Forum Post: Is there any way to get rid of violent shitheads on this forum?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 8:38 a.m. EST by liveandletlive
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Who hates gay people? THIS guy hates gay people. He has threatened the use of violence against a teacher and should be banned:
RetardedProtestor said:
Or just completely fed up with people trying to dictate how I am "supposed to live." I don't watch TV anymore because I am sick of the Gay agenda, the Liberal news and the constant hate talk of Christians. Its in the TV, Radio, advertising. Sick to death of it.. I do not go forcing my religious views, which are not Christian, down anyones throat, I am sick and tired of seeing and hearing it on every freaking channel on TV and movies. I boycotted every company that advertised with Will and Grace, and continue to do so, with all the others. And if for one second you think that shit will happen in my son's school, I will have to be arrested because I will kill that son of a bitch who thinks my 2nd grader needs to know about alternative lifestyles. Only I have the right to teach my child about that.. So sick of all this.. I seriously hope God does come down and do to the world what he did to Sodom and Ghamorrah.. We could use the peace and quite.
He is probably in the closet...self loathing
definitely. it's sad. but it's so not acceptable to threaten violence against anyone. and he's threatening me, now, as well. he can't handle the bright light of truth. he wants to hide in comments in a forum. hate has no home here. etc.
just tell him to shut the fuck up
did it. he threatened me with violence.
if he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing.
the gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded shitheads like this guy.
The moderator(s) of this forum, if there are any, should continuously delete those making hateful comments towards anyone, and those who are obviously pretending to be inside the movement.
Well, agreed. I tried to make this as contentious as possible to get some attention from a "moderator," but all I got was general ire. And, of course, no one addressed this point:
If he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing. The gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded dangerous people like this guy.
Getting tired of this board anyway. Increasingly a serious waste of time...
Ignore them.
I think that's a good idea for the normal troll morons. But in this case, violent hate-speech needs to be called out. And frankly, I think that #OWS should clean house in this Forum. It shouldn't be allowed.
They have moderators on the Chat board on the livestream, why not here? Lots would volunteer to clean out the vermin, including me...
I agree with you with regard to normal trolls, because what they are touting here is being used by outside groups to try to discredit the Occupation. Unfortunately I have one too many right wingers in the family, and so I'm seeing the nonsense coming through her FB posts. Thankfully, much of it is fake, such as the picture of the anti-war sentiments taken from a Portland anti-war march years ago, or the discussion of anti-semitic organizations giving support to OWS. I just don't want to see that language here. And to support your use of the word "vermin" to WorkingClassAntiHero below, nobody ever got into trouble tagging the Nazi's with the worst derogatory language out there...!
First off, please don't begin referring to people as vermin. Makes me nervous. I know what you mean but I get quantum leap flashbacks to 1930s Germany and its just not healthy.
Truth is dumb people are going to do dumb things and there is very little that can be done to stop them. Publicly opposing violence and letting it be known that it is not SOP for the OWS is really all that can be done. When someone does something violence, ignorant or stupid, ostracize them. Shame them out of the pack. Do not accost or confront them, just shun them in the old ways. They'll either regret what they've done and attempt to change their behavior, or they'll miss the point and leave.
re: "vermin," you make a good point; my apologies. I'll try not to do that again.
re: "little that can be done to stop them," no, I disagree. I believe in the 1st amendment, but it doesn't apply to people who are advocating violence against one group or another, it simply doesn't. People who advocate shooting teachers if they "teach my kid about the gays" shouldn't have a forum to spout their hate speech.
I don't believe silence is a good idea. Would you advocate silence if the person were talking about hate speech relating to black people? Or women?
They don't leave. They continue to troll. And they should be banned. That's what social networking sites--and discussion forums should, in fact, be doing. Otherwise, it's just a soapbox for the violent and sociopathic. So, we differ on that front.
You know that old saying "you can't cure stupid?" Its true. There will be no changing the minds of small minded, ignorant people. Barking in an argument with them may feel righteous and satisfying, but nothing you can say to them will either change their minds, or will suddenly enlighten anyone around upon anything they don't already know.
