Forum Post: It only seems leaderless...but there are leaders...
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 18, 2011, 5:17 a.m. EST by hotrod02
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Many people believe this just sprung up and is leaderless, but look at the website registeration information for the www.occupywallstreet.org website:
http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=occupywallstreet.org&prog_id=GoDaddy
This site was registered by adbusters in June of this year. Everything you see has been planned out well in advance. This website is being controlled by an individual or small group of people in Canada somewhere. All that person or group has to do is publish an event on this website to control the Occupy group. I dont believe they have direct control over the entire Occupy group, but probably in communication with the so called "facilitators" and can pull the strings...
So? Groups of people need leaders to become and stay organized. As long as they are not corrupt, what is the problem?
The point of my post is that this Occupy thing was planned several months ahead of time. All these websites and blogs you see were registered well before September 17th. The www.nycga.net was registered in August.
So everything you see, to include N17, probably has been planned well ahead of time. There are some events these folks cant control, such as the anarchists in Oakland, but for the most part there is someone or some group out there which is pulling the strings of this. There are probably events in the future which are planned ahead of time.
I would look at the adbusters website to look for direction. They wont tell you everything that is about to happen, but they will drop hints.
So if you think all this was spontaneous, it wasnt, it is planned and there leaders...hidden leaders.
They are leaders doing something good. So, it doesn't bother me. I am not an anarchist.
What exactly are they doing that is good? What does all this mean to you?
Not one leader. What is needed are many leaders, from every state and territory in the nation.
The movement is socio-political, without the corruption or influence of the 1 %.
The way to beat the incumbents is to play the game the way it is currently played.
No need for a billion dollars in corrupt cash to be elected. Use the web for free advertising. Money will be used, of course, so advertise where that money came from, and what the money is being used for.
Do you really need suits and limos and a hundred hangers-on to win an election?
What is the point of protesting? We all know the current system is corrupt to the core.
Start by getting your own representatives voted in, which means the corrupt incumbents get voted out.
I agree that many leaders are important. I actually think that the way our government was set up is perfect.. we have just failed to keep control of it the way that the founding fathers intended us to.
Yes. The way it was set up, was heads of industry and commerce meeting regularly to network ways of ensuring their electorates got a fair deal all round. No pay involved, and everyone knew who had vested interests in what and when.
Transparency all round. That is the key to preventing nepotism, corruption, and insider trading.
Transparency is what the current "leaders" are afraid of, because the system has become so secretive, and so deeply corrupt, if everyone knew what was really happening, there might be total revolution.
And nobody really wants that, at this stage. The country can be saved without resorting to mega-violent political coups and bloodshed.
At least I hope it can. Get some candidates up and running. March is the deadline for that, I think??
This movement will not be helpful in the way you believe. People are either Republican or Democrat and then there is a group of people somewhere in the middle or independent. Most people believe Obama is more liberal then themselves. This movement is obviously way more liberal then Obama.
My belief is these independents will probably throw their support behind someone like Cain or Romney and this movement will assist with that by turning off the independents.
There is no difference, ideologically, between dems and repubs.
It's a diversionary tactic to keep people divided and arguing pointlessly.
This movement is recognising the diversionary tactics of the 1 %.
Just like same-sex marriage and abortion, these "debates" have been going on for decades. Pointless arguing divides and conquers people.
No more BS. The 1 % have nothing else to offer us but BS.
Time for some real candidates who represent real people and real issues.
Save the soundbytes for FAUX news.
Definitely there are leaders. And crafty ones too and who don't show their faces or show that they are moving the chess pieces.
I'm prolly the queen chesspiece lol
I dont want to dive into speculation or conspiracy theories, but I will tell you what I do know and is public information. There was a group of people who designed the things you see like the "General Assembly" and other such things well before the Occupy movement began. They picked the the Zucotti Park site and had it scoped out well before this began. There is someone or a small group that controls this website. There are "organizers" or "facilitators" in each of these Occupy groups who are not leaders, but do have more control then the regular group member.
Lets say the people in Canada who control this website want to start an event. They just need to post up an event and a poster then contact the "facilitators" in New York. I bet all the key "facilitators" are linked up by email.
I dont think anyone has direct control over anything, but just a few people can exert some control over things.
"don't follow leaders!!! walking parking meters"-Bob Dylan-"subterranean homesick blues"-1965
Taking initiative isn't the same as leading. Leading would mean having power over the decisions that are being made. And clearly the movement doesn't have any leader in that sense.
So i understand that it can be hard to understand. But, it really is a leaderless movement.
I dont think these people in Canada or any one person or group has absolute power or leadership, but I do believe they can sway things in a general direction. I do believe things are planned out ahead of time. For example, the website administrator here can simply throw up an event like on December 17th and call for a general strike.
These events you see are not made by the "General Assembly" but are the creations of a few people.
I imagine there are future plans...
One thing I do want to point out is the person who writes updates for the Occupy site is the same person who writes updates for the adbusters site. You tend to think that someone in the NYC Occupy is probably updating this site, but its actually someone in Canada. Read the passages and articles on the adbusters site and compare the English to the articles on this site. Its the same person.