Forum Post: ITT: How you would amend the Constitution
Posted 12 years ago on Aug. 10, 2012, 5:47 p.m. EST by NoGoodTreason
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I've got my own ideas but I'd love to hear yours. Post What amendment(s) you would make the the US Constitution.
speculation is not needed
80% of Americans already support:
end corporate personhood & citizens united
50+ videos from
Chomsky, Lessig, Maher, Romney, Witchcraft, Sanders etc
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com
I actually disagree with ending corporate personhood right now. hear me out before you start calling me a cia plant Read my brief titled Killcorp on my website www.NoGoodTreason.net . Life imprisonment on a corporate personage might be as simple as the an injunction from a state judge. Or a warrant issued from a judge for the "arrest" of a corporate personage to be executed by the Secretary of State (who issues the corporate charter). The rammifications of just one such action are dizzying. I've even named names and collected evidence for the first case.
You're allowed to support corp personhood. I disagree. I believe it is at the center of the govt corruption problem. But you and the republicans are in agreement on this. Are you a republican?
If I was I'd be the problem right repubsRtheprob? I suppose that makes you a democrat. I don't think you read the brief.
I am a registered independent who believes during election time we must keep the 1% elite republicans out of office until we get our new form of govt created.
Add the word "natural" before the word "person" in the 14th Amendment. Swing it to end corporate personhood.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/corporate-personhood-and-14th-amendment-rights
I like it. Simpler than my suggested amendments in another thread. Now how do we pass it over congress's head?
The people would need to stand up.
Okay. Every American "stands up." How does that put an amendment into the constitution? It doesn't. What might you suggest as a viable mechanism for change?
The people must realize that the enemy of Democracy are those who purchase it.
Democracy once sold becomes worthless. It can only be restored when respect for each mans opinion is considered just as important as any other man's.
When the people understand that simple fact, they will stand up and take back what was stolen from them. The struggle is not to change laws, but to change men's minds.
too vague really. There are no concrete steps here in this solution. We need a game plan.
If the people do not understand something so basic, that buying Congress is theft, and results in their loss of freedom of choice, there is no game plan that can win that battle.
We have to find a way to repopulate the government with rational non-partisan officials at a local level, change public perception of independent politicians, and spread them like a virus into Capitol Hill. VOILA! In 20 years, we'll have an actual rare positive change to the Constitution.
Or we could just march on Washington.
Too long term. What can we do in the short run besides wave fists and march around.
There are too many good sources of information as to solutions to the nation's problems, written by good, rational, intelligent men like Thom Hartmann, for there to REALLY be an excuse for legislators to not see, not listen, not figure a way out of this turmoil.
If a million people march on Capitol Hill, it would be ugly, but it might force some hands.
Ugly you say? In the Tienamen square sort of way? I doubt it. It takes a lot of work to organize a million man march. At some point some idiot would surely request a permit from the municipal government and the marchers will find themselves on a cordoned off "march route" that minimally disrupts Sunday afternoon traffic and gets seen by as few people as possible while its attendance figures are understated in what little mainstream media coverage it may or may not get.
Right, and I'm sure any toes that would dare to stray from that route would be cut off. Literally. In the name of "homeland security". I'm fairly sure that a protest of that sort would be deemed domestic terrorism, and the surely resulting atrocities would be ugly, to put it mildly. That's the reality of the government's relationship to the people, and, to a great extent, would be the fundamental reason for the protest. I absolutely hate to say it, but I can't see anything short of a public resistance like that as having any impact whatsoever. There'd almost assuredly be casualties (nothing "casual" about it), but it would almost assuredly be a war.
I'm interested to know what anonymous plans to do with marbles at the DNC. http://clclt.com/theclog/archives/2012/08/14/anonymous-sends-a-message-to-the-dnc
Support campaigns like Move to Amend. Support issues like one subject at a time legislation.
Elections only happen every now and then - issues however are acted upon ( or not ) daily.
I'd recommend adding privacy provisions as well to the constitution.
Something along the lines of this: Martin S Olivier, "Personal Privacy and Lyotard's Inhuman," unpublished essay, 2002 Abstract
This essay argues that the threat of the inhuman posed by computing is not in artificial intelligence, as Lyotard sees it. However, knowledge of the personal affairs of another is the basis of intimacy; such intimacy is part of what is properly human. Increased data collection, storage and processing capabilties, however, causes machines to have intimate knowledge about one's affairs that are not even known by one's closest friends. Hence, we argue, Lyotard's fear of the inhuman is more likely to be realised in this manner unless suitable steps are taken to protect personal privacy in this environment, Lyotard's fears might well be realised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Lyotard
Not HOW but what is amended.
How is through Article V because congress will not do it in our interest.
What is best dealt with by focusing on returning the nation to a constitutional state. I mean the people, THEN they reform the government and restore constitutional government.
There is one process that is logical. Promote Article V with the concept of "Preparatory Amendment",
1) End the abridging of free speech 2) Campaign finance reform 3) Secure the vote and reform elections
because it puts a convention in control of the people and makes any fear illogical.
http://algoxy.com/ows/preparation_for_article_v.pdf
And if the the American people are too confused, maybe the soldiers can figure out how to conduct a lawful, peaceful revolution that begins with an Article V convention.
http://algoxy.com/ows/soldiers_inquiry_draft-2_14.pdf
I don't really understand your pdf's. Can you sum them up for me?
