Forum Post: It all may be fake
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 10, 2011, 9:32 p.m. EST by RexDiamond
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There is indeed a widespread conspiracy in the Occupy movement. It is not only in the USA across cities from LA to Chicago to NYC. It is in Sydney, Cape Town, London.
It is obviously omnipresent, with omniscience to coordinate across the globe, and seemingly omnipotent. It is God's doing.
Activist Cash reporting on publicly available Chartiy donations from Tides to Adbusters
The Examiner, reporting the same connection
Reuters, reporting the same connection
Mods please ban MikeYD and MikEYD.
And consider banning RexDiamond for this ridiculous post...
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i hate to say it, but you just converted an adbusters hater into a huge George Soros's fan. before this thread, i had no idea who the man was, just kept hearing his name. thx for clearing that up.
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careful boy
He's a troll, his former user MikeyD was banned. Now he's back as "MikEYD".
Ignore him and the original poster of this thread...
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maybe if you were to add to a conversion instead of puking out stupidity.
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You do not speak like the Socrates I once knew.
The liberal's God. George Soros
We all know the parable of the prodigal son. God is love.He even loves the Koch's in OK.
You're really grasping at straws here.
This guy thinks the Gabriel Giffords shooting was fake, too, and that Jared Lee Loughner is an actor.
Most of these photos that he puts up next to protestors look signficantly different than the "actors" he is supposed to be outing.
And the police are "fake" too?
Sorry, this is way out tinfoil hat junk.
I don't think so. I think there is something to this. I am not one to fall for conspiracies. This is too spot on to ignore.
I stopped watching when the video took a shot of a black man, and then put up a picture of a completely different black man, and said they were the same.
Sheesh.
Yeah right. You are either fooled into following it, or part of the scam.
I watched the entire video and it was a waste of time.
The points for the protesting are valid, the concerns we have are valid.
A 30+ day posting on Youtube with comments blocked. Not anything I would put any trust in.
IF and that is a very large if, any of the persons that the video commentator names, are participating in any aspect of OWS, I do believe that it is their right to do so just as it is anyone else's right to participate or not to participate as that individual chooses.
I disagree. The points aren't valid and not even understood. You didn't watch the video or you totally didn't get it. Not participating, acting.
Oh, I got it. and it was still a waste of my time.
Ignorance is bliss.
Yeah but at least it's not denial.
Anyone can 'find the Indians' with a good imagination.
Me? I'll wait for the real Indians.
It is a fact that police use undercover officers to find out information on groups. It's called being an undercover police officer.
He making assertions with the caveat that he will post the links below, the links never come. Offers alternate photos of the people without divulging the source, again, he will show us in a second. That second for all facts presented never comes. It's bullshit.
He is right about how the police acted, opposed to real police. The camera having perfect sound. And, what about the police chalk marks. Just like a stage in a play.
The video is the most valid thing I have seen.
Yeah. Not sure who would get the idea to use chalk.
http://www.azfamily.com/video/yahoo-video/Demonstrators-voice-their-opinions-during-Chalk-the-Police-protest-130922783.html
It doesn't matter how it comes about,it is real know.
I agree. This isn't the first time someone's accused OWS of being run by Adbusters or Moveon or Obama.
If they did create it, it's beyond their control. OWS is about the FACTS, not about following a central power. This is a blessing and a curse :)
If you support something knowing it is a fake, I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah a multinational movement with literally millions world wide supporting this is "fake". rrrrriiiiiiiiight.........
It was started by actors. The rest are useful idiots. It's outrageous how people are so blinded. They refuse to accept.
lolol actors....riiiight.
The video pretty much proves it.
Also, anyone that says that "We are here to tell you the truth" is normally lying their asses off to me. Moveon.org showed up later to the party after ad busters started this with an internet campaign and the rest are activists and others. And as far as george soros goes,yeah he did donate to moveon.org......5 years ago. This is about as stupid as obamas birth certificate being fake.
lol yeah youtube has all the evidence. If thats the case, then youtube proves that the holocaust never happened,michael jackson,allyah,tupac and notorious b.i.g are on an island somewhere,ancient aliens gave us stuffing for thanksgiving and every president is a reptilian from outerspace. huuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Watch the video. It's hard to discredit. One of the actors was even wearing the same shirt.
It already discredits ittself by claiming it tells the truth and by disabling comments. Yeah bullshit vid is bullshit.
The comments are on the blog when you click the link. So quick you are to tear it down. What if your whole participation was a sham?
What if we are in the matrix and when I wake up my best friend is raping me in my ass?
and what if the crazy notions and ideas the OWS members have about America were actually realistic?
