Forum Post: If America Should Go Communist
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 9:09 a.m. EST by TroskoMan
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"If America Should Go Communist" was a pamphlet written by Leon Trotsky in August 1934.
August 17, 1934
Should America go communist as a result of the difficulties and problems that your capitalist social order is unable to solve, it will discover that communism, far from being an intolerable bureaucratic tyranny and individual regimentation, will be the means of greater individual liberty and shared abundance.
At present most Americans regard communism solely in the light of the experience of the Soviet Union. They fear lest Sovietism in America would produce the same material result as it has brought for the culturally backward peoples of the Soviet Union.
They fear lest communism should try to fit them to a bed of Procrustes, and they point to the bulwark of Anglo-Saxon conservatism as an insuperable obstacle even to possibly desirable reforms. They argue that Great Britain and Japan would undertake military intervention against the American soviets. They shudder lest Americans be regimented in their habits of dress and diet, be compelled to subsist on famine rations, be forced to read stereotyped official propaganda in the newspapers, be coerced to serve as rubber stamps for decisions arrived at without their active participation or be required to keep their thoughts to themselves and loudly praise their soviet leaders in public, through fear of imprisonment and exile.
They fear monetary inflation, bureaucratic tyranny and intolerable red tape in obtaining the necessities of life. They fear soulless standardization in the arts and sciences, as well as in the daily necessities of life. They fear that all political spontaneity and the presumed freedom of the press will be destroyed by the dictatorship of a monstrous bureaucracy. And they shudder at the thought of being forced into an uncomprehended glibness in Marxist dialectic and disciplined social philosophies. They fear, in a word, that Soviet America will become the counterpart of what they have been told Soviet Russia looks like.
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Such a time has not yet come, though America will certainly reach it before any other country. Until then, the only way to reach such a state of development is to retain an effective regulator and measure for the working of your system. As a matter of fact, during the first few years a planned economy needs sound money even more than did old-fashioned capitalism. The professor who regulates the monetary unit with the aim of regulating the whole business system is like the man who tried to lift both his feet off the ground at the same time.
Soviet America will possess supplies of gold big enough to stabilize the dollar – a priceless asset. In Russia we have been expanding our industrial plant by 20 and 30 percent a year; but – owing to a weak ruble – we have not been able to distribute this increase effectively. This is partly because we have allowed our bureaucracy to subject our monetary system to administrative one-sidedness. You will be spared this evil. As a result you will greatly surpass us in both increased production and distribution, leading to a rapid advance in the comfort and welfare of your population.
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Soviet America will not have to imitate our bureaucratic methods. Among us the lack of the bare necessities has caused an intense scramble for an extra loaf of bread, an extra yard of cloth by everyone. In this struggle our bureaucracy steps forward as a conciliator, as an all-powerful court of arbitration. You, on the other hand, are much wealthier and would have little difficulty in supplying all of your people with all of the necessities of life. Moreover, your needs, tastes and habits would never permit your bureaucracy to divide the national income. Instead, when you organize your society to produce for human needs rather than private profits, your entire population will group itself around new trends and groups, which will struggle with one another and prevent an overweening bureaucracy from imposing itself upon them.
You can thus avoid growth of bureaucratism by the practice of soviets, that is to say, democracy – the most flexible form of government yet developed. Soviet organization cannot achieve miracles but must simply reflect the will of the people. With us the soviets have been bureaucratized as a result of the political monopoly of a single party, which has itself become a bureaucracy. This situation resulted from the exceptional difficulties of socialist pioneering in a poor and backward country.
Read the rest here: http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1934/08/ame.htm
In soviet America, Russia makes jokes about YOU.
It probably won't be named communism - too embarrassing for all the propagandized Americans, it will be called a 'resource based economy' or something.
In America we joke about you, u were in the park last night, don't deny u gay orgied last night.
I agree. "Communism" is a "brand" with high level of rejection. Another "brand" is needed to rename the only rational system on Earth.
The rationality of trust fund baby wankers
rations are for soldiers
The human race isn't capable of living in a state of communism. It just isn't mature enough yet. It's the major reason communism failed in almost every incarnation so far - people like having options. They like having choices. There aren't too many "brands" in a genuine state of communism. If we're headed that direction, it would need to step toward democratic socialism first.