In the real world, on the street, getting into an argument with them only draws attention to them, and despite whether it is received or not by others, they're still getting attention. In the end, you'll think they're an asshole, they'll work out some monosyllabic insult or two and they'll walk away feeling reassured that "they showed you," while you'll simply be angry, reminded at what astounding and monumental ignorance there still exists within society.
As far as online goes, arguing with them there only bumps their threads. Same with the neocon chickenhawks and corporatists. Beyond even this as well, I'd rather live in a world where an idiot can speak his idiotic ideals freely with public reaction serving as the measure of right and wrong as opposed to the limits of speech being drawn upon what makes people feel comfortable.
So again, what purpose does arguing with an imbecile serve, save for drawing attention and in some small level, lending legitimacy to their claims?
Yeah, no, this is about as unsatisfying as it gets. Two goals: a) shining light on pure violent hatred. I think that needs to be done as vociferously today against anti-gay hatred as it was done against anti-black hatred. They are one and the same. And while you can't cure stupid, you can continue to announce what it is and what it looks like. You wouldn't have used that argument if this was about some guy threatening someone over teaching about civil rights and "the blacks." This is no different.
b) I think this forum should be moderated. Period. Yes, it's not the highest priority. But there are moderators on the chat board for the videostream, and they need to be here too. There are no lack of volunteers who could perform this function.
As for arguing with them and "bumping their thread" well, that was my plan. People should know that violent murderous hate speech is happening. This isn't a difference of opinion. You can't have marches for freedom on the streets and ignore hate-speech when it's "inconvenient." If this guy were in the #OWS march spouting his madness, he'd be shouted out in no uncertain terms.
As for "legitimizing their claims," um, NO. That's not what this does, and I don't accept that premise. I'm shining a light on their ugliness and that should be done. Repeatedly.
Again, if this were a black person this guy hated, no one would argue with me.
So, while I appreciate the feedback, it would be nice if some of my "supporters" would actually friggin support the issue, rather than try to talk me out of raising it. You support #OWS? Great. But the fight isn't just in the streets, dude. For fuxxake.
People are aware of ignorance though. And hate speech. Its like breast cancer. We can raise awareness all we like with flowery speeches and symbols. It doesn't do anything to fix it and we all already know about it.
As far as moderation goes...sheesh. Ever try moderating an active message board? Its impossible to keep adequate track of. As soon as you ban a troll, they use one of their hundred yahoo or gmail accounts to start up another account. Hell, some forums I've been in, trolls have dozens and dozens lined up and ready to go as soon as one of them is taken down.
Just as in society, there is not institutional way to cure or address ills such as these. Only popular social repulsion will do. NAMBLA, to try to think of the worst of "public organizations" is still around, but without even so much as an official state or federal action to do so, everyone already knows they're horrid terrible people with an unacceptable agenda. Hate speech will be confronted over and over and those buying into it will not change their minds. Those around are aware, but it sounds as though you're speaking of taking a righteous stand for the sake of taking a righteous stand.
This movement is about more than social harmony. Its about corruption of government by the private sector institutions. People will bring their own philosophies every which way they can and often, they'll be reprehensible on their face. Lets not allow these small minded individuals to in anyway sidetrack what we're doing.
Hate. One of the core values and tactics of the right wing.
Absolutely. It's all fear driven. And this is what xenophobia and Fox propagate: fear of the "other."
If this guy were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing. The gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded dangerous people like this guy.
Sounds like a pathetic, insecure troll with nothing better to do than to spread vitriol.
yes. but i'm trying to really do two things: one, get him banned. two, get #OWS to understand that this place needs a moderator. Lively debate? Name calling? Whatever. That's fine. Threatening murder? No so much.
I agree, there should be a little bit of moderation. Only for threats of violence and the like.
Yes. Agreed 100%. That's all I'm really asking for. No one at the switch on #OWS, prolly because their hands are full running a revolution...
I have had run-ins with this commentator myself, he, (or she), is vicious. Maybe I overreacted myself, but we can't let the bully element push us around. They are counting on our timidity in their attempt to hijack this site. The bravery that is shown every day by the young people of this movement should be extended to this site, it is the least we can we do.
