Forum Post: Ideas for Demands
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 4, 2011, 12:49 a.m. EST by fratboisurficide
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Improvement ideas brainstormed in 2007 on two topics important to this movement:
Corporate Corruption
- No other country can compare to America’s corporations and competiveness. But our Founding Fathers and best Presidents such as Lincoln and Eisenhower were very concerned about the power of corporations getting out of hand. In fact it was an unnerving concern: unlimited corporate power will always lead to unlimited corporate corruption.
- When our country was founded corporations were chartered for a limited time to serve for the good of the public. For example a corporation would be chartered for the task of building a road, then after a set amount of years it would turn ownership of the road over to the city or state in which it was built.
- In the 1880s the Supreme Court gave the rights of an individual to corporations. Since then corporate lawyers have successfully claimed more and more rights for corporations. The Fourth Amendment right against search and seizure keeps corporations from revealing too much about their accounting practices which has lead to scandals such as Enron. This keeps corporations and transparency separate. Federal agencies must also produce a warrant before they can inspect for environmental or safety issues, giving companies time to cover their tracks. So to even begin to pull the plug on this cesspool of corruption, the first step would be to reverse the decision of allowing corporations the same rights as a human being.
- The government should make it a point to document people’s hardship which resulted from any corporate corruption, put a face to that wrongdoing. This newfound corporate corruption would be exposed by greatly increasing the funding to the Justice Department corporate crime center and to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).
- Whistleblower protection much be strengthened.
- Then a company must prove itself worthy of keeping a charter, rather than allowing it to have an unlimited lifespan.
- The countless ways to maneuver around the legal system such as companies picking and paying someone auditing them as a "consultant" on that same company’s payroll, which is a jaw-dropping conflict of interest, must be addressed.
Political Corruption
- Increase limits on any concrete (money, gifts) or abstract (favors, votes) rewards given to politicians while in office.
- Prohibit elected officials from lobbying for 2 years before and 7 years after holding office.
- Require all bills to address one issue at a time.
- 75% of all funds raised for an election candidate must be collected from people who can vote for said candidate.
- All political entities must disclose the source of contributions within two weeks in a manner easily accessible to the public.
- All forums receiving government funding which host candidates from both the Republican and Democratic parties must also host any candidate(s) whose party received 5% or more of the popular votes in the last election year.
- Any candidate may only use $50,000 of their own money on political advertising.
- Ban leadership PACs (Political Action Committees); because they create a loophole around the maximum contribution by a single person. They also create distance between the elected official and constituents while in office.
- Hold state-by-state votes allowing people decide if term limits should be imposed on all elected offices.
- Increase the members in the House of Representatives.
Though I agree with your post, as normal (or so it seems tonight) I am going to play a little of the devils advocate. Yes corporations can and do create hardships, however some of the idea's you propose will in turn create their own hardships on the employees these corporations hire. As a basic example, take the idea of limiting a corporation to keeping a charter. If it failed to keep that charter, the corporation would be closed, increasing unemployment and imposing hardships on it's former employees. They would then have to seeks new jobs with no guarantees of being able to find one. Not much of a problem you might think, a small corporation would not make much of an impact, but what about a large corporation such as Wal-mart. If that was forced to close hundreds of thousands of people would lose their jobs, creating a ripple effect both in the companies the rely on wal-mart for goods procurement and in other institutions that are only tenuously linked to the chain via investments in infrastructure that wal-mart had planned for new stores.
Check the link after the edit mark on this page for a working list of goals http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/
and this Warning from the original Tea Party before it got hijacked http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-open-letter-and-warning-from-a-former-tea-party/
is there any reason why we can't post ideas for demands in one thread instead of 50?
sorry, i do know exactly what feudalism is. You trying to talk about its main features and then say that other features of feudalism are not the feudalism is silly. The dominant or single most relevant point is land ownership, certainly, but there are other features of feudalism, one of which is most certainly taxes, and to the point, by definition taxation as such begins in feudal systems. It is remarkably futile and silly to argue with me. It would be wiser to stop and take your opportunity to chat with the DJIN. capitalism is ALSO a system which has NEVER existed.
the core issues; 1. Corporate Personhood. 2. Caste Warfare; they started it. 3. Its legal to lie to the USA public. 4. They are OUR airwaves. They should be used for WETHEPEOPLE not leased by the government to corporations. Put Local colleges in charge of all the media. Arrest and seize all mass media devices and then give those devices straight out to the local colleges, including the land they sit on. We need education public media; not legalized lying and propaganda wars against the people. 5. Education reform. Everyones being kept stupid and ignorant on purpose in school and repugnicons want to argue about how to pay or punish teachers. We need child centered education reform, not a con scam to privatize education and thus score all our children for corporate zombotification. 6. Free market system. Not slave market system. Not caste market system. Not Caste warfare market system. Not rigged Casino. Not making something off of nothing and making bubbles to grease a gravy train either. Free market system. We must have one of those. Its time to have one of those. We have NEVER YET had one of those. 7. Realistic regulation of the government to regulate and control corporations so that what they do is fair and just and ethical and under control instead of a parade of unleashed godzillas turning the masses into to toe jam. 8. Real and direct representation, including no more lobbying, and including an evolutionary use of the internet with organized forums and wikis replacing the old style of congressional/ mayoral office.
"Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money"
nope. taxation period of any kind is merely and only a means to the end of creating a caste system. And even deeper, taxation dynamically entropizes a system, so its not only not necessary to regulate money, its the single largest entropic contributor to the system. The ONLY reason why we pay taxes is thats the feudal system; the idea that we pay anything remotely approaching the same thing or fair to what the rich pay is preposterous. The whole point of taxes is to distribute wealth from the poor to the rich. period.
gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
"the end goal product should be that every small community takes care of its own. Any federal system is a problem definition of something requiring more serious attention to solve. long term social programs managed by nation sized meta entities is a disaster not only socially and civilly but to the people who get third rate borg social services. A well functioning system does not need a welfare system, it only has a highly evolved net which catches people and only involves less than one percent of the population at any given time, not punishing but rehabing and educating folks. Until such time as that end goal is achieved, no hand outs is a paradox... you have to spend time and thus money in order to fix the problems till their fixed past needing time or money."
"Why aren't u in office???"
aspergers syndrome. you want to run,? i can ghost write your platform? :)
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"Understood we need more ideas then politicians anyway. The fixes are so simple but so difficult to get implemented."
? gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
i'm running for chief of staff. bit early to announce yet since i have no clue whos running on my ticket for president?
http://forums.keller2012.com/index.php i created this forum org structure. but scott keller turned out to be an idiot.
your still missing the point. your playing with math. your right. its something more like the 99.99 percent. There are 4000 or 100,000 persons depending on wether we are talking the inner or outer circle of oligarchs keeping the rest of us trapped in a "capitalism" Hotel California con scam. While you can climb upward from the bottom there are increasingly more powerful glass cielings. And on fact one of the effects of the recent bush era caste war changes is that the people who imagined themselves to be in the inside are amongst those that are losing it all. The real question is not how YOU define it. The real question is; as a system org structure, how does it operate? Thats 100 thousand peeps keeping 3 million peeps as cattle.