Forum Post: Jobs Bill fillibustered!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 11:30 p.m. EST by HitGirl
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Despite a campaign-style push this week by President Barack Obama, the Senate on Thursday scuttled pared-back jobs legislation aimed at helping state and local governments avoid layoffs of teachers and firefighters.
Yet another reason to vote No Confidence on all of 'em. Bastards.
Looks like I started a troll-a-thon.
I thought the word was "trollfest".. :)
Well, I know how to get attention on this board.
I spent a few moments hunting for that...
Because they patently disagree they are trolls?
It's a news item. What is there to disagree with. You don't think the bill provided money to keep teachers and firefighters working? It's obvious anti-Obama trolling. Anybody can look up the facts about the bill.
Listen I'm not too keen on what the bill says. What I do know is that how every many billions is being proposed to be spent is going to have to be borrowed or printed and if the bill is a complete success at saving jobs it still is just at the expense of another problem down the road via more inflation (which is a killer to the poor and middle class) or via a larger national debt which is burdening our kids in the future. One way or the other there are bad things to come of it and it's probably just a better idea to let things ride at this point and see what happens. People are hardy and if given the opportunity will create good things out of bad. Look at how this OWS movement started.
How many firefighters and teachers really are on the verge of being laid off?
When I looked at the American Federation of Teachers site a while back while looking for something else, I noticed that out of some +70,000 members they listed only like 114 as in laid-off/not working status. My kid is a teacher. She got a job in FL no problem. Moved to TX and got another job no problem.
Likewise firefighters. I can't believe that there really are that many who are seriously threatened with layoffs. Something like 70% of them are volunteers to begin with. If local government is laying off firefighters ahead of anyone else, then they probably should reassess their priorities.
Seems more to me that the "teachers and firefighters" thing likely was just picking two jobs that they thought that they could leverage for political purposes in the same way as titling the bill the "Jobs Act." I mean anybody who opposes teachers and firefighters and a "Jobs Act" clearly is evil. ; )
You have all the credibility of those Sunday morning radio testimonials. The time and energy you're putting into this...It's clearly a smear-out-of-fear job. You can't let the truth be know because it hurts your side politically.
LOL. Uh, yeah... Sorry, I have no side other than being real about things. I'm about as independent as they come.
My kid graduated year before last from UCF. She worked for a year there near Orlando. She got married last year and moved outside of Dallas and now is working in the public school system there. If you don't believe me, oh well...
You or anyone else can go look at the AFT site and check the BLS stats for both positions for yourself if you don't like my "testimonial." But then that would require that you're actually interested in learning the facts versus what you want to believe.
That's no jobs bill. That's a "funnel money to the unions through the guise of creating jobs". He already spent a Trillion to "fix" infrastructure and what happened? NOTHING. Jobs are created when there is a demand for a companies product. The jobs that Obama is trying to "create" are Government jobs. GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM!
GOOD! Government is already a special interest!
What a surprise that is! Lets have a Tea Party :-(
Obama's job bill was kind of brilliant. It offered real (though certainly not the best) stimulus for jobs in the guise of something that Republicans always seem to support (tax cuts) but, since they're more against Obama than they are in favor of helping us, they prevented the bill from passing despite the fact that a majority of the senate were going to vote for it. They just used their super majority (the filibuster) to prevent it from even coming up for debate.
Two democrats would have voted against it but the remainder would have voted for it.
Of course Obama still doesn't really understand economics so he doesn't realize that it wouldn't have been nearly as stimulative as he thinks it would be, but it would have helped a little. (As long as it didn't push the debt over the edge where it starts causing runaway inflation). It's just sad that they didn't even get a chance to vote on it.
Nice to get a non-troll responding. This board is really under siege.
Yes, it REALLY is! sigh