I agree, but anyone who threatens to kill someone should be removed from the board. plain and simple.
did it. he threatened me with violence.
if he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing.
the gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded hate mongers like this guy. This isn't just about economic justice, it's about human rights abuses. I'm amazed at how few people here get that.
You're right, a little moderation is needed, which should include removal.
Jesus, thanks. It's amazing how many defenders of this guy's violence there are. Including someone who said me calling him a "shithead" is even remotely similar. Truly surreal.
I got carried away too in one exchange. The one problem with the removal scenario is that it is very easy to change names and start all over again, being this is such a wide open website.
Yes. It's whack-a-troll. But this is actually more than a hobophobic scary dude. This goes to a bigger issue. The #OWS doesn't really think this board should be moderated.
But here's the thing: if this guy actually did go out and hurt someone, this would be a very very bad thing indeed for #OWS. Also, if someone who reads this guy's hate-speech went out and said "Fuck yeah! Fuck the gays!" and beat the shit out of some gay people? What then?
My concern is that hate-speech should stop. Period. If he were saying this about black people, there'd be no end of shouting him down. But it's not. So, it's okay. It's soooo not okay.
All I can say is that I get into my own battles here, and I try to do what is right. The important thing is to speak up.
Agreed. I'm trying to do that. The thing no one has mentioned is that people like this? They make it okay to do hate and spread violence. Forget for a moment that he's a homophobe. This movement is about non-violence--not violence.
It's that simple.
I am just interested what the gay "agenda" is.
Every homosexual person I know doesn't seem to have an agenda - secret or otherwise. Just want the same rights as everyone else.
yeah, basic human rights. but this guy is not about that. he's about hating the "other." and violence.
It's easy. Just need up down click availability for posts (not just comments). The cream will rise to the top. And the $&@;& will sink to the bottom.
yeah, but he needs to be removed from the board. he doesn't play nice. and he has indicated an intention to cause violence. he actually threatened me, directly. he needs to be banned. #OWS needs to manage this site or assign people who can. not top priority, but this is increasingly about violent threat. also, people get away with threatening gay people in this country, and it should fucking stop. now.
if he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying?
Your strongest defense is to label him as trolling and then ignore him. He needs the attention. Depriving him of that is like depriving a fire of oxygen.
You are exactly right. You can't have a civil debate of the issues with them. Their commentary is based on insults and name calling. That tells me that nothing to say to support their positions. Here's an example one troll encounter:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-wall-street-protesters-losers/#comment-63188
you have a point, but i disagree. i think he should be called out on it--repeatedly. but i think the best defense is to delete the idiot's account. this isn't just trolling--this is someone threatening violence against a school teacher. if he actually went out and did something? there could be liability issues.
hate speech is not free speech, and it shouldn't be allowed--anywhere.
So if the teacher molested your child, you would just stand by and let it happen?
Sometimes, the only way to change the minds of the masses is through violence. If this were not true, there would be no wars. thinking that you can prevent violence or war is stupid.
The guy is obvioulsy pissed.. I was too when they screwed up my daughter. I had to yank her from that school and put her into a private school. Counseling every day.
Maybe, you could teach him not to be violent.. But I understand, that pervert, was a teacher.. was on the sex offender website. Molested 3 children. And they gave him that job as a teacher. Sorry.. I agree with him..
you don't understand the point. no one said anything about molestation but you. You clearly can't read. I'm not here to teach him how not to hate or be violent. He's a threat. He doesn't belong here. He ginned himself up into a hate frenzy:
RetardedProtestor 1 points 3 minutes ago Or just completely fed up with people trying to dictate how I am "supposed to live." I don't watch TV anymore because I am sick of the Gay agenda, the Liberal news and the constant hate talk of Christians. Its in the TV, Radio, advertising. Sick to death of it.. I do not go forcing my religious views, which are not Christian, down anyones throat, I am sick and tired of seeing and hearing it on every freaking channel on TV and movies. I boycotted every company that advertised with Will and Grace, and continue to do so, with all the others. And if for one second you think that shit will happen in my son's school, I will have to be arrested because I will kill that son of a bitch who thinks my 2nd grader needs to know about alternative lifestyles. Only I have the right to teach my child about that.. So sick of all this.. I seriously hope God does come down and do to the world what he did to Sodom and Ghamorrah.. We could use the peace and quite. reply permalink
You don't have to keep repeating it.. it sounds like you are the one spewing all the hate, and fear now..
