Forum Post: Is this reform a Marxism?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 12, 2011, 9:09 p.m. EST by GeneralAL33
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Im all for the movement but whats the difference?
It always comes down to shifting revenue towards the top or the bottom, all of the dogmatic "isms" are either on one side of that argument or the other, the only difference is a matter of percentage.
Forget Marxism. Nobody understands it anyway, even those people who think they do. It is not relevant here except for the rabid ideological old guard leftists stuck in the past and totally misunderstanding Marx. The reform is driven by people who are pissed off and suffering. Suffering creates the potential for change. The catalyst is leadership and ideas. This is the dialectic of change. As suffering and dissension increases, opportunities for change and social transformation increase. The energy has to be channeled into a direction to be articulated by those who are prepared to take up the mantle of leadership and who can articulate a course of action.
"It is not relevant here except for the rabid ideological old guard leftists stuck in the past"
How is it not relevant? Did classes disappear? Did the capitalist exploitation of labor go away? Is there no longer a 'reserve army' of unemployed? Did capitalism stop going through cycles of crises due to its inherent contradictions? Did workers stop struggling against their bosses? Did wars for profit stop being waged all over the world? I must have missed that.
You missed the point. Marxism is misunderstood, it is not locked into a formulaic solution. The essence of the philosophy is that society changes and human consciousness changes and the new socio-economic realities mean the theory has to be updated. The old class categories are not so clear in modern capitalism, you have workers who are well-off and who have stocks and have more in common with the capitalists since they are so invested in the system. Communism has been totally discredited with the likes of Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and others. So too Marxism. Socialism is bandied about but not really understood either. It is best to be practical about change. If you want to use Marxism as an organizing tool, good luck. You won't get anywhere. I am saying this from someone who studied Marxism for years. Marx's critique on Capitalism, from what I know, is fairly right-on. His prescription for leading us to his vision of what a society should be, is not. You want a Dictatorship of the Proletariat? Dude, what kind of organizing have you done.?Talk to any real people lately? I am 60 years old and say this from years of experience. For better or worse, Marxist Ideology has been tainted and is no longer appropriate here except as a tool of understanding historical conditions. But, if you are a true believer and need the security of a dogma, go for it. Best to discover truth on your own.
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Marx predicted it, but it's certainly not communism.
Naaah. It's two blocks down, turn left, third door. Ring the bell..
Marx is famous for providing an thorough analysis and critique of capitalism.
This movement is very polymorphous, with many people of differing beliefs and understandings.
What I think we can all agree on, is that things are very bad right now. There is rising poverty, suffering, war, corruption, and greed.
The political process of parliaments around the world is now under the influence of powerful corporations and the mega rich.
This needs to be resolved.
In my opinion, Marx's discoveries have a great deal of relevance, however there is no political authority or requirements to this movement, so all that's important is the discussion, and ideally, participation in the demonstration!!!
No we're democratic socialists
No it's not Marxism, I'm a Marxist and based on the list of demands this reform is only a reform. Marxism is a revolution.
I am a Marxist,too and I think this movement has the potential to change into a revolutionary movement
Maybe, It's still a pretty small movement and knowing this country I doubt it will turn into much. We can only hope.
Yay so am I! Nice to meet you comrade!
You too comrade.
I am a Marxist,too and I think this movement has the potential to change into a revolutionary movement
If it officially calls for and end to Capitalism, or our Democratic Republic, I will no longer partcipate, and will discourage others as well. Get the money out of politics and return the power of our government to the people..YES! Corporate and bankster paid for politics is the enemy to us all.
The ONLY plan that will work is if local Representatives, I mean they will represent about 2 square miles, have to come home from a LOCAL county assembly to the GLARING eyes of his or her CONSTITUANTS, and explain how our TAX money is being spent. It is the ONLY way. If the Representative is not intimidated by our ideas and our expectations for how OUR tax money will be spent in our physical presence in our Local Assembly, they will never ever feel the need to give us what we demand: Health Care, Education, Social Security, Green Energy, and a War-Less Future. I think its called Democracy
Where I come from there isn't anybody in 2 square miles. You are right about the dilution of empathy with remoteness. It's an issue that can benefit from social media closeness in addition to physical closeness. Representatives who didn't have to spend all of their time with lobbyists begging money could spend more time learning what their constituents want and need.
The ONLY plan that will work is if local Representatives, I mean they will represent about 2 square miles, have to come home from a LOCAL county assembly to the GLARING eyes of his or her CONSTITUANTS, and explain how our TAX money is being spent. It is the ONLY way. If the Representative is not intimidated by our ideas and our expectations for how OUR tax money will be spent in our physical presence in our Local Assembly, they will never ever feel the need to give us what we demand: Health Care, Education, Social Security, Green Energy, and a War-Less Future. I think its called Democracy
Start a movement! Eat a prune
More like a pure demoncracy from what I understand. And like a pure democracy, there is no real direction. One thing that seems to resonate is the desire to remove corruption in the government via lobbying and campaign contributions. At least....that's why i am involved and looking to become more so.
/communism?