Forum Post: It Is Time To Put An End To Capitalism! Save The Earth! -----The Venus Project-----
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 12:58 p.m. EST by thiagoaq
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"The Venus Project advocates an alternative vision for a sustainable new world civilization unlike any socio-economic system that has gone before. It calls for a straightforward redesign of a culture, in which the age-old inadequacies of war, poverty, hunger, debt, and unnecessary human suffering are viewed not only as avoidable, but totally unacceptable." For more information: thevenusproject.com Watch: Zeitgeist:Addendum and Zeitgeist Moving Forward
http://www.thevenusproject.com/
I was impressed.
We are less high tech but we're getting it done. This year! * www.republicofolancho.com
* https://www.facebook.com/pages/Republic-of-Olancho/149833091753264?sk=wall
* Olancho was founded by an alliance of rugged individualists who succeeded in ridding irrational and dangerous industrial society precepts to create a resilient nation based on equitable prosperity, small-scale production and an economy limited by the efficiencies of nature.
Olancho will become the first energy-independent constitutional republic that integrates liberty, self-reliance and free-enterprise with permaculture, agro-ecology, soil husbandry, food security and natural resource conservation.
Olancho is the idea that human prosperity and thriving ecosystems are achievable through the application of renewable energy and appropriate technologies, sustainable agricultural practices and good government.
Really nice!!!!
Jacque Fresco is the man but hes a good century into the future. His time will come but only when the world falls and we re do our ways. How do you want to provide resources for the world when we cant even have open communication with them? This shits got to go right.
A technological dictatorship?
No thanks.
Submit, submit, submit to the all powerful Fresco computer. He will do what is best for you.
Straight out of a dystopian novel.
We have already begun a prototype
. www.republicofolancho.com . . Olancho was founded by an alliance of rugged individualists who succeeded in ridding irrational and dangerous industrial society precepts to create a resilient nation based on equitable prosperity, small-scale production and an economy limited by the efficiencies of nature.
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Brilliant guy. Zeitgeist will happen eventually, the trouble is I believe mankind will have to pay a heavy bill in blood first.
Sadly.
Not believing in money is harder than getting people not to believe that there's an afterlife.... and you know we're still not making much progress on that.
abolish money! can't afford all that shark's fin, and we've got to have it before it runs out!
Capitalism isnt the problem. The problem is called Greed and Corruption
without money there will not be greed and corruption. Without money there will not be any crime. Well there will be alot less. Sadly people's morals go down the shitter when their paycheck is threatened. Without money involved we can be free to learn as we want to learn. Develop our minds and progress. Imigine not having to go to collage and be forced to study something you have to just because it pays well. Rather study something you truly want to which can benfit the world and it becomes your passion..
I wish more ppl would realize money is the problem and like jesus, upset the tables of the moneychangers. ABOLISH MONEY: http://666ismoney.com/MoneyQuotes.html
I was impressed by TVP's views, especially since I always believed there "could" be a way to live without debt. Problem, though, TVP wants to "level" (most) all townships and I disagree. I believe that we must recreate the new infrastructure to include all of the old houses and what not (afterall, who wants to give up there home and community!). They want to be TOO efficient and still do NOT have a viable clean energy solution capable of powering ten billion people at a (slightly reduced due to efficiency) western standard. To my knowledge, they do not advocate machines making trillions of 30% efficient GaAs (NASA stuff) solar fresnel arrays. Neither do they advocate the closed nuclear cycle such as LFTR or IFR (these would clean up the wastes from the stupid nuclear we rely on today and shut down passively in an emergency). My vision includes but is not limited to old fashioned monorails and centralist city themes bases on circles. Instead my vision includes personal electric cars that attach to cables (which could be our roadways within conventional townships) and to vertical rails which would eliminate traffic congestion. Eventually, the township would become displaced by huge buildings made out of carbon graphine that would house tens of thousands along with an equal amount of space dedicated to outside space on hundreds of levels. That's where the vertical rails are used. Smaller building complexes can be accessed by cable, eliminating the need to always having to go to ground level, just to get to another destination in anther building. Without money, machines can make virtually any VAST and advanced social structure become reality. Desalination, clean, unlimited energy and hydroponically grown foods all within the same "township" is possible. Obviously,those who like money, be it capitalist, socialist or communists will fight against this greatest of ideas. That of machine made abundance.
