Forum Post: Just Remember, This is the System We Are Endorsing
Posted 10 years ago on Oct. 6, 2014, 6:26 p.m. EST by turbocharger
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Who is we?
The vast majority of the people in the USA
The vast majority of people don't believe sociopaths real and as prevalent as they are. We also aren't willing to do anything like they are to win. We need to out these people for what they are. People who have no empathy are preying on society. They are dangerous. Most people aren't bad, they are just naive. Sociopaths are good at mimicking being empathetic. They are genius at manipulation...a lot of people don't even realize what has happened and that they got on a ride they didn't know they were getting on when they follow these people or go along with them ...until it is too late.
There are 3 questions for children when they finish Kindergarten and are candidates for entry into 1st grade: 1)These 2 things look completely different but are actually the same.Can you tell me why they are the same?(child is shown a picture of a German Shepard and a Beagle) 2)These 2 things look the same but are actually totally different.Can you tell me why they are different?(child is shown a picture of a car and a tractor) 3) One of these things is not like the others.Can you tell me which one is different? (child is shown a picture of two models and a mannequin dressed in identical clothing) A child who cannot answer correctly is deemed not ready to enter the first grade.Nevertheless,it is not unusual to encounter adults who are seriously handicapped by an inability to distinguish between appearances and reality.This is likely due to the emphasis placed on superficial appearance in our culture.I have done numerous field experiments on unwitting subjects in order to get an idea of how relatively easy it is to dupe ordinary people by manipulating visual appearances.My conclusion,based on experiments and research.is that it is as easy to deceive the public by appearances as it is to misdirect tourists in Manhattan,or eat fresh baked pie with a fork.In short-it's way too easy.
Also is this a profession for which you do this... or have you got someone tied up in your basement? Not that I will nesc. believe the answer.
I am an artist.I create images of various kinds,for various reasons.Nowadays my art projects are under my own control.The type of art I create has been affected by the adverse economic conditions to a certain extent.I have worked as an artist and as a consultant in the Northeastern United States.When I started out in art,I decided to specialize in 2 areas-3D and color.Most of the(rather unethical)experiments I have done on unwitting subjects are related to the psychology of color.I have discovered that there are distinct regional differences with regard to color preferences.I admit that it was wrong to do even non-invasive experiments on people without telling them.I can't really say I wish I hadn't done the experiments,to be honest.
Phew so no need to check any basements I think ...to throw in another layer we have to wade through a non human interfacing device in our communications.
No.I one of my responsibilities is to promote the interests of my clients-The People.I am a People's Artist.Not the best pay,but very good Job Satisfaction.I am have sworn to never be corrupted by pecuiniary interests and to stop Bad Art and abuse of Art Techniques as best I can.And to use the Techs to promote good things only.
though I think the exorcism stuff a bit off kilter...I guess until I become possessed I will have to think it a strange addition to a rather interesting conversation http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gbi3UtTLRZE
Ok had to look up pecuiniary
So u sell nothing? Do you have a day job? Add to that are you good? Do you teach lessons?
I really enjoyed the vid-thanx! The production values on stuff from the 80's seems Hilariously dated now-back in the 80's was when I discovered that book.M.Scott Peck has passed away.The Road Less Traveled is a lovely book.He probably helped many people in his practice.A little to much Christianity for me though.It is weird how the 60's and 90's&Aughts don't seem as goofy and dated as the 70's &80's.Maybe it's just me.
I have some sales-things ain't like they used to be.I have an extremely cheap living situation that is very uncommon nowadays.I collect a small disability check on account of a seizure disorder.I sell Antiques-business there again-not what it once was.I do alot of pro bono work for local businesses who need signs,graffiti removal,commercial art-things like that.I am not a Failure as an artist-but most people would consider my career to be a Failure.For my training I can say I have been trained by Some of the Best in the Business.Whether I have surpassed them in skill or not is arguable.Commissions I have completed were deemed satisfactory,and the Customers were often very pleased with my work.The training and experience I have places me at an executive level in Art.I felt terrible about the failure of my Career for a long time.Now I know it was a Blessing in Disguise because Careerism can cause a Failed Artist whose Career is Successful.Am I good? The only way I can answer that question is to say that the art that I create does what it is Supposed to do.It takes many years of creating art that does Not do what it is Supposed to do to get to a Point where you are able to create art that Does what it is Supposed to do every time.I have managed to reach that point.Whether you would like my work is another matter.Most people who see it do like it,and when money was not so tight I always had good sales.