I would argue that capitalism was at its strongest under the New Deal, and that what we have now is part of the decay series, if you will, of improperly managed capitalism. The idea of a capitalist system is that goods and services are allowed to trade on an open market and individual markets are kept as close to perfect competition as possible. This in turn allows new ideas a chance to flourish without being stamped out by existing interests. The latter half of this statement is the part of capitalism that can decay very quickly if not maintained by an active government through appropriate taxation, fairly involved regulation, and consistent monitoring of individual markets. Each business wants a bigger market share and fewer rules because they see short-term profits that way, while regulation and an open market are necessary for the system to work: it's the tragedy of the commons all over again, only the commons is now a market rather than a pasture. In short, capitalism works incredibly well but is not very stable, and what we're seeing now is what happens when it manages to defeat those policies intended to stabilize it. Now, as far as restabilization procedures go for both our country and our economy, I personally would look to the New Deal as the model most likely to bring the country around and I look to OWS as the people most likely to demand implementation of New Deal-style policies to bring capitalism back around to where it belongs. This may in fact grow to include a "public option" for most major industries, hopefully alongside an increased voice in public policy for the average citizen through grass-roots movements like OWS. I personally wouldn't call that communism, but I think you will see what I have said above as a worthy goal for the country.
Very interesting. thanks
Awesome post.
Please ignore the part about "eugenics" that Trotsky writes at the end of the article. "Eugenics" was a very common sense idea back in the 30's, and Trotsky, as man living in the 30's, was not insulated from such ideas. Anyway, Trotsky's conception about "eugenics" had nothing to do with "race". Rather, it's more about prevention of genetic diseases and stuff like that.
hmmmm...ever wonder why communist countries don't have free open forums such as this one? ever wonder what happens to people in communist countries that protest the existing government?
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Fail.
"it will discover that communism, far from being an intolerable bureaucratic tyranny and individual regimentation, will be the means of greater individual liberty and shared abundance."
I'd like to believe this but I just can't.
I want the government to leave me the fuck alone. To that end, I am becoming more & more libertarian than I used to be. I don't like the clinical, dispassionate stance the libertarians take toward social issues and I don't like the simplistic notion that privatizing everything solves all problems. But I do want to be left the fuck alone as much as possible, both financially and when it comes to my right to individual choices.
I think "communitarianism" can work for small groups but the US is way to big to become a communist state and not have tyranny set in. I mean we are headed toward tyranny, fascism, totalitarianism now and we already have an overblown bureaucracy which would never dismantle itself peacefully.
A socialist--capitalist mix like you see in the Scandinavian countries would be the best form of government for our country in my view. They also happen to have some of the most successful economies on the planet.
Yes, lets all become Trotsky devotess, just like the neocons!
No thanks. I'll stick with Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Sam Adams, et al.
The Fraud of Neoconservative "Anti-Communism" (Communism is international Zionism)
*It is a well-established fact that many of the early luminaries of neoconservatism (most famously Irving Kristol in the 1940's, a more recent famous example being David Horowitz) came from Marxist backgrounds, and that neoconservatism (like Marxism itself) began and continues to be a largely a phenomenon of Jewish intellectualism. In the early part of the 20th century, Marxism attracted a disproportionate pool of Jewish recruits for a number of obvious reasons. There are a number of complex psychological and social reasons for the attraction, all of which largely stem from the fact that Marxist internationalism is an ideology which by its very nature finds disciples among a rootless, anti-religious urban intelligentsia.
More important for the purposes of this analysis, however, are the practical reasons for Jewish sympathy with Bolshevism. European and American Jews alike carried deep-seated hatreds for the traditional regimes and religions of the European continent, particularly Czarist Russia and various Eastern European nations due to (real and imagined) "persecution" and "pogroms" that occurred there. Thus, when the Bolsheviks overthrew the Czar, destroyed the hated Orthodox Church, rendered powerless the landed religious peasantry, and replaced traditional Russian authority with a largely Jewish Commissariate, world Jewry (including alleged "capitalists" like the Schiffs and Rothschilds) embraced the Revolution and Marxist ideology alike.
With Russia becoming an effective Jewish colony where "anti-Semitism" was an offense punishable by death and the native gentile culture was effectively stamped out (thanks to a leadership consisting mainly of Jews such as Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, and Severdlov, held together under the stewardship of the obsequious philosemite Lenin), Jews throughout the world put their hopes in the possibility of similar revolutions elsewhere. Indeed, their comrades in arms were hard at work affecting similar changes in Hungary (Kuhn), Austria (Adler) and Germany (Eisner). The rise of Fascist and Nazi movements only served to further polarize Jewish support in favor of international communism.*
http://www.originaldissent.com/shpak051502.html
Interestingly, these are the same people who control international finance!
Obligatory "lololololol ice pick"
Dismantle of political party system. Abandonment of Lobbyist. End Privatization of the Federal Reserve. Enforced regulation of Wall Street. Health Care & Universities available to ALL Americans . Close all foreign stationed Military Bases. Tax breaks to small business to be able to compete price wise with larger chain stores. Higher taxes on imports and tax breaks for companies that stays U.S. Based. Build American Farming infrastructure again. Reduce Military Budget. Out of All Wars. No Drones in countries we are not in war with. Transparent Govt. For the people by the people. Over hall of the Food and Educational System.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EISikrLcSw8
Jewish settlers evicting Palestinians from their home
Communism is discredited with everybody, even communists.