Billionaires LOVE space travel - and anyway, they're the only ones who can afford it, right? So why not ship the 1% to Venus... one way ticket. And then they will be free to destroy... ah... er, I mean "creatively inhabit" their NEW PLANET as they please.
That's MY Venus Project. :)
"With the elimination of debt, the fear of losing one's job will no longer be a threat." ( http://thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project/resource-based-economy )
Indeed, if you have no debts, you don't can't lose your jobs!
This will solve all of society's problems! Poor people need futuristic luxury condos and submarines!
First listen to what the guy is trying to say.
How does the Venus project's proposed "Resource-Based Economy" differ from communism?
There is an FAQ on the site that talks about how a resource based economy differs from communism. Here's a link: http://www.thevenusproject.com/en/the-venus-project/faq
Their answer doesn't make any sense because their description of communism is not accurate: "Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders.". Communism is actually a classless society, with no wealth. What he's describing is socialism.
He's describing how the known characteristics of past communist societies compared to the venus project. What's wrong with having a classless society without wealth? Seems to make the most sense to me.
Getting to that Utopia is the hard part.
It's not a utopia, it's just better than what we have now. I agree the transition will be problematic, but I don't see any other option. The key is to manage and control the transition, instead of society spiraling downward until the only option is to change the system,
Does it really matter? I understand your stuck in a dualistic view that if it isn't one idea then it's evil. It is time to open your mind, life isn't a duality. There are more than one choces and nothing is ever the polar opposite of each other. Which in your view just has to be evil...oooooooo dum dum dum
There IS a duality. This proposal doesn't work unless you take away everybody's property and declare it all "resources of the collective". You can't just do that part-way or the whole thing doesn't work. This proposal is to completely eliminate money and replace the economy with pure communism.
so everyone owns where they live without having to pay money so they can live their life the way they want to is communism? Developing houses to be self sufficent so no man or woman has their finger on a buttion is communism? Creating a society based on total freedom is communsim? You might want to learn what communism truly is because your verson is very different from the Venus Project.
Creating a whole society where nobody owns everything because everything is a resource of the collective is communism, yes.
no communism is resources controlled by a select few to benfit the select few. The venus project and a resource society is offering everything you need to all. What they are about and what you believe are starting to intermingle into your own reality. That is your right and I hope one day you break free from your dualistic view.
Change is inevitable, Growth is optional
-Budda
Sorry The Venus project is just another wrapper for communism. The pilgrims tried it when they first got to america and almost died in the winter because they were all looking for someone else to take care of them.
The Native Americans felt bad for the stupid pilgrims and shared their harvest with them. After that first winter they switched to a capitalist type system and thrived. If you don't get to keep the fruits of your own labor and a lazy person gets the same lifestyle as you for doing nothing, then you will demand the same for nothing.
some people will believe anything lol
Well ... how about we keep the fruits of our labor and don't give it to corporate America?
To do that, you need to not take a job offered by corporate America nor buy anything corporate america makes.
Its your choice to do so. I don't have any problems with the way corporate America makes it's money. I work a great middle class job for a corporation as do most working Americans
If I had my own unique idea that I could start my own company I would..
you don't have a problem with the fact that corporate america undercuts US labor and environmental laws by outsourcing manufacturing jobs to China? Why is it, that we forbid sweatshops in the US but allow the sale of products manufactured in sweatshops in the Phillipiens or Vietnam or China or Mexico?
Why do we need to police other country's labor practices? We ban products made in other countries, then they ban our products. Then we can't sell our goods on a global scale.
Its all about competing with your competitors. If Americans cared who and what conditions the products they consumed are made in, shouldn't it be their choice to not buy it?
Frankly Americans and the world in general don't care. Just offer a product or service I want at the best price.
We don't We police the products which are sold in the US! They are free to produce how ever they want, but they are not free to sell what ever they want in the USA! We regulate safety standards for good reasons ... so there is precedence to enforce labor standards on products!
And it is not about competition!
Wrong!
It is about enforcing labor laws in the US!
We do not allow thieves to steal in Canada and then sell their stolen goods in the USA legally ... so why the heck we allow US Corporations to sell stuff in ous supermarkets made in clear violation to US laws?
True, but like I said, most Americans don't care who made it or labor conditions it was made under. They care what the bottom line price it costs.
They have to care first. You can't force them to care.
Because they don't have a choice! It is taken from them by corporate America!
If you just lost your job to a sweatshop in China, you lost your freedom to actually care about labor conditions!