Forum Post: Impossible to imagine revolution without bombs and bullets
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 18, 2011, 2:16 a.m. EST by RichardGates
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73gtsiWu8g4&feature=relmfu
so impossible to imagine that you've made my point. this is not an avocation of violence but an observation of a revolution without it and the significance of it. maybe you are the one who needs to imagine harder.
@mcc your annoying with that post
You have the right to you own opinion, but the point of a non-violent protest is that it allows everyone the opportunity to join a cause without the fear of death. Its not beneficial to put the lives of many at risk and risk those who may be lost in the process when they may very well be the very same who one day may hold the key to providing a better future tomorrow.
i have read some of your other posts. you need to relax homie. you are spreading fear and paranoia.
re-read the post. stop letting the trolls get you hot and bothered.
Noted. Although I'm not to sure about the spread of fear and paranoia. If anything my response to your's was avoidance and a warning against the terms or even abstract use of those terms.
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this is exciting and scary
We have been mislead by Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, and nearly every other public figure. Economic growth, job creation, and actual prosperity are not necessarily a package deal. In fact, the first two are horribly misunderstood. Economic growth/loss (GDP) is little more than a measure of wealth changing hands. A transfer of currency from one party to another. The rate at which it is traded. This was up until mid ’07′ however, has never been a measure of actual prosperity. Neither has job creation. The phrase itself has been thrown around so often, and in such a generic political manner, that it has come to mean nothing. Of course, we need to have certain things done for the benefit of society as a whole. We need farmers, builders, manufacturers, transporters, teachers, cops, firefighters, soldiers, mechanics, sanitation workers, doctors, managers, and visionaries. Their work is vital. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that we need politicians, attorneys, bankers, investors, and entertainers. In order to keep them productive, we must provide reasonable incentives. We need to compensate each by a fair measure for their actual contributions to society. We need to provide a reasonable scale of income opportunity for every independent adult, every provider, and share responsibility for those who have a legitimate need for aid. In order to achieve and sustain this, we must also address the cost of living and the distribution of wealth. Here, we have failed miserably. The majority have already lost their home equity, their financial security, and their relative buying power. The middle class have actually lost much of their ability to make ends meet, re-pay loans, pay taxes, and support their own economy. The lower class have gone nearly bankrupt. In all, its a multi-trillion dollar loss taken over about 30 years. Millions are under the impression that we need to create more jobs simply to provide more opportunity. as if that would solve the problem. It won’t. Not by a longshot. Jobs don’t necessarily create wealth. In fact, they almost never do. For the mostpart, they only transfer wealth from one party to another. A gain here. A loss there. Appreciation in one community. Depreciation in another. In order to create net wealth, you must harvest a new resource or make more efficient use of one. Either way you must have a reliable and ethical system in place to distribute that newly created wealth in order to benefit society as a whole and prevent a lagging downside. The ‘free market’ just doesn’t cut it. Its a farce. Many of the jobs created are nothing but filler. The promises empty. Sure, unemployment reached an all-time low under Bush. GDP reached an all-time high. But those are both shallow and misleading indicators. In order to gauge actual prosperity, you must consider the economy in human terms. As of ’08′ the average American was working more hours than the previous generation with far less equity to show for it. Consumer debt, forclosure, and bankruptcy were also at all-time highs. As of ’08′, every major American city was riddled with depressed communities, neglected neighborhoods, failing infrastructures, lost revenue, and gang activity. All of this has coincided with massive economic growth and job creation. Meanwhile, the rich have been getting richer and richer and richer even after taxes. Our nation’s wealth has been concentrated. Again, this represents a multi-trillion dollar loss taken by the majority. Its an absolute deal breaker. Bottom line: With or without economic growth or job creation, you must have a system in place to prevent too much wealth from being concentrated at the top. Unfortunately, we don’t. Our economy has become nothing but a giant game of Monopoly. The richest one percent already own nearly 1/2 of all United States wealth. More than double their share before Reagan took office. Still, they want more. They absolutely will not stop. Now, our society as a whole is in serious jeapordy. Greed kills.
Couldn't agree more that's why we should have let the banks fail instead of bailing them out if big companies become "too big to fail" then they are given a position of perpetual wealth.The government use the money of the smae people who got screwed by them to bail them out and we didn't have a choice. Not to mention that the money printed is being charged interest by the federal reserve. Which should be abolished this country was not designed to have a central bank and definitely not to give one that much power.
no i see it too..clearly everyone that works 15 hour days to be in the 1% is a goon....clever name calling.....kind of discredits anything else you say...just chose to stop reading...sorry.....later...
yours truly,
Goon
The answer is 'no'. I won't stop calling out obvious attempts to discredit the cause or divert our attention. The answer is 'no'. Now, I'm off to another page.
you discredit it by being part of it....name calling is not progressing anything...
dude you need to lighten up. you speak for you and i speak for me. the number of people that are part of this are far beyond your say. i have been active in this long before it was popular to give a sh!t or ows and if you had the actual movement at heart you would not be suppressing fresh replies and spamming posts with absurd amounts of text. noting i have advocated is violent or out of line with protesting peacefully for my position. i would appreciate you not being a hypocrite and trying to discredit me and inversely causing the discrediting of your trending give a damn.
Don't you understand how important it is to refrain from references having to do with violence when addressing a large number of protestors? C'mon. Bombs and bullets? I can't help but suspect that it's an attempt to discredit the cause.
no way, totally the opposite point i was making. the implication of revolution without them is profound in and of itself, giving even more credibility that ows is the right path. trolls got you jacked up huh?
Alright. I see your point. Yes. The organized attempt to discredit this cause does have me jacked up. I still think it's pretty risky to even mention bombs and bullets under these circumstances but I do see your point.
Yes. I have been pasting several entries but only because I want as many people as possible to read them. You bet your ass my heart is in this. I've been all over this cause for several years now. My text is not absurd. In fact, that paragraph is broken down about as far as it can be without leaving out vital issues. The long version is well over 30 full pages.
Sorry for giving you a hard time. Well, I'm getting back to work now. Later.
ok, could you remove the remark at the top, maybe expand on the point with direction instead of calling me an ass?
yes trolls got this dude jacked up.. he thinks that there are "club rats" and he thinks that we are one of them. and btw he just copy and paste what he say and he is a little paranoid.
http://blog.richardkentgates.com have some support links in the right column as well a poll if you would like to participate, and the rest is just my blather.
:) word
so nobody supports survival of the fittest?
no one needs to
that's a natural law
natural law and yet do u live by it? would u kill some one or urself for the better of the species?
Probably not, only because how am I to really know what is better for the species? There are few ways in which one can actually know if something will be better or not. I would not kill another, but might sacrifice myself for someone, not a betterment of the species though. Jesus tried to do that...and look where it got us...
I don't live by it