Great, but it's not going to happen. This is not a communist movement. Communists can join us, since they're part of the 99% too, but it ain't gonna happen.
Seaglass....you are just being exposed for the zionist shill that you really are....you want freedom for the masses - the MIDDLE CLASS yet you are ok with what Israel and the jewish bankers do....this is a joke
Obama has 1 million for his campaign, let's go to white house lawn. He will help, he will give us hand out. Greedy business will not
I am for communism (a classless, stateless society) but only if its qualified with an anarchism. Libertarian communism is the way to go. Marxists can fuck off, we don't need a vanguard, a transitional period or any authoritarian control to liberate ourselves from capitalism.
Do you REALLY believe that a transitional period is not needed? Do you REALLY believe you can abolish all kind of governments overnight?
haha do you REALLY believe the state will wither away? And I'm not saying forms of authoritarian control will disappear overnight but that our organizing should reflect an immediate desire to render the State irrelevant.
Trotsko man....I tell the truth...you are a zionist insect....you are the same type of flea that supports Israel...I do not support Israel nor do I support my country backing that welfare state...in fact, it disgusts me. Call it like it is - zionism is evil, Trotsky was a scumbag murderer who hated gentiles....anyone who reads this, take a look at the Talmud - here you will find what jews really think about gentiles....such arrogance and stunning prejudice....what kind of religious document claims its ok to kill, steal or lie to a gentile???
Oh, really? Did you know that we, the Trotskyists, were the ONLY political faction in the West that opposed the creation of the State of Israel during the 40's?
The Nazi supported the creation of Israel. The US government supported the creation of Israel. Stalinist government of USSR supported the creation of Israel. Only the "troskos" opposed it.
Today we, the "troskos", are considered to be the best friends of the Palestinian people.
So, get some study before you dare to call us "Zionists", moron!
Man oh Man..ignorance is rampant.
We do NOT have Capitalism which is when the markets respond to supply and demand and which requires a strong legal framework and sound money as accountability factors.
We have CORPORATISM TODAY! The MERGER of Big Banks/Corp with corrupt.....CORRUPT GOVERNMENT, backed by FIAT money!!!
When are you people waking up? WHEN?????????????????????????????????????
Stop this bullshit, man. What you call "corporatism", Lenin called "Imperialism, a new stage of capitalism". Just a natural consequence of capitalism. Capitalism ALWAYS evolves into corporatism. It's a natural law. There is no escape.
Yeah....Lenin's theories worked so well for him....
Corporatism is a natural consequence of human natures corrupt mind! Communism was just as much corrupted. There was NO true Communism in the former Soviet Union.
This is not bullshit! This is IGNORANCE!!!!!!!
Yes Corporatism IS Imperialism but it is NOT TRUE FREE MARKET as Adam Smith wrote about in Wealth of Nations.
It has NOTHING in common.
Not SOUND money....versus TODAYS FIAT MONEY!
There are REQUIREMENTS for Capitalism to work and they are NOT IN EXISTENCE today!
The "free markets" that Adam Smith wrote about in Wealth of Nations always lead to the formation of large and powerful corporations, its a NATURAL process of economic concentration.
No it is NOT the natural process that leads to this. It is the process of corruption that does. Friedrich Hayek wrote extensively on true free market and how economic freedom ( that has to have accountability factors put in place or it does not work) and civil liberties go hand in hand. Collectivism always leads to destruction , no matter how well intended the original intend was. Hitler for example rose to power because the Weimar Republic already had socialistic tendencies where the masses looked for govt ( a central power) to solve their problems. Hitler merely was appointed and expanded this CENTRAL power on the premise to improve peoples lives while leading them towards evil and destruction. When people COLLECTIVELY surrender their liberties to a government, the government ( central power) is easily corrupted!
This pamphlet is a very interesting reading
Communism puts the wealth and control in the hands of a 1% just like we have in America. I don't want my life controlled by the government, in fact I want the state to stop what they are already imposing on us. Communism is not the road to freedom, bro. Read some history books.
"Communism puts the wealth and control in the hands of a 1% ..." Who said that? This conception of communism is totally wrong. Just read the article. Trotsky explains that communism is actually "radical democracy", through the "Soviets" (people's commitees to oversee and control the government).
Trotsky was in love with his own mother.
Tell me-can you give me the historical facts regarding the number of people who DIED of starvation and exposure when they had "communist" leaders either taking over or actively ruling them?
