Forum Post: It's time to clarify the objective...
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 4:23 p.m. EST by mariel4220
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Who else thinks it's time to definitively state what this protest stands for? If Occupy Wall St continues to remain unorganized, the movement will only be spinning wheels and will not go anywhere. I think it's time to pick a top priority for the present... I hope by committing to a well-defined issue, future progress on the many other issues will be more likely.
The most powerful and pragmatic outcome of such a movement would be to ELIMINATE CORPORATE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. This should be #1 before anything else. Many of the other goals will gain tread if we can do this one thing. Politicians then are much more accountable to people to be elected.
Neither party, democrat or republican, is willing to "bell the cat" while their campaign pockets are so deeply filled with corporation dollars.
While there may be many other honorable objectives and goals, we need to find that one or two that provides the most LEVERAGE and OPPORTUNITY to gain the most tread.
Leadership will be critical to run an effective campaign. Lobbying for endorsements is important as well.
Separation of state and corporate Business like church and state! Need to amend the constitution.
A cornerstone of the Occupy Wall Street Movement objective should be to identify the systemic causes of the economic melt down, demand accountability, and demand correction of those problems. Secondly, prosecution of illegal abuses should be pursued.
A cornerstone of the Occupy Wall Street Movement objective should be to identify the systemic causes of the economic melt down, demand accountability, and demand correction of those problems. Secondly, prosecution of illegal abuses should be pursued.
A cornerstone of the Occupy Wall Street Movement objective should be to identify the systemic causes of the economic melt down, demand accountability, and demand correction of those problems. Secondly, prosecution of illegal abuses should be pursued.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&pli=1&formkey=dFlNNHJTRlZwMWs5ZjlhTWN0NlZReHc6MQ#gid=0 wana help collect that data? you can ask all day but people aren't going to rally around a thread on a forum. but... if i can get help passing this poll around, we will have some data to present.
Great idea! I went ahead and filled it out myself...
thx for participating!
I have been slowly trying to determine what the exact reason for this movement is and unfortunately nothing has really came to mind other than people who do not want to go out and earn a living and growing prosperous by actually working hard for what they have.
We could blame our current economic situation on the Oil Speculators whom drove up the prices of crude oil to a point that the average american has to choose between paying an energy bill or food on the table for his/her family. I am a member of a fellow union worker and yes I do see flaws in our system, but it is just flaws as with every system. If we would actually get out their and work instead of complaining then we as a group would fix our problems.
Instead, every one just wants to complain because Mr. Joe has more money and more things than you! Well, here is my solution, ask Mr. Joe just how long it took him to accumulate is wealth? How much did he have to spend on an education? How hard did he have to work to move up a corporate ladder to a better paying job?
This is America! This is Capitalism! and that simply means that through hard work, determination, and most of all Self Motivation! You can also become that Mr. Joe sitting on the hill with millions in a bank! That is who I want to become, but I want to have the enjoyment of knowing that I--(ME, MYSELF) earned it! I do not want it given to me because I think it should!
These protesters should really read up on their history--specifically in detail about Communism and Socialism, it does not work as already proven by the last century! Cuba, Soviet Union, East Germany, China, North Korea,.....etc.
We are America! We are a Capitalism economic system that does work and works extremely well!
Simple. Bring back democracy by the people, for the people. How? Get corporate money and influence OUT of politics. There are many specific demands, but doing this will eventually take care of the rest through a government that answers only to the people, not to corporations and their influence through campaign funding, etc.
I am on board with this objective. As a start, how about banning corporate donations to political campaigns?
http://www.getmoneyout.com/
That's a petition to propose an amendment to ban corporate donations in federal elections. I don't know much about it as I just discovered it myself.
Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.
DEAR INDIVIDUAL READING THIS, What must we as people do to fight this grave injustice inflicted upon us, by the ones who lust for power? How can we end the reign of the wicked and immoral and mete JUSTICE upon the oppressors as we have suffered from their hands-their blood stained hands... An idea of REVOLUTION-no, the act of revolution enacted by the proletarians! Must we as individuals ,as is always done, remain pawns to these people, these monoliths that we alone as individuals cannot surmounted...I surmise that we are not ignorant to the woes inflicted upon us by their enormities? We must UNIFY! Unity will be the way in which we assert ourselves!...While I realize all are not are not without income or funds and many cannot unify with this growing movement do to reasons of possible opposition and they being the people I'm question who we oppose (Wall Street), and many have responsibility they must tend to that take precedence. We must rise and vanquish this behemothto restore the equilibrium, for when disturbed it causes much chaos and strife in the hearts of man( man being neutral to represent all genders) in his mind and when mans mind and soul are in chaos as many are they rise to vanquish the pestiferous wealthy. However we should not just target these individuals, each of us individually must confront the corruption in our hearts, how can we judge the corrupt and deem them so when we cannot be amenable for ourselves we will surely be deemed hypocrites as we will be.....I am not meaning to say that this protest is in any way unjust, for far too long have we suffered, I mean that we are expected to expiate our sins -assume our parts in the problems we face and how we may have caused it. Yes, the Bankers on Wall Street are corrupt in ways we don't have evidence of without an investigation. But as we suffer soshall they, for we will make it so. But what of our government I say, my fellow citizens do not neglect to Confront the complicit in this affair for the roots of corruption are deeply seated, we have silent enemies amongst us-be warned that although succession in our goals will happen we may face a greater threat to our rights granted unto us from birth be prudent and circumspect. Another issue I wish to address is the idea of mans continual corruption as all things will be permeated with this darkness Inside our hearts.......when a system is created it always deviates from the righteous path, for nations we have learnt of in our education are littered with tales of nations that became corrupt and faded Into the ruin of collapse, we know that a society without corruption is utterly inconceivable, impossible in ways each and everyone of us know...for as long as men exist so shall our inner evil....but I digress from my original Intent of this passage and I ask forgiveness as we must forgive all in all eventual....the rising potentiality of this movement is quite an astonishment, I thought we were not capable of such things and thus I admit I had less faith in my fellow man. I see that we have all come to the realization of the need to bring the greedy to justice, although the reasons for your protesting may be unique to you, you share many goal, I had prognostications, inklings seems more appropriate of a term, that one day man would wake to realize the greater truth outside of his/her reality, and break the cycles of obsession with superficial base needs and trite motives, a dull and predictable lot we were but we've surpassed that I hope....for if not we will founder and fall Into the patterns we had grown so accustomed to, living such prosaic pedestrian lives stultified by the elite and of our own ignorance we always have the means to educate ourselves in this age, we have no limits to what we may learn based on our status in society, the powerful can no longer succeed in keeping us stupefied we have freewill to reason and learn and form our own ideas, ideas that would otherwise have died by the hands of the bigots! Our endeavours shall be crowned with fruition of our goals for our will allows it, we have broken free from the will of the oppressors......as Desmond Tutu stated "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." YOURS TRULY-Aaron Thomas Bridge
Exactly. Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. In this, sequence is key.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your current Occupation & Generation.