I know it is partly fake and know there are plants like in this video. Here I posted about some obvious plants: http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-are-being-co-opted-by-adbusters-and-supporters-/ There are going to be plants in any movement. I just don't care, cause people are learning facts.
Very brainwashed you are pal. You got punked and don't care. Just gonna roll with it.
lol. Insisting on something doesn't make it real. Your video doesn't prove anything that I didn't know. I'm already suspicious of this movement myself and already come to terms with it. You are the one making assumptions.
Yet you are ready to go to the mat for them?
I support learning about our corrupt government, fighting the concentration of power, taking money out of politics, and ending the fed. This forum is a way to come together and help people learn.
I don't blindly support anything, as I just said.
I don't think so. Watch the entire video. It pretty much proves it's all actors. Actors from Arizona. The question is "why?"
Even if that is true, we Arizonans are resourceful lot. because are freedoms are greater than other states, we take democracy seriously. so my question to you is; If what you post is true, what is the difference between their sensationalism and the media's? I'd say move on learned well from its media competitors. that is if I was to believe your post.
So why don't you get these actors to come out? They would make a lot of money to come forward and tell everyone its a fake. I know I know big bad liberal media is going to call you nutty and make you feel stupid. The right wing main stream media isn't weak hell you got the wall street journal one of the only news papers I would read every day.
How am I supposed to get the actors to come out?
Detective work.
It all is starting to make sense
http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/98
What I don't see anything beside some hippies holding hands and some cop beating people.Want to fill me in? I will listen to your claim this is a hoax if you can find the people involved. You got friends. you have computer access. You can ask question. what's stopping you from finding them?
I didn't make the claims. However, many did - even before it began. Now that I see it, it makes sense.
Yes I can make claims too. but if they don't have proof there just other just jacking each other off.
There are just too many signs that it is true. I will continue to watch, but know the right is ready for whatever comes our way.
Yes believe everything your read.
I don't. But, when fifteen different people are telling you it's a turd, the possibility that it is a turd is quite high.
I saw the videos, Some of it was hard to swallow, but other things made me think twice, such as perfect audio on a camera being banged around, and the marks on the sidewalks that look an awful lot like stage markings. I guess at this juncture OWSers should just be aware of these accusations and keep the ole eyes peeled. Other sources have suggested this may be an attempt to bring about martial law. they got to start filling those FEMA camps sometime. Good luck down there in the trenches.
Uhm.. At first, I thought maybe they were the same people, and I decided to give this video a chance, but the third guy with the 'micro expressions' is absolutely not the same person as the picture. LOL
LULZ
Ridiculous
Rex diamond you don't know much do you. I bet you think the modern media does its own independent research and form there own opinions. thanks for permalinking me looks like you won in your own mind
permalinking you? I bet I have a better knowledge on how the media operates than you think.
prove it.
Prove what? You made a statement that I do not know that the media does their own fact finding. Define what media you are referring to.
Cable and internet.
You have to sort out if the source is AP accredited. You also have to separate the op-ed media and actual sourced news.
Most all the main outlets parrot what the NYT reports. The NYT gets its news from the AP wire. That's where bias comes in. Lying and bias are not one in the same.
So where did this occupy being fake fit in with the new york times and the ap wire?
It is an independent source and investigation. He is not AP accredited. His research is primary. Nevertheless, it is still considered a source that people should form their own opinion on. It should not be considered proven beyond a shadow of doubt. If he is proven right, he rises in the ranks.
So why are you putting your word out there on something someone somewhere believes but can't prove seems a little odd to me.
I am not basing my beliefs on just that video. I will say that it is beyond just a suspicion, but not solidified until I see the proof.
The problem with the occupy people is they do not exercise their second amendment rights. Just imagine, what will the police do when five thousand armed citizens say we are not going to be assulted by you today? Start a war? There are 300 million citizens in the U.S. and sheep as they are allow them selves to be hearded by a few sheep dogs. Pathetic!
Occam's razor From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For the aerial theatre company, see Ockham's Razor Theatre Company. It is possible to describe the other planets in the solar system as revolving around the Earth, but that explanation is unnecessarily complex compared to the modern consensus that all planets in the solar system revolve around the Sun.
Occam's razor, also known as Ockham's razor,
and sometimes expressed in Latin as lex parsimoniae
(the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness),
is a principle that generally recommends selecting from among competing hypotheses the one that makes the fewest new assumptions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
Explain further how it pertains to OWS.
Forum Post: It all may be fake
at some point one must make conclusions about what is fake and real on the internet
Too many red flags from the beginning. Others were hinting towards this months ago. Even before it began, there were those warning that the Left would try something like this. I ruled them out as conspiracy theorists. I am taking a second look.
