Forum Post: I Have Reluctantly Resigned From The Movement Until There Is An Official Commitment To Non-Violence
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 3, 2012, 12:23 a.m. EST by GypsyKing
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This is very sad to me, because I have donated a lot of time and energy on this forum to further the cause. I only post this so that everyone may ignore any further posts from anyone posing as myself here - something the rats will undoubtably do. If I do return it will still be as GypsyKing - two capitals.
Gandhi went on strike when his people became violent
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It is sad for me as well. Your contribution here has been thoughtful and from the heart. I will miss your presence. The OWS leadership should.
GypsyKing, I am very sad to see your decision to leave, and wish you would reconsider. The movement needs every intelligent non-violent soldier in this class war that it can get. It is up to the intelligent, reasoning ones like yourself to continue to provide input and direction to those who would wish to take a violent path. It has been suggested, and could very well be true, that the movement has been infiltrated with agitators whose purpose is to promote violence and thus destroy the credibility of the movement. Only calm and sane minds can counter the violence whether caused by infiltration or not. Yours is such a mind. For the sake of the movement, I ask you to reconsider...please.
If this anything like the past, the violent elements will legitimize a violent crackdown in the eyes of anyone who may have ever attempted to consider themselves "99%" I've never been a big fan of the 1 vs 99 terminology though wanton destruction and silly attempts to upheave daily life generally lead, say the people who are wealthier than 60% of the population, back clinging to their 1% authoritarian provider.
I understand the desire for non-violence, but unfortunately, forces of evil took advantage of it and sucked all the passion and lifeforce out. If you allow this, and re-integrate into the mainstream, you will find the very soul of the generation dying a long slow death into old age.
Are you going to resign from America until there's an "official commitment to non-violence"???
I assume ANY suggestion advocating violence in any form, whether overt or subtle, to originate from agent provocateurs. Those opposed to OWS and the interests of the 99% have everything to gain from encouraging violence. This includes disaffecting constructive participants such as GK, spreading dissention among members of the movement, frightening and alienating those of the 99% not yet involved in the movement, but who need to be, and last, and perhaps worst, providing pretext for the forces of reaction to act to crush the movement.
OWS has everything to lose, for just those reasons, and nothing to gain.
Great points.
Thank you.
GA-APPROVED 1/17 SEMI-FINAL DRAFT OWS VISION STATEMENT (UPDATED)
i must have missed it, there is violence?
No, there is a lack of iron-clad repudiation of violence that can be used against us by instigating violence and then using the media to hype it. Remember how the media made John Kerry's military service the issue, rather than George Bushes? That is their power to shape a narrative. In order to couteract that we must have an unequivical statement from the NYNGA, the only official body that speaks for this movement, against any sort of violence. That way, any violence that goes on is automatically NOT conducted by any part or offshoot of this movement, and they cannot say that it is.
I'm not for violence - but I want them to be afraid. And by them I mean the media and the government. Fear caused the patriot act - can fear reverse it? I'm posing the question is all? Should people fear their government - or should the government fear its people? Right now no one is afraid of this movement at all ... they laugh and call us a bunch of want to be hippie loser spoiled brats who don't have a point. And by them I mean the media. We are in the same fight Ghandi was even on a grander scale - so did he achieve his end if it never ended? You can create fear without violence the media did it the best after 9/11 - only what we need to do is make people fear the fact that this movement won't achieve it's goals ....not that we will be violent not that we want the rich's stuff or their money - but that our government will take away freedom - and this is the point we need to get across. What is our government ? What are it's boundaries - are we allowed to protest only if our numbers remain small? Are we allowed to protest on public property but only for a limited time - and only if our numbers don't get too large? Is the media allowed to stir up fear but if we do we get arrested? Please let's just have the discussion. They're going to turn this movement into whatever they want I understand you don't want to add fuel to their fire - but then what separates that from accommodating them and censoring yourself to comply to their rules? This is not a chess game - they have your moves already - all we can do is clear off the board. Can I go to jail for writing this - do we even have free speech anymore? Should we challenge those boundaries and show the people their end game to end our freedom and make us all productive little consumer workers willing to do whatever they want as our freedom and lives decay a little more each day?
I think we can challenge all of these boundaries and win, nom-violently. It's a matter of patience and swaying people to the justice of our cause. Strength is in numbers, and we grenerate numbers through reasoned argument, and an unwillingness to back down, or go away. We are here and are here to stay.