I don't see anywhere in there where he threatens anyone particular. I do see where he is willing to kill to defend his child.. How is that violent? Should he allow his family to be corrupted, raped, molested, abused, because you think he shouldnot defend them?
What does that say about you?
I don't care what you think, I'm sorry. I would if you weren't defending hate speech. This needs to be brought to the attention of the #OWS, and it doesn't matter if you find it annoying.
You don't address my points. You dont' debate issues. You only want to find holes in my argument. You defend hate-speech. That's your right. But know this:
If he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing. The gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded dangerous people like this guy.
blacks are not trying to shove their dicks up his kids ASS.. that is a very different struggle, and an assult.
wow. you're insane. please. do you and everyone else here a favor. take your hatred elsewhere. you have no business being on a board where change and civil rights and basic freedoms are the issue. you are a fearful extremist who doesn't understand basic logic.
you really have no business here, as far as I can tell.
so.. its insane to allow a home invasion, a rape, a molestation? I think you need to have your values checked.
and frankly .. i see justification in that.. Ever seen the movie" A time to kill"? I suggest you do..
Please have a look at http://www.TheMultitude.org , a new, more organized OWS forum where trolls are banned.
Stop spamming.
I only post this where I think it'll be of interest -- people complaining about trolls and forum disorganization, or in troll posts themselves. I'm doing my best not to be a bother to anyone else out of context, but I apologize if it nevertheless seems like spamming.
I understand the good intent. I recognize that. I actually like your website. But I've seen that post in just about every thread I've opened. It's getting a little excessive...
I'll try and take it easy.
don't. keep up the pressure to have #OWS either do something, or agree to move people over there (or have an official link). this is ridiculous.
I'm not seeking to put pressure on the site through spamming. I don't want to obstruct people who would like to communicate here. I only want to make people aware that there's a solution to the problems they're experiencing.
If people get annoyed by my posts then that certainly isn't my intent, and when that's brought up to me it means I need to make more of an effort to keep my postings confined to specific places where they'll be appreciated.
well, something should be done to upgrade the "the Forum." spamming might not be the answer, but apparently there's no way to interact with anyone in charge at #OWS, and frankly, there should be.
Is this as important as tents and port-o-potties? no. but it's a part of #OWS and it'd be relatively easy to address...
well, excessive? perhaps. but he's trying to do something that should be done, to wit. have a more organized forum. this place is nuts. it was a great "starter" forum, but it's really just fucking insane. the fact that we're even in a thread about some fucking asshole who hates people and threatens violence tells you that this is not right.
I'm fighting for #OWS, but they really need to allocate a resource or two to this board; lots of people would their volunteer time.
Alright, fair enough. I'm all for free speech, but you've got a point and I can't really defend the violent threatening.
So in that case, m idea's bunk. Anyone else have any ideas?
Here's the link: http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-wouldnt-hire-any-of-you/#comment-74583
Seriously, there should be some board rules on this forum and a bunch of people administering it, banning people who break them. Totally unacceptable.
Maybe these so-called Christians ought to take the time to actually read Christ's teachings.
No where did Jesus advocate violence, intolerance, or hate.
It's a tactic by someone who is trying to culture jam us back. Just post 'troll' and walk on.
If he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing. The gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded dangerous people like this guy.
Heh, yeah, that guy said those exact words to me. He's scary.
Not really. In a true democracy everybody can speak. We can only stand united for our values and face them.
That's not true. Threatening to murder someone is not protected under the 1st amendment.
You are right, if the threat is credible. But the hate speech will stay as long as there is free speech.
“I do not go forcing my religious views” , “I am sick of the Gay agenda”
Reason is a horrible think to waste.
Illogical and grammatically suspect. But that's about right. Anyway, that is not what this is about. Sadly, you don't get it.
If he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing.
The gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded dangerous people like this guy.
Got hate?
People are allowed to hate - they aren't allowed to harm other people or property.
I'll respect his right to say it even though I disagree with him. - That is the liberal position.