I'll wait.
Ok the whole point of the article is a criticism of Soviet style communism and that it didn't work but that in America we would institute a different kind of communism. And this applies to other cultures that used the soviet model. He is saying that America is the only nation that could be the first communist society. Read the damn article.
You will never institute communism in this country with the full knowledge and approval of even the majority of it's people. Saying that "our" communism would be anything better or worse than ACTUAL communism is idiotic.
See you are saying that ACTUAL communism is soviet style communism and the point of the article is to refute that claim.
I don't care whose style you think I'm referencing. If you called an adorable pink, stuffed elephant a communist pink, stuffed elephant-no one would want to pick it up and hug it, even if it's still adorable.
Interesting how Leon Trotsky explains that real communism is not what they had in Stalinist USSR, and how real communism would work in the USA.
Interesting how Leon Trotsky and Ron Paul have similar ideas about the gold standard...
I bet I can take ANY two people on ANY political scale and find ONE thing they agree on. This is a non-logical argument.
Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
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Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
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All these wars in the middle east were not for oil....take a look at our government representatives that are Israeli/US citizens.....it's crazy. Many American brothers and sisters have died in combat for the "chosen ones"....wake up America....we've got to do something about this.....these wars only benefit Israel....
It didn't take long for the anti-Semitic left to show up here. Nice , you can say good-bye to huge nos. of people who hate you creeps.
what is anti-semitic? It's ok for you to kill arabs and use terms such as "muzzie" yet any time someone calls you out on your evil actions they are an antisemite.....semite is arab...not white jews who steal land in the middle east....
Steal shit Nazi boy.
it's all jewish propaganda and from what I hear the movement is run by jews....most of us want equal representation - in government, wall st, etc - blacks, arabs, whites, etc.....my question to all of you is why are jews over represented (considering they are 3 % of our population) in government, the media, finance, etc???? Equal for all folks not just jews....many americans are tired of hearing the old antisemitic whine.....if anything, the palestinians have a legit claim on this because those scumbag zionazis are trying to exterminate them
Your sick, go away nobody here is buying your Nazi shit. Oh and by the way the Pals leader the Mufti of Jers. spent WW2 as a personal guest of the Nazi leadership in Berlin. He then was allowed to return to his old job by the British, where he spent the next yrs. spewing his hatred against the Jews.
Folks, I used to work in the banking industry (in NYC - worked for two major investment banks) and hated it....went to the education field....it is simply not true what many people say here....jews dominate this field....many large corporations are headed by jews...many of the Board of Directors and shareholders are jewish - they are simply over represented...the facts are out there. Money is their god....they love exercising power of others too.
Anyone who supports IsraHELL is insane....billions of our taxpayer dollars are going to that welfare state. How insane was it when Israeli PM Netanyahu said "The 9/11 attacks were very good for Israel." Research Larry Silverstein...Israeli Mossad involvement with 9/11....demolition etc.....it's all out there now...we just have to pass on the word
Nazi lying killer!
And in what context did he say those words? Do you even care about truth and honesty? Is that the best you can do for "proof"?
The actual conversation in which the man said that Israel was benefiting was a discussion of the the fact that the US was now helping them push back the terrorists living next door. 9-11 proved to the world that what Israel had been saying for years was TRUE and thus it helped change public opinion on invading Iraq-which was benefiting them.
If you have to remove what someone says completely from the context it was said in, or twist what he said in ANY way to prove your point, you're lying.
9/11 was a Mossad job...it was covered up by the government and all the pro Israeli propaganda the jewish run media spews out...all the major networks are run by jews - even Murdochs mother is of Jewish heritage...no wonder FOX is an avid Israel supporter. Why is it that nobody mentions the third twin tower building that went down on 9/11 via demolition? Such a project would take weeks and weeks to set up yet Larry Silverstein had it demolished the same day of the towers - there's proof out there that he had it destroyed - he even says so himself. Larry Silverstein owns the Twin Tower properties and is also a good friend of Benjamin Netanyahu....Israeli PM. You honestly want me to believe that muslims with box cutters nearly destroyed NYC that day? It sounds absolutely silly.....jews were behind it...see 5 dancing Israelis or Larry Silverstein or 9/11 Mossad Job for the TRUTH - something the jew does not understand....
You are yet another zionist shill....a muslim hater and a radical talmudist....so that means American lives and dollars should be spent to protect communist Israel?
And you are a big purple spider and insect shill.....an egg hater and a radical lawn mower....so that means American lives and dollars should be spent to protect penguins!
That's how your statement reads to anyone who requires proof of something before believing it's true.