The economy has not been kind to the arts (not sure if it has ever been) but it does seem that like all fields lately it is flooded...with a lot of and I'm gonna say it mediocre crap. No not everything is good . And why the hell is art school so pricey now? Like more than ivy league schools? I'm happy anytime artists can eek out a living but I've got this nagging feeling quite a lot of pissant elite off spring are getting listed by their parents clique of elite friends and associations buying their works. You get some big sales and that determines your worth. So a lot of people who have hit the grindstone and paid their dues are getting shafted by galleries...people who didn't get to call themselves artists until they had achieved a level of technique, mastery, and ideas through discipline and struggle which it sounds like you've done are getting the cold shoulder. I hope I'm wrong on my theory. I hope it also is not another way for the rich to launder and hide money from the tax man.
Art markets-and art dealers are totally corrupt.The dealers are so bad that they will lie,cheat.extort,steal and even kill to get ahead in the Biz.There is no longer any classical training for artists in the US-those who wish to take up classical study must go abroad.The reason why it was abolished? Students are now Customers-as are the Parents.The customers Complained because classical study of art is"too hard." I don't think many people who have to pay off loans and earn a living can fool around with a BFA or MFA anymore.Teaching jobs are going away because there ain't no A in STEM.I'm not opposed to there being a more affluent class of people who can afford to collect art.Income inequality such as we see today is grotesque and unjust-way beyond prosperous doctors and lawyers dropping 50G on art for their offices and 2 houses.Trying to beat sales taxes or other taxes by buying art will land a rich person's ass deep in shit.That is how the troubles of that Worldcom dude who got sent up started,if I remember correctly-LOL
It's not the fault of the victims...there are so many subtle nuances to human behavior it can be hard enough to figure them out as is without an expert sociopath preying on subtleties and perception no one really teaches you this stuff growing up...how to watch out for psychos...this has nothing to do with physical appearance I might add. It is a mental chess game though sociopaths do know how to twist reality so they appear to be the rational normal person in the conflicts they create. We need to be aware these types of people are around us...also fool me once etc. Bullying education has brought some awareness. Only can't teach a sociopath empathy...only how to mimic it. For children with dysfunctional parents it is even harder to recognize predatory behavior in others because they aren't taught to watch out for bad people..they are taught to trust and forgive them.
I agree-the people who are victimized by sociopaths are not to blame,nor does their victimization indicate stupidity.I often wondered why the people I encountered in life were so nasty.I realized that I was somehow attracting "bad people." I still had no clue until I ran across a book called "People of the Lie," by Scott Peck.Then many mysteries about my life were explained.Further research caused me to become well versed in the various ways to spot these people.But there is no way to prevent them from getting their foot in the door.You can only spot them after they go through a few paces.All of this goes back to the basic tragic irony of Human Beings-our greatest strength-the Human Brain-is also our greatest weakness.The whole subject is of great interest and importance.
Thanks for that ... yep i agree and think it's the key to our problem and the reason we are here on this forum or involved in this movement. We have inadvertently given bad people too much power over us. Now that we recognize it ... we must figure out how to get it back. It isn't easy is it! How do we put this cat back in the bag?
It will be a real piece of work getting enough people on the same page.The consent of those who are ruled is needed by those who would rule.Consent needs to be revoked.Interestingly,revocation of consent by less than half of the people is enough to cause the changes we need.If I remember correctly-it's way less than half.
I am not smart enough to figure this out...anyone out there maybe? How do you get people to revoke rule ? Keep in mind these are not people who would ever question that they should rule...and feel entitled to their position. So coercion ? Do we have to aggressively force them out? Do we just need to out them? Or do we submit and hope the truth comes out? This is a big question. They say we need to punch bullies in the nose. Hmm..this is a problem we all face in our daily lives on an individual level as well as on the grander scale on a societal level. Who is the bad guy. Is it him or me? And how do we determine this? How do we confront others or prevent them from crossing appropriate boundaries? What is the best way forward taking care we aren't scapegoating?
The consent of those who are to be ruled is required by those who would rule.By this I mean,it is possible for those who others seek to rule to behave in such a way as to make them "ungovernable." A recent example of an entire country of people who declined to be ruled is Egypt.Occupy is the beginning of the same process in the US.I don't know if you were able to get an eyefull of what Lower Broadway looked like in the last couple of weeks of September 2011 and thru October and part of November-but it was an unprecedented Scene.No such public demonstrations of Anger, Fear and Panic have been seen in the Wall Street area since 1929.Even then,it was not the same.There is a kind of Structural Deficiency in the Economy that guarantees another Huge economic Crash.I am confident that many people will take to the streets then,because there is no way for Uncle Sam to paper the losses over a second time.Everything ground to a halt because the confidence that Capitalism relies upon in order to function was GWTW.The System Fell and Could Not Get Up without major assistance.Without access to their bank accounts,with no jobs to go to,with major delivery systems unable to function,the public is likely to get even more angry and take to the Streets.Hopefully it will be DC that feels the Sting of their unhappiness,along with all of the State Capitals-and the Miscreants on Wall Street as well-of course.
http://m.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath
i thought those were just spam trolls
Koch's & company?
