Forum Post: Jesus would approve of #OWS
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 11, 2011, 6:41 p.m. EST by jalauretta
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Jesus was a magnificent rebel whose ideas changed the course of world history
He challenged and confronted the money handlers (bankers) Matt 21:12
He accused the ruling class of his times of hypocrisy and corruption Matt 23:23
He rebuked the rich man to renouce the pursuit of wealth and give freely to the needy Mark 10:17-31
Sound familiar? Go Occupiers We the people have the power!
The point here is justice. Bringing the guilty to justice is a good goal. Hurting innocent people in the process is NOT just.
Why is physical warfare repulsive if it brings "the bad guys" to justice? Because of the number of innocent others who are not to blame who are harmed in the process of war.
There are thousands of innocent people who work for the companies you are trying to bring down. If your efforts to bring "the bad guys to justice" harms innocent others in the process, are you not guilty of the same sin just to a different degree?
If you do not do all you can to NOT harm the innocent involved, and/or engage in your battle as atki4564 suggests below-in the same manner that they do ("by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves") you cannot call your cause truly just.
I keep Jesus' head in a jar in my basement.
Jesus never existed. He was a fiction created to control the minds of the weak. nearly 2000 years later, it's still working.
L O L
"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24
Yes, but nowhere in that book did he require that tax dollars be paid to support PEOPLE WHO WON'T GET A JOB.
Touchy... I didn't write the Bible, take it up with Jesus. Sounds to me he was fairly liberal, though.
Jesus didn't write the Bible. It was written by other people trying to cash in on his fame. Every noble person has this problem.
Actually, it was someone named Jesus who stole my car
I wonder where the whole "render unto ceasar what is ceasar's and unto God that which is God's" fits in to this.
Jesus is a rebel still, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
if you want to support a Presidential Candidate at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.
He was a nice Jewish boy, you know the story, but being a nice jewish boy, such as I, I would never pay a bank a fee, I'd make them pay me a fee.
Only a schmuck would pay a fee to a bank for holding their money.
Jesus was a fraud who scammed the world and after 2,000 years the world is no better for his Christian Religion, in fact the Christians are the majority who got us into this mess and now they want to destroy and take over the government that was working until they started to destroy it.
if the j-man even existed, all the bullshit that happened in his name is a copyright violation...misuse by the church/council of nicea made possible by that bastard constantine...
Change your ways, you're not going to heaven talking like that. God is very selective.
bull shit
lol!! riiight
With respect, I think you are confusing Jesus with "Christianity", which has in fact mostly betrayed Jesus for the last 2000 years. I completely understand - and share - your anger at Christianity and at many Bible-thumping Christian hypocrites who seem to be the very antithesis of "Christic", that is, Christ-like.
Jesus's OWN MESSAGE, however, remains unstained by that unholy mess... According to Albert Camus - an atheist! - Jesus was "the best among us".
And Albert Einstein said: "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene.... No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life. Jesus is too colossal for the pen of phrase-mongers, however artful."
(From "What Life Means to Einstein," The Saturday Evening Post, October 26, 1929)
Jesus is God, Jesus is not a rebel. Jesus is nothing like what this movement is about.
Jesus would have told a judge, any judge, every judge, that they must never show bias in judgement towards a poor person over a rich person.
Jesus would never have supported gay marriage, or gay this, or gay that, or gay anything.
Jesus would never have supported a political party whose main thrust for the past 50 years has been the abortion plank. Abortion, seriously?
I obviously don't know what he would say to you. I really don't.
Jesus threw the money changers out of "His Father's house". He did nothing to the money changers elsewhere.
He accused the ruling class of the JEWS with hypocrisy and corruption. He never said a word about the corruption of Rome.
He told the rich young man who had obeyed every other commandment and teaching of the Old Testament that the only thing that remained for him to obtain heaven was to sell all that he had-and give the proceeds to the poor....AND one other thing-to "come follow me". Most people leave off that last one.
Funny how much one has to ADD to or "spin" the word of God in order to make it appear as if God's word is in line with THEM-rather than subtracting everything from their lives that keeps them out of line with God's words.
Does your second paragraph imply that Jesus was ANTISEMITIC as Paul turned out to be??? Jesus accused the "RULING GLASS", YES INDEED. They happened to be Jewish because Jesus was born in Israel, capish?
If Jesus had been born in 21st-century America, he would have attacked the U.S. ruling class and those American Christians who happen to be hypocrites... And he would most likely, in my view, have joined the non-violent, Christic (=Christ-like) OWS protests.
