used to the idea that a demonstration of one person is the same as a demonstration of 1 million.If #OWS becomes like that,it will be unstoppable...
Everyone needs to stand-up and Speak-out.
It's a dying group, it is like secondary if even that for news now
There was supposed to be a dozen near the park on Saturday but they must have decided to bag it??
pass these along next time.. this is what the first occupiers demanded.
http://www.rightsofman.org/thomas-paine/content/56-rebuttals-to-anyone-on-rights-of-man
The people of England, wearied and stunned with parties, and alternately deceived by each, had almost resigned the prerogative of thinking. Even curiosity had expired, and a universal languor had spread itself over the land. The opposition was visibly no other than a contest for power, whilst the mass of the nation stood torpidly by as the prize.
In this hopeless state of things, the First Part of the Rights ofMan made its appearance.
OWSNY=Epic fail.......we make noise to feel better about ourselves but accomplish nothing.
Most recent Chomsky interview on Occupy. Watch!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se-Nq_rBQHk
pass these along next time.. this is what the first occupiers demanded.
http://www.rightsofman.org/thomas-paine/content/56-rebuttals-to-anyone-on-rights-of-man
The people of England, wearied and stunned with parties, and alternately deceived by each, had almost resigned the prerogative of thinking. Even curiosity had expired, and a universal languor had spread itself over the land. The opposition was visibly no other than a contest for power, whilst the mass of the nation stood torpidly by as the prize.
In this hopeless state of things, the First Part of the Rights ofMan made its appearance.
You should have gone to the atrium at 60 Wall Street. Plenty of OWS/NYCGA there. But that would have required you to know something about the movement, rather than just being a totally checked-out douche nozzle.
Does OWS have anything planned for 2012? Yes.
Will it continue to be leaderless? It never has been leaderless.
No direction? Try every direction. All Roads Lead to Revolution
Do us all a favor Mcgeek, take off your tin foil hat, switch off the Glenn Beck show, find a fucking human heart to put in your chest for once in your sad myopic little life, and open your fucking mind...you know, that thing between your ears where you keep your misogynistic porn, Nascar statistics, and KKK marching songs?
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but if i turn off glenn, wher will i get my newz ? or is that noose ? and
how can i unfold my hat and put it back on the roll ?
You used Moms tin foil again??!!!!?? You're gonna get it when Dad gets home!!
Thanks for the giggles. Well done. ;-))
In a million years, I would not want to follow any movement that would have YOU as its member. You are a disgrace to the OWS movement. Go home, drug your wife up so maybe someone in the world would care about what comes out of your ugly mouth.
So you joined the sight today (Jan. 8) I see on your profile. Are you McGee's sockpuppet I wonder?
I don't really care. Fact of the matter is the OP is total douche nozzle. He shows up here to gloat about the movement being over based upon a single (more likely than not fictitious) visit to a place where everyone knows that the movement no longer meets. Then he fails to go to the place less than two blocks away (60 Wall Street) where the movement is in fact openly and publicly meeting and planning.
if the OP is too fucking stupid to know what everyone following OWS with seriousness has known for than a month, and is on the basis of their total fucking ignorance going to come in here and gloat about the movement being over, then I say, with all sincerity, fuck them. They deserve ridicule. I will give them civil, enlightened, discourse when they show themselves capable of reciprocating.
this movement been trolled. instead of place gathering in one particular area, - movement separated to multiple platforms, easy to break it down. instead of protest the upcoming political event, - we are babbling right after event has effect. hmmm. have a piece of mind, don't be involved in political game. speak for yourself :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGWkPBpMaY the OW is not over yet
Idiot
There are two actions planned for this weekend, for MLK day, then January 17 a lot of us are going to D.C. to occupy congress. On the 29th there is going to be a mobile occupation, location tba. We've actually been pretty busy, but the media is mostly showing basketball and Newt Gingrich, yawn.
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I head the finance section is in Spain worrying about what to do with the cash.
Sounds like a scam and some people ran off with the money.
Did you hear? Linguists named "Occupy" as 2011's word of the year. Do you still think the movement is really gone?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/07/us/2011-word-of-year/index.html
we all wish you were gone beautifulworld, not.
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OWS is at 60 Wall Street every day of the week. But let me guess--you went to Zuccotti Park, from which OWS was evicted about two months ago. LOL...try to keep up with the news, you halfwit...
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I think the person posting was probably making reference to the lack of seeing anyone. With the publicity and rage I would guess you would see tons of people protesting.