People are not allowed to threaten murder. Hate-speech, as awful as it is, is one thing. Threatening to kill someone over an imagined threat? That's dangerous and needs to be addressed. It's unacceptable and frankly, if his kid's second grade teacher heard this, he'd have a case with the police. Doesn't matter than you think it falls under the 1st amendment. It doesn't.
if he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing.
The gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded shitheads like this guy.
Wake up and stop defending this violent person.
OWS is falling down on the job in this Forum, and that's disappointing. This would never happen in a moderated forum. Violence is banned from the "video chat," and should be banned here.
"I'll respect his right to say it even though I disagree with him. - That is the liberal position."
LOL. Fuck that. This isn't Patrick Henry, this is crazy guy with gun.
This is a guy who I disagree with who is extremely upset because he feels the government is forcing a way of life on his children he does not want for them.
I understand that kind of frustration.
He is also using a common expression - he isn't threatening anyone specifically so its not a crime. Nor is it a call to violence for the community.
Calm down. Deep breathe.
The man said he isn't the type to force his way of life on others and that would seem to include not killing people - right? He used an expression - maybe poorly but I think we can all understand it was hyperbole from the context.
No. This is a guy who started talking about something that wasn't even being discussed. He ginned himself up into threatening a violent--illegal-action against his kid's second grade teacher. And that's not even remotely acceptable.
And he is threatening someone, specifically. Do you know how to read. At all?
If he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing. The gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded dangerous people like this guy.
Calm down? How about trying to stop people from hating gay people? If your son or daughter or brother or sister were gay, and this guy beat the shit out of them for talking to his son or daughter, I don't think you'd be calm. Get it? Probably not.
I don't see him threatening anyone specifically. "I will kill that son of a bitch who thinks my 2nd grader needs to know about alternative lifestyles." - is who specifically?
The first step in getting people to not hate gay people is to calm down. If you're frothing at the mouth angry and so are they - do you really expect either of you to get anywhere?
No. The first step is to get fucking angry and defend against violent people and shout it out to the world.
You don't address any of my points. You just condescend. That's not a conversation. That's a dictate.
Have you ever been a minority? Do you have any idea what it's like to have people say hateful things about you?
I expect to get somewhere, eventually. One of my new goals is to ensure that hateful people--and those who defend hate-speech--are clearly pointed out and not allowed to infiltrate a peaceful, non-violent movement. And oh, FUCK YES, I'll shout it. Everyone who has a brain and a heart should. I'll say this one last time:
If he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing. The gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded dangerous people like this guy.
Ok get angry - see how well that works.
You can call the police - calmly if you believe this is a threat or you can try to cure the person of his hate but reacting to hate with hate won't solve or do anything except raise your blood pressure.
Well, it's getting attention of some, at least. That's what #OWS is doing. SHOUTING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS ABOUT INJUSTICE.
And that, my less than learned friend, is also what this is about on a smaller scale. But you don't get it.
And don't address the issues. That's fine. You're privileged to be in a majority in this world. But if you didn't, then maybe you'd see things differently, instead of from only one point of view.
What if you or someone you cared for were gay? Or, say, black and being attacked for it? You'd have a very different view, I guarantee it.
No need to reply. This isnt' a conversation. You dont hear. Only speak...
I don't hear because I don't reply with bold and in all caps and I am capable of having a discussion about emotional topics while remaining calm?
You certainly have an interesting perspective on the world. Maybe if you shouted a bit more in larger font I could hear better?
The only way to get attention is apparently to shout. That's not normally what I do. In this case, I believe it's warranted. As for my main points, most people who disagree don't have the basic perspicacity to understand or address them, and they spout apocryphal nonsense to prove their points. Hopefully, there will be a Forum filter at some point to remove hate-speech and those who promulgate it.
Has he been on yet to explain his rant?
Oh sure. He blames it on everyone but himself. The thing is: he is the one who brought all the "gay" issues up in the first place. That had nothing to do with the thread.
Dude has serious issues. The threat violence can't be allowed here; it's the opposite of the #OWS vision.
"Is there any way to get rid of violent shitheads on this forum?" you asked.
In case you haven't noticed, calling people names such as "shithead" IS in itself a form of violence. Perhaps you need to heal the hatred in your own heart as welll... We ALL do, so this is not just about you but about us all.
As Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn famously said: "If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
this person threatened to kill someone. i called him a shithead. that's violence the way that a spitball is similar to a hammer to the forehead. read before you post. he should be removed. you don't think so, great. if he actually went and hurt someone, there's a little something called the "legal system" that might want to know why #OWS didn't report him. know what I'm saying? it's not about forgiveness, it's about insane people using violent hate-speech.
"And if for one second you think that shit will happen in my son's school, I will have to be arrested because I will kill that son of a bitch who thinks my 2nd grader needs to know about alternative lifestyles. "
thanks for the feedback, tho.
If this person threatened to kill someone, why not IMMEDIATELY report him to the police? They will take it from there. If not, call the FBI. There, IMO, your duty lies. Screaming in a post that this person is a "shithead" can actually backfire and undermine YOUR credibility, so it risks sabotaging the very result you are trying to achieve.
I don't know this person. I don't know this person's real name or where he lives.
No. Calling a potential felon a shithead is, unfortunately, what it takes to get peoples' attention. Oh, and he actually is a shithead. Sorry. But violent homophobic people are not acceptable in this movement. 99.9% of the real supporters of this movement would agree. they ban people like this in the chat forum on the live video feed, but not here.
Last thing:
If he were threatening to kill someone over teaching his 2nd grader about martin luther king and the civil rights movement, this fucking board would be in an uproar. know what I'm saying? in fact, in a different time, that's exactly what he'd be doing. The gay struggle is the same as the black struggle. both minorities. both being demonized by fearful, small minded dangerous people like this guy.
Think about that.
DID you in fact immediately call the police and/or the FBI? That's all that counts: being QUICK and EFFICIENT.
I openly support the gay struggle and have written about it extensively. THAT is not the question here. The question is: how do we achieve the result that you want, that is keeping this man from hurting anyone?
Okay, so, call the police about him where? How? Where does he live? I don't know. No one knows.
You say you support the gay struggle, great. Then shout to the world that hate speech is acceptable on the #OWS forum. If they knew, they'd put a stop to it, I'm sure. Nothing gets done unless people shout. Contact #OWS--lord knows I have. But the more people who do, the more likely things will change. #OWS demands change! So do people who want to ban hatespeech on the #OWS board. As it turns out, violent people get banned quickly on the chat board on the videostream. Just not here for some reason.
See the analogy here?
You write: "Okay, so, call the police about him where? How? Where does he live? I don't know. No one knows." That's why I URGE you to contact the FBI, it's their JOB.
As for OWS censoring hate speech, do you have any idea as to the CONSTRAINTS those guys are working under? Aren't you demanding a little MUCH of the tiny team they have just recently assembled? If you are that convinced, you might consider just calming down and offering them your services as a volunteer,
I do understand their conditions. But they have several moderators at the videostream chat, and they could have moderators here too, if they wanted them. That's all I'm saying. I don't think it's unreasonable. This is a part of the movement too, and if violent people are banned at the Videostream chat--and they are--it should be banned here.
That's basic digital communications 101.
OK. Just two questions, after which I have to go. 1 - HAVE YOU FINALLY CALLED THE FBI? 2 - Are you prepared to VOLUNTEER for the Movement, as opposed to coaching them from your couch?
I have not called the FBI. That is not my job.
I am actually helping the #OWS lawyers draft up the declaration of principles. I hope that's okay with you??
Thanks for the feedback, though; jesus.
He must have been fed up with cry babies and left wingers who support the destruction of Christianity.
Or, he might just have been an insane, hate-mongering motherfucker. Could be that, too, or both. Probably both. Because, you know, what Jesus would do with the gays, right? He'd kill 'em all and let god...oh, wait. That can't be right.
Some pervert went to my daughters 3rd grade class and was trying to teach them about sex using anotomically correct dolls.. She came home screaming and crying.. had to take her to a shrink.. I can sympathize with him.
that's very hard to believe that a school would teach sex education to 3rd graders. have you got any verifiable facts to support your claim?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=40339
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puI4pfRB0w0
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,521209,00.html
http://yourblackworld.com/2011/09/07/should-gay-history-be-taught-in-public-schools/
http://www.lambdaliterary.org/features/04/25/ca-schools-already-teaching-gay-history/
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=319225
http://www.techimo.com/forum/debateimo-politics-religion-controversy/230416-california-school-teach-gay-education-elementary-grade-children.html
i didn't see anything about sex using dolls, but the gay rights thing seems a bit early for small children.