So you feel its the US' obligation to protect Israel? Why is that? Why should my tax dollars go to building illegal settlements for jews of euro and communist russian descent? It's the biggest fraud ever....you can't come at me with any facts...but I can fire back at you with facts.
You can build straw men arguments against me all day long and slay them with your wrath and fire. And at the end of the day-all you've done is made a big mess and proved that you can defeat your own lies.
Good way to avoid the facts....just another radical zionist juden
Aw sweetie....if you could even grasp the concept of facts....let alone display any....things might have worked out between us. But you have your lies and delusions to keep you warm at night.
I know that you don't have any....you are clueless....you shouldn't even call yourself an American....keep on supporting Zionism
YOU don't get to decide what I call myself. Not now. Not ever. And THAT is what keeps you up nights isn't it?
Americans do not owe you people anything....we have fought more wars in the name of Judaism to last thousands of years. Why is it that you people have been kicked out of nearly every nation and despised by so many people? Is this a mere coincidence?
Did you know that we, the Trotskyists, were the ONLY political faction in the West that opposed the creation of the State of Israel during the 40's?
The Nazis in Germany supported the creation of Israel. The US government supported the creation of Israel. Stalinist government of USSR supported the creation of Israel. Only the "troskos" opposed it.
The following will be quite plain and to the point for some and “antisemitic” for some others:
“JEWISH SUPREMACY”
“If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)
“If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)
“If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
“Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)
“All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)
“Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)
THE TALMUD’S HATRED TOWARDS THE GENTILES
“The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)
“If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)
“Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)
“Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)
“When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)
BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY, & ALL CHRISTIANS
[’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]
Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)
“Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)
“Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)
“She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)
“Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)
Enough stated by those who count!.
I'm sorry. You just said above not to believe anything we read or that is contained in historical books. So-oh well. Too bad for your arguments here.
Sorry, but nobody is interested in the Talmud here.
Love how the jews dismiss this....it's easy for them to sweep the Talmud's racist views under the rug.....see what I mean folks?
to the Youth of America - NO WHAT YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR AND WHY!!!!! ZIonist jew bankers are the very definition of evil....
Key to a better economy is to establish a Debt-Free Currency....it has regenerated economies but will make the Judaic Rulers/Slave Masters go insane
Ignore this creep folks he's obviously a deranged Nazi.
Stop reading "conspiracy theories", you paranoid moron. All bankers are bad, no matter if they are jews, Christians or Muslims.
And everyone who fights for social justice is a friend of mine, no matter if it's a jew, a Christian, a Muslim or an atheist.
Trotsky was a scumbag murderer - a Talmudist - folks check for yourself....these jews penetrated the Russia government and killed millions of gentiles....how is this righteous? But all we hear about is the phony WWII holohoax - in which no proof exists
Trotsky was an atheist. I bet he had never even read the Talmud. You are just a ridiculous "conspiracy theory" spammer.
Communism - a purely jewish creation designed to destroy nations....
Interest - created by jews....
America...wake up.....this is all tied together - zionism, the jewish run media, the FED, etc...it's all one in the same....it's not a conspiracy theory....take a look at how many duel citizens (Isreali/US) hold government positions.....no wonder US policy is so generous to Israel...we give billions of tax payer dollars to support that Welfare state...a state that kills arabs and claims that land was promised to them because the bible said so - this is insane and disgusting behavior
So, you need to explain why the zionists in Israel HATE the marxists, and love to call the marxists "Anti-Semitic", just like they do with everyone who support the Palestinian people.
Go to hell with your ridiculous "conspiracy theories". Marx and Trotsky were jews, but not Zionists.
Trotsky was zionist in that he felt jews were the superior race...you are a clueless little zionist freak. Trotsky was a military officer who had his hand in millions of gentile murders...if this is what you support than you are just as bad as your zionist idols....
by the way...what is anti semitic? Most jews aren't even truly semitic....Israelis would be antisemitic because they are trying to wipe out the palestinians - true natives of that Middle Eastern land...
@In soviet America, Russia makes jokes about YOU." lol
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NAZI prick your kind killed my family. Let me find you and you'll regret your tirades in here!
You are a Nazi. You hate Jewish people. You are just a mentally ill hater.
I would argue that capitalism was at its strongest under the New Deal, and that what we have now is part of the decay series, if you will, of improperly managed capitalism. The idea of a capitalist system is that goods and services are allowed to trade on an open market and individual markets are kept as close to perfect competition as possible. This in turn allows new ideas a chance to flourish without being stamped out by existing interests.