"but the feeling I got from most New Yorker's was they were glad OWS was gone."
yeah, I bet they are happy they're gone, terrorist like them should be gone. all they want is to destroy the economic infrastructure of their Nation and make life a pain in the ass for them because they don't want to actually earn their own money, they want it handed to them, I'm glad I don't live there
Ho Hum another asshole pisses on the board, move along.
yeah, one asshole to the thousand assholes that support this movement, have people almost lose their jobs for not showing to work because they can't get there from you blocking them from getting there or the small businesses that lost business because you decided to block their business when they have a hard enough time trying to keep their own business, performing terrorist acts by throwing smoke bombs in a subway during the busiest times of the day. Raping innocent people in the middle of parts, doing drugs and soiling public property, Keeping people up all night when they needed to work in the morning just so they can keep food on the table, Scaring and tormenting children as try and get to school..... Did I miss anything?
It's plans are to promote class warfare and undermine the common good. The plan is to promote union entitlement mentality propaganda. the plan is to help get Obama elected to further destroy the USA.
Ahhh..No. ..
Class warfare? That's been an ongoing issue, with the rich attacking the poor...
The banks, unions, politicians and just about everyone in this country has some dependency on the system and feels entitled to government swag...
Obama: I'll vote for someone else if the republicans can find a candidate that doesn't suffer from involuntary drooling or isn't totally freaking insane.
I'd vote for RonPaul but no one wants him because he'd ruin everyone's party (gang banging average Americans) and not just the poor and middle class..
What else you got?
Anybody but Obama or Ron Paul will suit me fine. Am aware of all the negatives with Republican candidates...am more than willing to take a gamble on Newt, MItt or Rick,.....No problem. (ps. shut off CNN and MSNBC)
With Obama/Newt/Mitt/Rick you'll be getting exactly what the elite want..It's no gamble. But that's ok, let's keep things going just like they are...
PS: All MSM is propaganda..I only watch it to see what incredible fabrication they'll pull out of their bought off hats.
I do alternative news: In fact my little FB page does it all: http://nickhowdy.com on twitter also..
Well who do you think will be running that we will have a chance to vote for? I say get O out... We need a Ronald Reagan....To bad the media has done a hatchet job on Pat Buchanan
I am NOT a Reagan fan. His "trickle down" economics BS was part of what caused this mess.
It's going to take more than an election to fix what is going on here...What we need is a legislative and executive branch more frightened of the people than the corporations...
They need to start representing the people ..or else.
Tar and feathers?
You're getting there..
OWS is for direct democracy, not representative democracy
Perhaps, but I like them anyway. Can direct democracy protect free press? A change doesn't always bring about good. Bypassing bureaucracy, is a good aim, but not an achievable goal.
One can carp about how things don't work, or marvel at how they do or better yet, actually participate in making them work.
I think that a new system will bring new bureaucrats. I like nickhowdy's "or else" comment as well as any I've read on this forum. It's worth participating in, even if he left out the Judicial and Fed appointees. Thanks.
Direct democracy to a considerable degree counterposes itself to representative democracy and to the institutions of representative democracy.
We the people, got us into this mess. Unjust scales are illegal, but where's the justice?
Hey..How about this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/72299569/A-Vision-for-a-New-Democracy.
Possible after much social and economic chaos...throw in some pestilence, rivers of blood, raining frogs and swarming locusts for good measure.
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true....big issue: The unions own all of the politicians. Can a leader get elected who is not owned by unions? Am feeling negative about this likelihood. we are being screwed by leaders paying back unions...that they owe.
The United States has the weakest labor movement and the most restrictive labor laws of any industrialized democracy
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Oh please...The unions need more $$, and more give aways ?? overtime abuse rampant in my town among police and firemen, They are retiring w/ 6 figure pensions. The unions owning the politicians is the biggest problem. snap out of it..You must have guzzled that koolaid.
Unions gave us the week end, the 8 hour day, overtime pay, paid vacations, social security and many other benefits too numerous to mention. Most important, the labor movement is literally the only institution the exists in America to protect working people. It is the only thing that stands between us and the complete destruction of a democratic culture. As organizations the most corrupt union is more democratic than the best corporation.
And none of that speaks to my original point which was that the American labor movement is the weakest labor movement of any industrialized democracy on the face of the Earth. At this point barely 10% of the American work force has successfully organized itself whereas in Europe union membership is typically 50 or 60 per cent of the work force.
What is more the Uniited States it the only industrialized democracy in the world where there is no Labor Party. Both major parties in the US are capitalist parties, not labor parties. It is the Democratic Party that owns the labor movement, not the other way around and the fact is organized labor has not gotten shit for such fealty.
