Forum Post: Informal poll~ Do you think working harder helps the unemployed?
Posted 12 years ago on June 7, 2012, 6:04 p.m. EST by Misaki
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You are in a salaried job. Your customers are poor people, and you try to provide the best service possible.
If you work unpaid overtime, do you think this helps the economy? I know it would be easier to summarize results on a standard BBS, but I would like to know what OWS thinks about this.
I think people in salaried jobs, "exempt" employees are very much exploited with regard to the number of hours they work for no pay. This is a huge problem and labor laws do nothing to protect these workers. In addition, an exempt employee doing the work of two people prevents some other poor soul from having a paid job which would contribute to the economy.
I've seen this first hand. People will be booked to work only 2 or 3 hours in a week if they are reprimanded for something. Its basically firing someone by forcing them to quit. Since there is no employment contract, and no union to step in and force the employer to dole out hours fairly, the employer can get away with this.
LOL. When I saw your message pop up I thought it was you know who. LOLOL. I agree with you. Employers are getting away with all types of b.s.
LOL... I pissed the original Betsy off in another thread :)
Too funny. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqTvjbYYkTo
It isn't entirely being 'forced' to do it; males especially are likely to feel it makes them look dedicated to the job, and in fact it may even lead to this result. For example the number of males who work more than 40 hours per week: http://www.gallup.com/poll/122510/Self-Employed-Workers-Clock-Hours-Week.aspx
And comments on a culture where working hard, "even if you're playing Tetris" makes you look good: http://mikethemadbiologist.com/2009/07/27/on_work_and_time_in_science/
yay, I knew "the accelerated work week" wasn't hard to understand!
Especially important is that a single person has no reason to "fight" for higher wages once they have enough money. If a corporation is very profitable this means that the share of revenues going to wages will decrease if people works too much.
no it helps the 1% put more money in their pockets.. all workers being paid more helps the economy because they actually spend the money they make . money is useless sitting around in a stock or a bank. it does nothing to help the economy operate. money is the lubricant that keeps the moving parts from seizing up. as you can see with this depression, the less money in circulation,, the more the economy dies.
yay we agree! This lets me stop arguing on this point because it shows that smart people are already aware of this.
This suggests that the reason people don't voice support for the accelerated work week is they don't trust their bosses to trust them, probably due to "the cost of noncompliance with social norms".
Nope. It helps The Man.
Thanks for the response! It's nice to see that everyone is in agreement on this.
a get frustrated standing in line for a cashier at CVS (local drug store chain)
I think
Why do they slave what few employees they have instead of hiring more?
Because you keep visiting the store. Sad but true
I just feel sorry for people who don't live in an area with a store that offers low prices for food. But I guess some people can afford it.
I avoided the store today
A store that I sometimes go to lowered the price of bread from 99¢/loaf to 89¢/loaf. I was surprised.
It also has hamburger and hotdog buns for 59¢/pack of 8. They were removed for a while, then reintroduced at 99¢/pack, then eventually brought back down to 59¢/pack. Ones that were close to expiring were even discounted to 29¢/pack, which is pretty ridiculous since that's 4¢/bun and a hamburger patty will cost probably 30~60¢ at least.
hell no
Thank you for your response. I must admit I am surprised. Need other people to respond as well though.
I work so much unpaid OT its unreal. But I can tell you it makes a difference in my customers experience.
Im not sure the impact it has on the overall economy, but I can say that hard work is a def a good thing.
If people enjoy hard work why do they object to higher taxes to fund job creation, That is the question.
For some reason they have this mindset that their superiors are "just better than them" or "worked harder" or some other "rugged individual" crap that they have been fed since they were little. The reality is WAY more complicated than that.
Hard Work -> Riches is a fairy tale. In reality people need to be in the right place at the right time, or have something completely unique (hard to do when there are billions of us on this planet.) School and hard work only puts people in the position to get lucky, they still have to be born in the right place, where their skill matches the place that they live in, and the area that they were born in gives them the opportunity to succeed. Why are there no Biochemists from Sierra Leone? What medical breakthroughs are happening in Nigeria?
I thought we were speaking about the USA, not the globe?
Many employers are prejudiced depending on what school someone went to.
A super-brilliant person who grew up in a poor neighborhood might go to college and be the best in their graduating class, but a business might still hire the stupid rich kid who went to an Ivy League school (proof1, proof2).