The main factor here is that people are vulnerable because we believe in things like God but we don't believe in sociopaths. We don't thing people could be capable of evil...and we are quick to dismiss it or think it is not real. Sociopaths exist and they live to prey upon good people who want to see the good in others. So they can do things right out in the open and not get caught because even when they can see it most of society won't believe their own minds and perception.We need a healthy dose of cynicism and paranoia or we will end up on their plates.
And the god that government invokes = In God We Trust & One Nation Under God. By all evidence it would appear that that God invoked would be Mammon.
You honed in on the God aspect of the comment I'm not knocking anyone for their beliefs you missed the point of the comment( i am knocking sociopaths)what I'm saying is most people are good but we allow ourselves to be lead by people who are not because we are too forgiving too optimistic and too nice and we want to believe other people are too. It is difficult for a person with a kind nature to imagine someone without conscience. There are a lot of websites now where you can watch self confessed sociopaths discuss their own nature. They think of nice people as easy targets...and hardly anyone ever suspects that they have absolutely no empathy not because they have to do a lot to hide it but because we are so eager not to see it. Especially in the work place having the ability to hide emotions is a bonus and since sociopaths don't have any feelings they easily rise to the top and often they are the ceo's who literally don't care about other human beings welfare ...who better to run a mindless corporation or to bribe politicians to disregard human life. Not all people are sociopaths of course, they just find creative ways to justify disregarding human beings in favor of money or self advancement. There is also a new " me and my own" culture taking over in line with all the survival of the fittest propaganda. As though it is ok to do anything to others as long as it was for your family betterment or advancement. It is selfishness disguised as selflessness and a willingness to lower oneself in order to promote their own as if the sacrifice was done in valiance. This type of propaganda and belief is still evil and dangerous to society.
In case anyone was wondering.
Mammon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon
Mammon in the New Testament of the Bible, is material wealth or greed, most often personified as a deity, and sometimes included in the seven princes of Hell. 1909 ...
Often for sociopaths it isn't even about money it is all ego proving what easy targets the rest of us are...they often engage in risky behavior and even risk money to do it. Wealth is just another way for them to prove they are " better" because the going propaganda tells society we aren't failures as long as we have money...as though its a marker of success. It's the definition of success that needs to change...the illusion that wealth = success or achievement is feeding the direction most sociopaths are taking. If society valued kindness...sociopaths would probably try to work their way to the top of that pyramid. They want to be envied and idolized. They think money is the key to that. If the rest of us see through the propaganda and shift it as well as be wary of who we follow...we may be able to combat what has happened to our society.
Another factor involved about belief in God.
How does a christian believe in the Bible - and - therefore God - if - they disregard the end of the story = Jesus & Forgiveness & Redemption & Turn the Other Cheek & Peace & Love etc
So - you didn't like the comment? Fine - screw up your courage and tell me why.
Don't like me? Fine - screw up your courage and just say so.
Passive aggressive sucks.
Our entire society is one giant experiment. We are all unwilling participants of the Great Experiment. The Ruling Class have known for millennia that humans can be controlled through fear, greed, power, loyalty, etc. Just as the Dog Whisperer knows how to train dogs, those who engineer our society know how to train humans.
We have all been subject to a mass indoctrination campaign. A barrage of conditioning through education, media, entertainment, advertisement, politics, community, etc.
We could all use a lot of deprogramming.
Animals that never know what to expect next are the easiest to manipulate.Also,animals that are tortured by completely random punishments and rewards form the strongest bonds of loyalty to those who are torturing them.Part of it is Learned Helplessness.Americans exhibit clear signs of that exact condition.Who do Americans Love and Admire? Well-heeled,Rich and Wealthy people-who Exploit,Abuse and Despise them in return.Americans,who generally don't have a container in which they could urinate,nor a window to defenestrate said urine,will become berserk with rage at the mere suggestion that taxes on Well-Heeled,Rich or Wealthy individuals(or corporations)ought to be Raised.They focus their rage also on "The Free Stuff Army," which would cease to exist almost entirely if an Economic System that provides employment for 100% of Americans who are able to work was in place.Capitalism is not now-nor could it ever be an Economic System that promotes full employment.The more people in the Free Stuff Army,the better Capitalists like it.