The latter half of this statement is the part of capitalism that can decay very quickly if not maintained by an active government through appropriate taxation, fairly involved regulation, and consistent monitoring of individual markets. Each business wants a bigger market share and fewer rules because they see short-term profits that way, while regulation and an open market are necessary for the system to work: it's the tragedy of the commons all over again, only the commons is now a market rather than a pasture. In short, capitalism works incredibly well but is not very stable, and what we're seeing now is what happens when it manages to defeat those policies intended to stabilize it.
Now, as far as restabilization procedures go for both our country and our economy, I personally would look to the New Deal as the model most likely to bring the country around and I look to OWS as the people most likely to demand implementation of New Deal-style policies to bring capitalism back around to where it belongs. This may in fact grow to include a "public option" for most major industries, hopefully alongside an increased voice in public policy for the average citizen through grass-roots movements like OWS. I personally wouldn't call that communism, but I think you will see what I have said above as a worthy goal for the country.
NO OTHER DOCUMENT IN WORLD HISTORY has done more in creating a political class with a distinct racial agenda than the Balfour Declaration. Succumbing to Jewish pressure in the midst of WWI due to its need for funding from Jewish banks, Britain surrendered its autonomy and eventually its empire when a letter addressed to ‘Lord’ Walter Rothschild from British Foreign Secretary, Arthur Balfour, was made public:
“His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object…” View Balfour Declaration Here.
The key visible figure maneuvering the British government into this commitment was Jewish chemist, Chaim Weizmann, who rose to prominence in England for developing a method of producing acetone from maize which was needed for the production of artillery shells.
Weizmann, like many of his Jewish co-religionists, promoted the initiative to transfer all Arab residents out of Palestine in spite of contradicting the Balfour Declaration’s proviso insuring the “civil rights of existing non-Jewish communities.”
The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians (and the ethnic perpetuation of Jewry) was now in place.
By 1930, specific plans for “the transfer of Palestinians” were refined by leaders such as Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir, and Moshe Allon. Meeting for years on a biweekly basis in the “Red House” in Tel Aviv, these leaders agreed on the ‘necessity’ of carrying out the following steps:
• Killing Palestinian Leadership • Assassinating Palestinian Political & Financial Supporters • Damaging Palestinian Transportation • Poisoning Palestinian Wells ( View Entire Story Here, Here, Here, Here, & Here.)
With their plan fulfilled all that was left for International Jewry to embark upon was to insure the maintenance and propagation of their ‘master race.’
PREPARING THE MASTER RACE AS AN ARDENT ZIONIST, Benjamin Disraeli, late 19th century prime minister of England and a converted Jew to Christianity, exalted in the destiny of Jews as a “race.”
Building on the foundation of Disraeli’s racial views, key Jewish figures during the makings of the Balfour Declaration and long before Hitler’s rise to power, proposed a “eugenics” program to ensure “racially healthy” reproduction among their own: “the best of people.”
Jews played an active role in early eugenics from 1916 thru 1947. Names such as Rabbi Max Reichler, Richard Goldschmidt, and Hermann Muller, were part of a movement that praised the Jews for being of “uniquely superior stock” and possessing a “native endowment of brains.”
According to the National Library in Jerusalem, between 1920 and 1950, some two hundred Parents’ Manuals for Jewish couples were published in Palestine. These publications contained a Zionist worldview of which eugenics formed an integral part, subjecting Jewish mothers to an unremitting program of education, indoctrination and regulation.
One of the most prominent Jewish eugenicists of this period was Dr Joseph Meir, for whom the hospital in Kfar Sava is named, exhorted his co-religionists in 1934 to embrace the idea of racial engineering:
“For us, eugenics as a whole, and the prevention of the transmission of hereditary disorders in particular, is of even greater value than for all other nations!” View Entire Story Here, Here & Here.
ENACTING THE MASTER PLAN TODAY’S STATE OF ISRAEL, under a politically correct veneer, still practices eugenic-inspired family planning with more fertility clinics per capita than in any other nation.
When Israel declared itself an official State in 1948, Jewry no longer saw itself primarily as a “religious group” but also as a “political-racial” entity.
Thus the state of Israel defines itself as a “Jewish state” — not religiously, but racially. Any Jew who can prove his birth from a Jewish mother regardless of whether he goes to synagogue or not can instantly become a citizen of Israel.
Every state wants to expand its power for political reasons.
But for Israel, (in its quest for a Greater Israel), with Palestine being the crossroads of Europe, Asia and Africa — as its strategic center for world control — is doing what no other state throughout history has ever done before.
And that’s to ever-expand its frontiers so as to advance though a nuclear-armed military the anti-Christ cause of a Jewish borderless entity spread throughout the world. And that’s scary…
Who Controls the Federal Reserve System?