Preparation for Article V is the 1),2),3) above and the soldiers inquiry is a fully legal and constitutional method to defend the constitution, constitutionally. Preparation makes the nation constitutional enough to asure ALL amendments have constitutional intent as determined or approved by the people.
Only a Constitutional civil government can create a lawful military authority. If the citizen shows the soldier that the civil government is unconstitutional and usurping the constitution, to defend it peacefully and lawfully the soldier can only turn to the military justice system while the citizens flank in the civil justice system. Since the chain of command in the military justice system has taken the same oath as the soldier, IF they cannot disprove the evidence the citizen has provided to the soldier showing unconstitutional civil government THEN the military justice system must allow and empower the soldier to inquire upwards in the military command in order to follow their oath. A lawful military authority following their oath will empower and join in and continue past the joint chiefs of staff into civilian government to determine if there is anyway the civil government can show it actually is constitutional. If they cannot the military compels an Article V convention to empower the citizens to defend the constitution by amending it as the operating parameter for the federal civil government and compensate/correct any weakness or error that led to the usurpation's and unconstitutionality.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/
The constitution does not allow corporations to be persons in the first place, it's a mirage of corporate incentives in washington, that have made it so. The supreme court isn't even supposed to rule national legislation constitutional or not, that's the states' job.
Read the constitution! and the bill of rights, (but understand the context - read the federalist papers too).
Remove the 16th amendment (income tax) it's immoral, forced taxes are violence
Remove the portion of the 5th amendment that allows for "imminent domain"
Amend the 20th amendment to impose term limits on ALL elected offices! Remove incentives for career politicians!
Done! Perfect!
One other thing I forgot to add. For any business that fails, the board of directors and CEOs are personally responsible (all of their assets - down to their toothbrush and razor) as part of the bankruptcy to make the stockholders whole.
By making senior managers personally responsible, they are negatively incentivized to run a responsible company (Code of Hammurabi - ancient laws)
And if the board of directors and the CEOs ARE the major shareholders?
Why should they come before the workers and their pensions anyway??
Bill Black a former CFTC director, has discussed this at length, how fraud has gotten worse, that there's NOBODY prosecuting white collar crime, and the crime has increased, at the same time as the incentives for crime have increased exponentially.
Answer: Eliminate the .gov incentives (bailouts) and introduce negative incentives (what you'd have in a natural market) i.e. you kill your shareholders / defraud people, you go to the axeman too.
Fraud?
Why they would have to toss a whole mess of (R)epelican'ts and teabagge(R)s in jail.
So I guess it would be of service to the US.
Corruption is blind of party, John Corzine who may have exceeded Madoff in his theft, is still fundraising for the president, walking the street, free. They're all corrupt.
Based on your comments, I'd peg you as an amazingly stupid political drone, a devoted party member, or more likely an intelligence disinformation agent. FBI or CIA? or something else?
This ain't really true either.
Besides, when the fraud comes with a very nasty dose of racism, there's just no comparison at all.
None whatsoever.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ex-chairmn-exposes-florida-gops-voter-suppression-/
You should do some more research., cause that's just the tip if the iceberg of (R)epelican't fraud.
You SOOO are FBI or CIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!! Caught you joker!
Actually it was a bunch of racist GOP shitheads that got called out.
Every one of them should be in prison for this shit.
They usually aren't, but if they are, then they're just defrauding themselves, won't happen.
It's the code of Hammurabi - If a builder builds a house, and the house collapses on the resident, the builder should be put to death.
The problem you have now is that the CEOs, boards and politicians all benefit from the same principle - timescale skew. A CEO can run the company into the ground while making the numbers look "good", but bail out before the crash, with their money. Politicians are notorious for buying a hamburger today promising to pay you tomorrow (after they're gone)... Hence THIS.
This is the Swiss model, based on ancient proven ideas, and it works.
Actually, in many cases they are, all the more money for them, don't you know.....
Then there's those wonderful darling of libe(Rtarainism....The fabulous Koch Brothers.
Yes,. they are the majority holders in their corporation.
They lie, cheat ,steal and pollute, every single day.
Here's a simple way to look at it.
If you are making enough money to buy my government, you are making way too much money.
It's simple, accurate, nonpartisan and apolitical.
Really, what agency are you? Are you in Quantico or Langley... Ft. Meade... Georgia... NSA? come on!! tell me, this is exciting!! It's not every day I catch a intel agent.
Are you a normal agent? or do you work in the back office? Do you get a badge and a gun?
I'm a NSACIANASAFBIKGBPSYOPPRO, bot.
It's what happens to you once you have over 1,000 karma.
Of course, what I said is still true.
Well of course you have over 1,000 points (karma, :-) I mean , come on, being a disinfo agent is negative karma, you'll probably be a sewer rat in your next life, honestly).
Anyway, your agency has probably been building this character for MONTHS!
So what you are implying is that your agency is way behind?
The thing I have to wonder is, what do you think my "agency" is trying to accomplish by stating the truth about libe(R)tarians?
It's a surprisingly excellent fit, when measured up against the duopoly BS I've been seeing around here.
A much better fit indeed..................:)
I agree with all of the above... but I think I'd also eliminate the electoral college and change the Vice Presidency to it's original "runner-up" position.
good idea. and add privacy provisions as well under the 4th amendment.
You know the Germans complain that one party sounds just like the other, it's always the same message, just packaged differently. I have considered that a runner up Vice President might somehow reduce the constructs of impasse designed to create the party division, that perhaps we could return to the pre- Jefferson era of single American party. Still factions would exist so it's probably not likely.