Are you aware that Lech Walesa - who was very close to Pope John Paul II - has just given his officially support to OWS? This is a major development, as many consider Walesa to be one of the greatest Christic activists of the last century, on a par with Bishop Desmond Tutu.
Jesus was born in Israel-but the Roman Empire was ruling Judea at the time. The Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus Christ rebuked often, and in particular for hypocrisy and corruption were Jewish religious leaders who were still ruled over by the Romans. (And it's capisce)
Jesus, were he born in 21st Century America would be rebuking the Christians, and all who profess to be followers of God. Different time and place, same problem. Jesus had a purpose far beyond politics and man-made systems of government.
Lech Walesa? Cool. And the rest of the people who were "very close to Pope John Paul II?
Here's a quote from Pope John Paul II-
"Christian faith has never presumed to impose a rigid framework on social and political questions, conscious that the historical dimension requires men and women to live in imperfect situations, which are also susceptible to rapid change. For this reason, Christians must reject political positions and activities inspired by a utopian perspective which, turning the tradition of Biblical faith into a kind of prophetic vision without God, makes ill use of religion by directing consciences towards a hope which is merely earthly and which empties or reinterprets the Christian striving towards eternal life."
"Capisce" and "capish" are BOTH in the dictionary, OK?
And the same applies to the rest of your rigid thinking... You are quite the dogmatist, aren't you???
And methinks you are projecting your own, subconscious antisemitism onto Jesus. After all, in the sentence "He accused the ruling class of the JEWS with hypocrisy and corruption", YOU, my friend, chose to capitalize the word "JEWS"...
I capitalized the word JEWS for emphasis. Your willingness to accuse me of being an anti-semite without any evidence to support that makes you extremely non Christic. (I'm married to a Jew)
The use of words like "rigid" and "dogmatic" and "projecting" and the use of rhetorical devices indicate that you have been well indoctrinated in swaying people to your point of view without using any facts.
Wasn't Jesus Christ the ultimate dogmatist? Are you not trying to use His dogma against me?
For emphasis on WHAT exactly? Please explain yourself. Stick to the facts: I did speak of "subconscious antisemitism". And since when does being married to a Jew shield anyone from being antisemitic? Millions of men are married to women but are nonetheless profoundly misogynistic...
As for your claim that Jesus was "the ultimate dogmatist", that really takes the cake. You are completely confusing Jesus with the Christian Churches that lay dubious claims on Him. THEY are the dogmatists. Jesus was the embodiment of antidogmatism. He systematically turned accepted doctrines on their head., as when he famously said :" You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth..." and then goes on to teach love of our enemies. And his most epic quarrels were with pathologically rigid PRIESTS!
My emphasis was on the fact that there were two ruling classes at the time of Christ. One was Roman. One was Jewish. The one He is "accusing of hypocrisy and corruption" Matt 23:23 are Jewish leaders, not Roman ones. So stop bearing false witness.
I'm talking about the Jesus of the Bible. Right after He says "An eye for an eye...." He says "do not resist an evil person, if he slaps you, turn the other cheek, if someone sues you for your shirt, give him your coat too!"
The Greek word for "resist" means to stand against, to oppose, to set in opposition to. Are you not here on Wall Street resisting evil? Even though Jesus said not to do that?
Jesus NEVER sought out an argument. In every instance in the Bible where He disagrees with the "rigid priests" -they seek HIM out, not the other way around.
You write: "Jesus NEVER sought out an argument. In every instance in the Bible where He disagrees with the "rigid priests" - they seek HIM out, not the other way around."
Did I ever say the contrary??? I wrote: "His most epic quarrels were with pathologically rigid PRIESTS!" BE true to your username and stick to THE FACTS, please!
I strenuously objected to your calling Jesus "the ultimated dogmatist"... but you never addressed that crucial point. Not a word, NADA.
And finally, FYI, Jesus NEVER taught in Greek, always in the language of the people, ARAMAIC. Your interpretation of "Do not resist evil" is based on poor translation into Greek. (see Eric Edelmann, "Jesus parlait arameen, p. 447).
Good night, brother. Guess we'll just have to put our egos to bed and agree to disagree. :)
Jesus has been dead for a long time, move on.......
So have the Buddha, Rumi, Gandhi, Martin Luther King...
And yet they LIVE!
Perhaps that is why we zombies keep coming back to them: to learn the secret of LIFE???
Move on if you like, I'm perfectly happy to sit like a child at the feet of my beloved Teachers!