The Federal Reserve System is divided into two parts: the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, located in Washington DC, and the Federal Reserve District Banks, located throughout the United States. Here is the official website of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors:
If you examine this page, you will see that there are five members of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. You will also see that all five(5) of the board members are Jewish. This is a numerical representation of 100%. Why is this important? It’s important because Jews only constitute about 2% of the United States population*. So the odds that all five members of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors would be Jewish are infinitesimally small. Here are the five members of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors:
Benjamin S. Bernanke - Jewish Donald L. Kohn - Jewish Kevin M. Warsh - Jewish Randall S. Kroszner - Jewish Frederic S. Mishkin - Jewish
Now, if you examine the presidents of the twelve Federal Reserve District Banks, you will discover a similar pattern of Jewish over-representation. Here is the section of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors’ website that lists the twelve Federal Reserve District Banks and their respective presidents:
If you examine this section, you will see that there are twelve Federal Reserve Bank presidents. You will also see that nine(9) of the twelve presidents are Jewish. This is a numerical representation of 75%. Again, this is important because Jews only comprise about 2% of the United States population*, so the chances that nine of the twelve Federal Reserve Bank presidents would be Jewish are incredibly miniscule. Here are the twelve presidents of the Federal Reserve District Banks:
FRB of Boston: Eric S. Rosengren - Jewish FRB of New York: Timothy F. Geithner - Jewish FRB of Philadelphia: Charles I. Plosser - Jewish FRB of Richmond: Jeffrey M. Lacker - Jewish FRB of St. Louis: James B. Bullard - Jewish FRB of Minneapolis: Gary H. Stern - Jewish FRB of Kansas City: Thomas M. Hoenig - Jewish FRB of Dallas: Richard W. Fisher - Jewish FRB of San Francisco: Janet L. Yellen - Jewish FRB of Cleveland: Sandra Pianalto - gentile FRB of Atlanta: Dennis P. Lockhart - gentile FRB of Chicago: Charles L. Evans - gentile
This extreme numerical over-representation of Jews among the members of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors and the Federal Reserve District Bank presidents cannot be explained away as a coincidence or as the result of mere random chance. You must ask yourself how such an incredibly small and extremely unrepresentative minority ethnic group that only represents about 2% of the American population could so completely dominate the highest levels of the United States Federal Reserve System?.
Yea and while your @ it Nazi boy look at the NBA for an over representation of large black people as well, maybe that's because of a conspiracy also. Grow up, the Elders of Zion was a Czarist forgery and u idiots are still buying it 100 yrs. later.
AN OLIGARCHY OF POWER centered on Wall Street is now plaguing America with both an economic crisis and the demise of the American worker.
A cabal of Zionist bankers, the Israel Lobby, and the Jewish-owned media are intertwined through finance capital, political dominance, and opinion-forming propaganda — in quest of a Judaic World Order headquartered in America.
Lousy Jew creeps like Friedman see no problem with the goyim suffering. As a result of off-shored jobs which serves the interests of Wall Street — and in turn, the interests of the Israel Lobby through Jewish investment profits and consequent funding — the Zionist-dominated press is preparing American workers to accept “less” as Jewish Supremacists receive “more.”
Through its columnists such as Thomas Friedman, the New York Times has been preparing the American worker to accept a lower standard of living or “get fired” while the monetary gulf widens between the white collar Jew and the blue collar Gentile:
“Welcome to the lean years. We just had 70 fat years in America. But now is the time to trim, to fire, and to downsize services, programs and personnel.” Here.
Another Jewish apologist for the downsizing of the American workforce is Michael Mandelbaum of the Council on Foreign Relations who sees a great “taking away” from blue collar Gentiles:
Friedman and Mandelbaum even teamed up on a book touting the Globalist Jew destruction of the US. “We are entering a new era where the great task of government and of leadership is going to be about taking things away from people.” View Entire Story Here & Here.
THE ATTENTION to the export of jobs did not awaken until white collar jobs began to evaporate along with manufacturing jobs with no replacement jobs in sight. A US company can hire a software developer in India for $6.00 an hour and a data-entry clerk earns $2.00 an hour in India.
BETRAYING THE AMERICAN WORKER
WITH FINANCE CAPITAL replacing production output as the economic power in America, Wall Street Jews are investing trillions of dollars into overseas manufacturing rather than bolstering a supply-side economy with its attendant job opportunities at home.
Jewish investment banks such as Citigroup, built under the direction of Robert Rubin, (a member of Obama’s economic team), announced on 1 September 2010, an increase to their China workforce to 12,000. Along with its 29 outlets in China, Citigroup has a labor force of 50,000 throughout Asia while America’s own workforce is in decline.
Since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was signed in 1993, outsourcing of jobs to Mexico has caused the displacement of millions of American jobs. Many of these lost jobs were high-wage positions in manufacturing industries.