Seems to me we've done a pretty good job of screwing things up in this country all on our own the past few decades. If Soros is the one behind this movement, stirring up the masses, maybe its a good thing. He could have done nothing - and just waited a while longer - until we completed our self destruction all by ourselves.
Everyone pretty much already knew Soros was behind the "movement," but the question has always been, how?
So I guess now you know. No matter. The movement now has a life of its own.
Sure, but that doesn't make it effective. Soros is a terrorist. Plain and simple.
Right. So Soros is an ineffective terrorist. The sad/funny thing is how he (if we are to believe its true) got the anarcho syndacalists all whipped up into a frenzy thinking they are going to take over the world. Now thats funny. Anarchist group think is quite delusional.
I know that moveon and the mutitude sites have been around for quite some time.
I also know that college students don't drop from the sky with their heads filled with all such things as appear here.
I know it's highly unusual for all posters to a public forum to be possessed of exactly the same writing style.
I know it's unusual for a movement or public voice to come into being overnight, especially without some force or mastermind; and that to adopt such a highly secretive stance in reference to its core, is also highly unusual..
The guy is spot on about the videos - these are cops wearing what would be considered "Class As" to heated riot conditions; more the shoes show no sign at all of any previous wear. My concern all along has been that some have been sent to stage, video, and incite. And now they have this whole band of fools as followers. And we are them Because most people, are very easily influenced.
So my purpose is to educate. And determine the direction of this insidious brew.
Very well put. There is no way those cops would be standing there with their hands in their pockets - without riot gear. That was quite a production.
LOL the liberals have been busy little bees after last November's ass slam.
Busted!
Anyone want to comment on this?
I will. It's bullshit.
The video is pretty hard to discredit. How will people feel knowing they were duped like this?
Let me discredit it further: it's TOTAL bullshit. (that actually wasn't hard at all).
Prove it wrong. Don't just say it's bullshit. How did you come to that conclusion?
1)The OWS movement exists in over 1800 cities, more 20 countries, on every continent on Earth (including Antarctica, see pictorial evidence: http://www.neatorama.com/2011/10/18/occupy-antarctica/)
2) Move on.org is an American (US) progressive political action group.
3). Move on.org is not in any of the foreign, countries where the movement is flourishing.
4) Thus Moveon.org is not "behind the OWS movement" or in control fo the movement.
Yes it is. Stop lying. It's totally obvious. And stop with the "we are world wide" bullshit. All your members "world wide" would barely fill up a large football stadium
White Supremacists are world wide. It doesn't make the some kind of majority.
lol, nice try. 150-180,000 marched in solidarity with OWS in Rome alone on a single day, over 50,000 marched on the port in Oakland. The Oakland camp has daily GAs with more 3,000 in attendance.
Bullshit. The 10/15 "Global Day of Protest" was planned and announced BEFORE OWS even started in NYC. It was coordinated by some of the same groups involved with OWS. There also was a concerted attempt to present it as being in sympathy to lend a sense of a greater "movement."
Likewise, most of the various Occupy groups in the US were organized in advance of OWS starting in NYC for the same reason - to give the impression of some spontaneous arising of a "movement."
None of the above is conspiracy but rather fact that is borne out by looking at the sites, Twitter, and other correspondence from those involved. Because the media is lazy and wants to present it in some romanticized fashion doesn't change the reality.
The last thing the MSM wants to do, is believe in OWS.
Gimme a break. You guys have had a complete pass as just "a spontaneous demonstration by a bunch of frustrated college kids in the park" from MSM until some of the trouble very recently. I've still yet to see any mention of the facts of how it was organized and came together in any nightly news broadcast. Hell, even Geraldo is stlll sticking with that crap. lol
Right...you can go back to sleep. The Status Quo has you.
Again. Useful idiots. Those not smart enough to know they are being duped - used merely for numbers and noise. You are what is called a culture jammer. You follow a philosophy called American Autumn.
It will fail. You cannot take out the majority.
What do you believe in Rex? The rich getting richer, the poor getting crushed, the good Earth getting ruined, and the whole, ugly, inhuman system marching on in lock-step to oblivion? Count me out.
I don't believe in tricking people to get what you want. This is a sorry attempt to battle the evils in our World. There are better ways. Stop following the likes of George Soros - who secretly hates you.
Who am I tricking? And who is George Soros? I don't follow anyone but me. My eyes are wide open, and all I see is an inhuman and cruel power structure crushing the poor and deifying the wealthy. it's sick to its very core, and it has to stop.
We all have to learn to live together, or we'll die alone.