Forum Post: Is occupy wall street for smaller goverment??
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 12, 2011, 10:40 p.m. EST by mantaseed
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I cant help but notice the end the Fed statements every where is this an infiltration by Ron Paul, or does OWS support a smaller goverment??
I'm for better government, maybe smaller, probably smaller than some are suggesting, but the true metric is better. Too large, becomes a dictatorship in disguise, too small, becomes ineffective at best. Balance - why is this word a fading concept? Balance, facts, circumstances, decentralizing power so we don't risk dictatorship, but also learning to give and receive communal support (no, I didn't say the C word, that was a little c - more balance at work).
Agreed.
faints Sorry, not used to that. :)
:-)
How about just effective government? Who cares what size it is? A small government run by tyrants is no better than large government run by fools.
And how to you measure the size of a government anyway? Are there some metrics involved here? Or is "small" just anything that isn't progressive or liberal?
No. And as far as Paul goes... FFS. :-|
No to what question?
Wait, nevermind, you meant both, right?
Seems like the same question stated twice... I think.
There are indeed a lot of people around here trying to convince other people that the Fed is the boogeyman. They're succeeding because so few people here understand what the Fed is, or what it's function is. The Fed is on your side. They work to maintain a stable economy by manipulating monetary policy with the aim of keeping inflation low and employment high.
A lot of people fear the Fed because of its independence and secrecy. But think about it in terms of the calls from Occupy Wall Street protesters to reduce the influence of money on our government: Do you really want the Fed to lose its independence, bringing it under the influence of corporate lobbyists?
"The Fed is on your side. They work to maintain a stable economy by manipulating monetary policy with the aim of keeping inflation low and employment high."
Um. <SNORT>, I don't know if you've noticed, but ahh, inflation's blown through the roof (gold is at 1648, as opposed to 2004, when it was about 400), and unofficial stats are unemployment is about 25%, not including underemployment. 40% of all jobs out there are low wage jobs. As detailed in this asessment from the New America Foundation.
http://growth.newamerica.net/sites/newamerica.net/files/policydocs/26-04-11%20Middle%20Class%20Under%20Stress.pdf
Helicopter Ben's policies haven't exactly done what you said....
It should be under the US Treasury, not a private board of bankers.
Putting the Fed under the President's control would politicize its activities.
Congress would make decisions on a nationalized Federal Reserve:
Article 1, Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures
The Treasury Department is part of the executive branch, FYI.
I know, it's just that now the Treasury borrows money from the Federal Reserve right now. What I'm saying is that the Federal Reserve would be under the Treasury for certain things, but Congress would make decisions based on the Constitution.
Better government, efficient government , honest government, effective government, fair government, protective government, hmmmm.... smaller? Nope, that isn't the way we measure it.
Einstein said, "Things should be as simple as possible but not simpler" I think the government should be the right size to do the best job at the lowest cost.
So after you remove the folks who got their jobs with the only qualification being "loyalty to the president" I suppose that will make it a little smaller. Do the mercenaries of Blackwater (Xe) and their ilk (contractors) qualify as part of government? If so I guess their departure might make it smaller. The legion of contractors funded by the pork barrel project put in bills that the Congress don't even know are in them. Yep, probably turn out smaller.
Occupy supports neither bigger nor smaller government. Occupy supports better government.
Decentralized and smaller government at the same time is needed. To that end, we need is a comprehensive strategy, and related candidate, that implements all our demands at the same time, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
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Smaller government. States' rights.