The number of products that Mexico assembles and exports—such as refrigerators, TVs, automobiles, and computers—has mushroomed under the NAFTA agreement.
A little-noticed provision of NAFTA permits US banks to acquire Mexican ones. In 2001, Rubin negotiated Citigroup’s $13 billion acquisition of Mexico’s leading bank, Banamex.
Gary Cohn -- another smug Jew bastard. The end result of implementation of NAFTA’s provisions is the establishment of a corporate combine of Jewish bankers actively ruling over the resources and people of the North American Continent.
Goldman Sachs, another leading Zionist Counting House on Wall Street, under the leadership of Lloyd Blankfein and co-religionist Gary Cohn, has a broad India Investment Portfolio along with branches in New Delhi and Mumbai.
Many other Fortune 500 companies like Morgan Stanley, General Electric, Reebok, Boeing, Microsoft, Philips, and IBM, also outsource to India. In July 2010, six Fortune 500 companies along with 24 multinationals moved their headquarters overseas.
Goldman has benefited substantially from decisions made at companies that have hurt working families — arrangements to close factories, paying poverty level wages, laying off workers, and cutting pensions.
Neither investments in overseas manufacturing by Jewish bankers nor “downsizing” of services affects American Jews whose income is accrued from the professions, academia, and corporate directorships.
BUT THE AMERICAN WORKER, dependent on domestic manufactures, sees himself in light of growing outsourcing, as a victim of Jewish Supremacists on Wall Street with their overseas investments and callous indifference to the American worker’s plight…
Chomsky is another closet zionist.....he blames everything on America - which true, the US had it's hand in promoting and assisting with the devils of Israel. But Chomsky had no problem living in Israel did he? Also, while he does not support the current occupation, he still feels that land belongs to the jews....amazing and twisted...
What is more racist than a "Jewish State" in which freedom of speech is limited, there are roads in which jews can only travel on (not arabs), jews are thrown in jail if they marry non-jews and military service is mandatory...this is what you support when you support Israel...billions of US dollars are going to this racist state....this is not to mention all the killings and evictions of Palestinians.....
As for Eugenics - Trotsky supported this insanity...jews back then, as they do today did not want race mixing....it is and was looked down upon...yet any chance they get they cry racism or antisemitism although Israel is a "Jewish State" only for Jewish People
Sorry. You are either lying outright or a horribly misinformed zombie with no ability to think on your own.
There is factual evidence all over the internet that demonstrates that Israel allows free speech-even against the government.(Check out Israeli newspapers) Radical Islamists living in Palestine do not. Israel has many citizens who are arab (check out census results of Israel's current population) Radical Islam torments and persecutes and KILLS Jews and Christians. They RAPE and BEAT women who refuse to convert from Judaism or Christianity. They give machine guns to CHILDREN-who needs to join the military? And they use women and children as SHIELDS to protect their "soldiers" READ A NEWSPAPER you moron. Talk to some soldiers.
Why is it that folks like Finkelstein are banned from Israel? Finkelstein criticizes Israel...that's all...
Just the Facts....you are not a straight shooter and most likely a fool who believes the history books and media - phony. Why would I want to read zionist slanted newspapers or watch FOX, CNN or MSNBC - all with jewish biases. You are probably the same person that believes that 6 million jews were gassed....clueless....America...go out and seek real facts and history....do not believe what you read or watch.....all publications and media outlets have an agenda of some kind...
Thank you for supplying even more evidence that you are indeed a vapid conspiracy theorist who believes that only a handful of people in the world really know what is "true" and the rest of us have been misled.
Oh pray tell-tell us where the "real" facts and history can be found.
But wait. You just told us not to believe what we read. So nothing you say or point us to can be believed can it?
I try not to use the word "you" when I post
it tends to incite unnecessary conflict
Trotsky never supported a "Jewish State". Never. His support of "eugenics" was just a small mistake, in a time when many good people supported this weird idea. But his conception of "eugenics" never had nothing to do with "race".
See this part of "Human Resources": video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-4Hv9pDicA
See the section about 5:30 minutes in with Noam Chomsky saying essentially a totalitarian US vilified socialism/communism to unify the country against a totalitarian USSR, and a totalitarian USSR cloaked itself as "socialist" and "communist" to hide what it was and bask in the reflected glory. The movie points to some real socialists in the forming USSR that got stomped on. And earlier it talks about a need for a new kind of economy where the drive to profit regardless of broader consequences (externalities) is somehow regulated (although who regulates the regulators?).
the public could regulate the regulators
Yes, that makes sense democratically.
the system would have to be transparent
And to some extent participatory in an ongoing way (so people understand what is going on in part by learning by doing...)