My six year old knows that our friends Anne and Eve love each other very much, just like Mama and Daddy do. What's the problem with that?
if they're your children and you want them to know about it, absolutely nothing. if you're conservative and don't want to your children to know about these things that's your right. but for the schools to do it is too much. if i had children i would be open about sexuality just like you are.
Who.. he said that?
he definitely did say exactly that. the guy's a complete loon. here's the link. :
http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-wouldnt-hire-any-of-you/#comment-74583
lively debate? fine. crazy hate-fucking-I-kill-you speech? not fine.
so you would allow someone to come into your childs school and molest them.. They dont have to be touched to be molested. They can be taught how to be gay from an early age.
Fearful. Fucked up. Not smart.
go to a forum where your hate views are welcomed.
a) you're an idiot. b) that's not what the issue is. c) so much for "government off our backs" d) see a.
I went over there.. and I saw how he got pushed into that..
Second.. this is a debate that needs to be addressed.
Not allowing someone to molest a child is not hate.
If you want government off your backs, then go back to work.
LOL. what? got pushed into it? how? the issue of "gay" was never even part of that discussion. he's insane. people who threaten violence against those who aren't like them are fearful and dangerous.
the issue of "molesting a child" is what you brought up; no one else. he just threatened to go and kill someone in that thread. did you not read it????
he could be arrested for it.
wake. the fuck. up.
And I quote
"And if for one second you think that shit will happen in my son's school, I will have to be arrested because I will kill that son of a bitch who thinks my 2nd grader needs to know about alternative lifestyles. Only I have the right to teach my child about that.. "
Where is it that he threatoned anyone particular? He said straight up.. if anyone tried to puch homosexualltiy onto his 2nd grader, he would kill the guy.. thats not violence.. thats a daddy protecting his family.
Jesus christ, really? He ginned himself up. See italics. you don't read too, um, er, good. his son's 2nd grade teacher is a real person. WTF is is confusing there?? unreal. that's not daddy protecting, that's daddy "projecting." he needs to be removed from the board. anyone who promotes violence should be removed.
I don't watch TV anymore because I am sick of the Gay agenda, the Liberal news and the constant hate talk of Christians. Its in the TV, Radio, advertising. Sick to death of it.. I do not go forcing my religious views, which are not Christian, down anyones throat, I am sick and tired of seeing and hearing it on every freaking channel on TV and movies. I boycotted every company that advertised with Will and Grace, and continue to do so, with all the others. And if for one second you think that shit will happen in my son's school, I will have to be arrested because I will kill that son of a bitch who thinks my 2nd grader needs to know about alternative lifestyles. Only I have the right to teach my child about that..
got it?
where does he say teacher? He said anyone who tries to teach his kid.. anyone
Thats a general threat... leave his kid alone.. no violence.
And if for one second you think that shit will happen in my son's school, I will have to be arrested because I will kill that son of a bitch who thinks my 2nd grader needs to know about alternative lifestyles.
Wow. Read much?
Where is the word teacher?
He straight out says he will stop that from happening. Because if he can't, then he will have to defend his child with force.. if they push it on his family his kid anyways, then he will go to the extreme. I wish I had before they messed with my daughter. To be honest, I wish I would have walked right in there and punched that pervert right in the face.
It's implied. He has a 2nd grader who is taught by a teacher. Ugh. Enough. You want to defend hate-speech when you should be telling this guy that it's wrong to hate people because they're different. Fine.
Then understand why people like you and he will never really be a part of this movement.
Why are you even here??
Implied is not a threat.,.. Its not even an admition of guilt.. It can't even hold up in court. One can make a general comment like.. "Fuck the World" That would be an implication that he is going to launch a nuclear attack.. right? Or have sex with a hole in the ground.
Unless he threatens a teacher directly, Implications are nothing more than poor choice of words, that you blow out proportion.
its obvious.. Common sense.. and the lack of it in this forum.