10,000 workers a year are fired for trying to organize a union, a violation of the National Labor Relations Act, but their so called Democratic allies do not do a thing to help them. More than two thirds of the Labor Board decisions are ruled against labor, again, no Democrat comes to the aide of labor. In spite of going all out for labor the Obama administration did nothing to pass the Employee Free Choice Act, the one thing on labor's agenda that it wanted from the Democrats. Organized labor has been taking a beating from the Democratic Party at least since the days of the Carter administration.
I agree with Big Bill Haywood. Nothing is too good for the working class. Solidarity forever.
European work habit and employment culture is not something to strive for. (ie, Greece) It is something to shun. Our leaders are owned by union interests. Politicians taking the support of civil service unions are obviously exhibiting conflicted interests, that is detrimental to the taxpayer. Unions once were beneficial....but now are destructive to the common good, You have drank the koolaid and sound like a communist.
The Greek working class is showing some real spirit of fighting back against a draconian bourgeois regime. With any luck they will overthrow the whole fucking system which most certainly is something for the American working class to emulate.
All the hard evidence in terms of the relative powerlessness of the American labor movement suggests that it is the unions that own the borgeois political parties rather than the other way around. Unlike European unions and the political parties of the European working class, the American labor movement completely accepts the ideology of capitalism.
Uniions ARE the common good. The very first thing that Hitler went after was not the Jews, or the Communists, or the Socialiists, it was the labor unions. The first institution that any totalitarian system needs to get rid of to consolidate its power is the labor union.
That unions were once beneficial but are now destructive of the common good sounds like something you heard Rush Limbaugh say. Think about what you are writing. If you really believe that at what exact historical point do you think unions became destructive of the common good. The second unions disappear will be the second that the 40 hour work week, over time, the minimium wage and countless other benefits that the labor movement brought us will also disappear. Unions are the very backbone of a vital democracy.
Where do I begin.....Here is yet another example why our economy is sputtering. Businesses don’t like unions. Unions have destroyed many American businesses. Look at Detroit. It’s a wreck. Unions did to Detroit what that tornado did to Tuscaloosa and what hurricane Hugo did to Florida. Businesses – particularly the auto industry – will not be so anxious to rebuild Detroit because these businesses know that the unions are still lurking in the shadows in Michigan ready to strike – ready to throw sand into the gears of any engine of economic recovery. Ready to destroy again.
Businessmen recognize that unions are a destructive force in our economy. And since businesses don’t particularly like unions, businesses aren’t going to be anxious to expand so long as there is a president in the white house who is determined to do all that he can to promote union growth, not only in the government but in the private sector.
Make no mistake, the principal purpose for radical unions is manipulation of our election process & to minimize or, rather, to effectively eviscerate an employer's legitimate opportunity to express its views about collective bargaining.
Of course businesses don't like unions. Unions are democratic, businesses aren't. American unions don't have the least interest in destroying businesses. Personally I wish they did. I think both the working class and the nation in general would be much better off if American labor unions were a good deal more radical than they actually are. But they aren't. They are firmly committed to capitalism, which is part of the reason they have lost so much power in the last 60 years. (the labor movement peaked in 1946 and its been down hill ever since).
It is true that objectively unions tend to be anti-capitalist even when they are consciously pro-capitalist. That is the nature of unions as organizations. Much as they try to deny it, they are class organizations. You can't be a boss and be in a union of workers. Unions are working class organizations. There mere formation is a recognition of class struggle even if they consciously deny it (which they do).
The logic of labor organization is really a post capitalist society even when unions are in open conscious denial of that. I don't think union leaders are disingenuous about this. I think they are truly torn on the question.
You know, the Nazis and even nonfascist conservative German parties were saying exactly the same thing about unions in Germany at the end of the Weimar republic. Conservatives and the bourgoisies always see unions as a threat and from their point of view unions are a threat to the class society they seek to perpetuate. Unfortunately bourgeois thought is so pervasive in American culture that it poisons the minds, not only of the middle class, but also of the labor movement itself.
Unions aren't especially radical or they wouldn't be supporting a moderate political hack like Obama. A seriously political labor movement would have long ago broken with the Democratic Party and set up a Labor Party in the interest of all working people, which would be something for you addled brain to be seriously worried about rather than the inconsequential crap that seems to bother you so much.
Obama got more money from Wall Street than any other candidate in history. That's who's running him, and the timid labor movement follows along with their tail between their legs at their peril.
Most labor leaders don't think so, but I personally don't think employers have any legitimacy. And I'd be the happiest person in the world to see the whole capitalist system come crashing down around the world and the working people build a new world on the ashes of the old.
The relationship of big union to democratic politicians is boiled down to the essentials, union backing of leftist politicians is good business: Democrats push policies that benefit union bosses at the expense of employers, customers, and often the unions’ own members. This is doubly true of public unions; of course someone who gets rich taking money from government workers wants bigger government!
The case for union reform is tough to make due to Big Labor’s dishonestly political nature. Claiming to speak for all teachers/mechanics/factory workers/Middle Class Americans, unions have a rhetorical curtain thick enough to hide tens of millions in partisan spending. Democrats gain loyal constituents, union bosses get to make unsustainable promises, and corporations take the blame when jobs are cut or shipped overseas.
No reason to believe you, sweet pea. You came here for BS and it now defines you.
wow..I'm hurt
Oh, look, you logged out and logged in as someone else.
Hahahahahahaha.
Of course it's fun for you, that is how we know you are a sociopath.
I would love to see thing from your perspective...but I am unable to get my head that far up my ass.
You seem to have an odd need to start BS.
says and expert on bovine defecation, but starting and finishing nothing substantive
it is fun and cheap too.
More BS. You're a sociopath.
GirlFriday, the psychopath, wishes she were a mere sociopath!
You seem to have an odd need to label people. Try looking at yourself first. What's your label? That shut you up...you ignorant trollop.
Actually Laura, your head is that far up your ass. That is your primary problem. :D
Have a blessed day!!!
Yes, European work habits and employment culture before the movement to open for 24 hours etc., is something to strive for.
I do not understand. open 24 hours? are you talking about seven eleven? do you live in NY? I think you must live out west some where. You don't seem down w/ the NY culture.
Your not familiar with the European work habits are you?
I didn't expect you to understand.
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I have family in three different countries in Europe...and have visited many times. I know,,,You don't believe me.
Kept your dumb ass busy for 20 minutes, huh? :D
So says the alt that is unemployed and, therefore, does not pay taxes.
your reply is not comprehensible. who are you talking about?
She talks out of her unused douche bottle of a colostomy bag mouth. Stand back, far away back, FEMA and the EPA will be on this HazMat scene soon.
You are very funny. comment appreciated. I had a rather fruitless, frustrating discussion with her/it.
Still having problems with coming up with your own moniker!!!!
Is that you, John Bassist?
Good call. Go back to Justin Bieber.
More lies?
Save it. At some point, your mother is going to want her computer back.
you are right. I'm going to listen to my Justin Bieber cd right now. have a nice evening Mamm.
You don't have a degree in Chemistry. You are lying. Again. You don't have a job and you don't pay taxes.
All of the above is true..I have been paying a ton of taxes my whole life. and helping the masses on welfare who wish to stay home.
You LIED!!!
I am SHOCKED! SHOCKED!!
Not really. I seriously doubt that you work or pay taxes, the odds are that you are writing a bunch of BS now as well.
what ever..everybody is writing a bunch of nonsense here. I thought that stuff about women's studies was funny. Who would major in that? I have a BS in chemistry.
Oh, sure you work and pay taxes. So much for the useless degree that you acquired and living with your parents.
what are you talking about? That stuff I wrote about Sarah Lawrence and women's studies, the other day was a bunch of BS. I work full time..I live near that school.
You.
I work and am heavily taxed...you are off base and illogical. wise up...You are writing a lot of weird stuff on this site. where do you live?
Unions represent about 9% of the workforce...The big money comes from Corporations...
Snap out of it NIck. the unions own the politicians. Surely you are not in denial about that.
Give it a break...If it weren't for the Unions, the working class would have already been destroyed and you would be working for a Foxxconn type factory in a FEMA work camp complaining about how Unions got destroyed. . Hey with so many people out there like you, we might be going to the work camp anyway..It's OK..."Arbeit macht frei" ...really isn't death freedom?
As for Unions owning anyone, It's not as much as corporations...If Unions had the kind of power you describe we wouldn't have all the fucked up "Free Trade" agreement that screw the American worker..
Are you for the American worker?
gerard, trumpka and stern,........in partnership with soros = owners of obama.
word capella...These OWS types are little brained, easily manipuated dolts....who think this whole BS group is akin to being @ Woodstock in the age of aquarius.
though i appreciate the advice, i don't agree. the woodstock hippy dippies were interested is sex, drugs and rock and roll. no interest in politics. ows people are are mix of ages . while they have an interest in sex and drugs, it's just a sidebar. for them the main event is politcs. they have been indoctrinated into liberalism. liberalism is a mental disease and they don't even know they have it.
They are a dangerous ignorant group...I am sick of their brainwashed 99%, 1 % propaganda, crap. They aren't going away...because Obama supports them...and vice versa...they will be here, backed by big bucks... till they get O elected in 2012.
ows is a phony protest. it's created to bring divisivness which exactly what the 0bama criminal organization want. They need a scapegoat.......the so-called " 1 % " to divert attention from his destruction of the USA.
Since they actually did it, they are not scapegoats.
There is no "reply" under your last few posts. It seems to happen from time to time for various sceen names. By the way , i don't drink. never liked the taste or effects.
You should start drinking then. Something is defiantly affecting your thinking.
under your last few posts there is no "reply".
Must be that new alcohol detecting software.
I see a reply button under every one.
0bama's donors .
You should quit drinking.
You can't even find the correct post to respond to anymore.
Blame the rich is the mantra of the ows and the dems/libs.
You do remember who got some, $1,000,000,000,000+?
Of course not.
Bingo..I am sympatico.. you have an honest perspective re the purpose of this make believe diversion for gullible, bored, lazy, misfits. I am afraid they will get the king back in.
It's along way from here to there.
No matter who gets the republican nomination, back that person. Remember,......ABO, Anyone But Obama. Why do think holder and the dems are against a photo I.D to vote? They need fraud to win and a photo I.D. would not be in their best interest.
Of course...I will back the opposition of O...all the way. Problem> that little weasel Ron Paul runs as a 3rd party candidate. Puts O back in.
Stern is retired and and bad as they are Gerard and Trumpka would have nothing to do with even an enlightened capitalist like Soros. Though it is true that they lack the spine to break with the Democratic Party.
stern is not the head of seiu anymore but his influence is NOT retired. gerard and trumpka are regular visitors to the WH. trumpka (with obama present on the podium) said his union members were obama's army. soros and "enlightened capitalist"????????????? he funds moveon, media matters, mediaite, open society, and obama.
Well AFL CIO headquartes is just across Layfayette Park from the White House, so visiting there wouldn't exactly be a big chore for Trumka. Steel workers headquarters, on the other hand is in Pittsburg and Gerard is a Canadian citizen.
If they really are visiting the White House all that much they certainly haven't gotten shit for all their trouble. Obama basically ignored the Employee Free Choice Act, the central piece of legislation that organized labor wanted passed. There has been no labor law reform, no significant rise in the minimum wage. No extension of unemployment benefits. 10,000 workers a year still get fired for trying to start a union, so no matter how chummy labor leaders are with Obama they are really not getting shit for it.
If that's what you believe , that's fine with me.
The American labor movement is pathetically weak. One of the indications of the weakness of the American labor movement is not only how few workers are in unions (less than 10% of the work force whereas in Europe union membership is more like 50 or 60% of the work force), but also, labor's total lack of political independence in the US.
The United States is the only industrialized democracy in the world where the labor movement does not have its own political party. The Democratic Party is not a labor party. It is just another capitalist party and labor leaders support it at their peril.
what the current heads of the large unions care about is money and power,............... the worker, not so much
I'm for democratic unionism and as such I'm not especially enamoured of anyone holding an elected position in a union above that of shop steward. That said, I don't think they are especially drivien by financial interests. Most are extremely talented administrative functionaries who could make a great deal more in the corporate world than in the labor movement. Indeed corporations are constantly trying to buy off labor leaders, especially at the local and regional level by offering them lucrative corporate positions. What is truly amazing is how few union leaders take such offers.
Most union leaders have a sincere commitment to bettering the lives of their members and in the case of a handful of more progressive leaders of the working class as a whole. But after years in administrative positions they also tend to develop a rather conservative bureaucratic mind set. It is also the case, especially for those leaders who rose up out of menial positions, that they would much rather keep the job they have than perhaps return to he drugery from whence they came. Also, in their leadership positions they tend to hang out more with people from a higher social class and they get used to that kind of socialization to the point where it would be most uncomfortable for most of them to have to return to the shop floor. All of this exerts very powerful conservatizing pressures on the labor leadership and tends to make them less responsive to the demands of the rank and file.
Murdock fan, eh?
No, are you?
Quite the opposite.
Your 'opinions' are highly informed by him.
'opinions ' should be "opinions" highly informed by him should be formed by him.
' ' and " " are pretty much interchangeable out here on the tubes, but it was not a quote and so was correct.
Usage of the word informed, is also correct.
Would you like me to rephrase it?
Don't bother. Your brain needs a rest.
1 It's not an opinion.
2 " Your 'opinions' are highly informed by him".
Why come down to your level?
It would be silly. I was being polite.
Would you prefer that I rephrase it?
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