In my mind the best way to create numbers is to keep on the moral high ground, and I also really believe that the movement needs to stay completely transparent. We can have no hidden cabals here, opperating behind closed doors. This creates mistrust and division.
Finally, I think that you simply cannot create a better world without living up to the standards you would like to see in the end run. It simply doesn't work.
I think this path is the one that will scare the powers that be the most.
Let me clarify this - no violence - but we need to create an aura of fear around the media and corporations - paint the Orwellian nightmare. This should be the message - the future depends on our ability to make this work. We need to fight fire with fire - companies using AstroTurf, plants, advertising, propaganda, the media to their advantage... turn these techniques back around. Use their example. Get heard don't allow their propaganda to stick. Dis-arm them. Play into their hands but with sarcasm, humor. Has the media declared war on occupy already? Are we allowed to fight back?
Yep.
This protest is in mourning for the state of this Country and for the state of the world as things now stand.
This protest is for the defense of tomorrow.
And I say we are already frightening the Powers That Be.
We need to keep doing as we are in peaceful protest and in using our legal rights.
We need to continue reaching out to the rest of the population, and show them that these movements ( Occupy and 99% ) are for all of us.
You should keep posting. You were the best guy here.
Come back whenever you're ready. Take all the time you need. Totally understand need for a break from the intensity and how recent violence can be utterly mortifying. We'll be here when the dust clears and we hope you rejoin us. Solidarity.
All the best. I will never leave as I know that if we don't do it now, we never will, not in my life-time anyway.
Too bad. You were one of the more level headed, polite ows'ers. We debated a couple times, but you never resorted to calling me a troll, or worse.
But, on the other hand, most reasonable folks will be abandoning this 'movement' in good time.
Remember to vote for the good dr in your local primary :-)
Yes and it is so sad when some people are braving the elements and the leaders are doing things like this: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/wall_street_cra_pad_s31YWPjPTt0TYuxLGnu7IK#ixzz1l2YmdIXn
Meanwhile, (Peter) Dutro, 35, one of only a handful of OWS leaders in charge of the movement’s $500,000 in donations, checked in (to the W Hotel) on Wednesday, the night after police emptied Zuccotti Park.
While hundreds of his rebel brethren scrambled to find shelter in church basements, Dutro chose the five-star, 58-story hotel, with its lush rooms and 350-count Egyptian cotton sheets. He lives only a short taxi ride away in Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn.
“I knew everything was going to be a clusterf–k in the morning,” he told The Post, alluding to Occupy’s own disruption plans. “How would I get over the bridge when they were shutting it down?”
The tattoo artist-turned-Occupy money man took the elevator up to the fifth-floor welcome desk, where a disc jockey spins tunes and guests enjoy a vista of the growing freedom tower.
He said he spent $500 of his own money to get the room because he wanted a good night’s rest ahead of the cause’s two-month ceremony the next day and raucous post-raid protests.
“I knew . . . there was a high probability of getting arrested,” he said. “I wanted a nice room. That’s OK. Not everybody there is dirt poor.”
He paid for the palace with his American Express card.
“It is an expensive hotel. Whatever,” he said.
What, for God's sake, does your post have to do with a syllable of GypsyKing's?
The point is the movement has no leaders. No one to guide the masses to accomplish the goals. In fact no one is sure what the goals are...and no one is one the same page as anyone else and most important...THE REST OF US CAN NOT FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HELL ANY OF YOU WANT. COULD THE REAL LEADERS PLEASE IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND lead the masses??
Today’s challenge is to not use the words, greedy, corrupt, ethics (or ethnics as I keep hearing which is funny …corporations have no ethnics) or elite. Maybe I will become your new radical leader.
First, there are goals. One is to remove corporate and created entities' money from the political processes.
As for leaders, a true leader teaches others to lead themselves. This makes us all leaders.
I lead therefore I am NOT. You need spokespersons who can stay on task when they talk. You need clear talking points that make sense. You need to make sure that your leaders are the ones that talk to the media not the jammie kids. There I have taught you. There is so much you could all learn if you had some great leaders.
You offered an opinion without offering reasons why your opinion is valid or has any merit.
If you remove created entities from expending any money to/for/or against any political process, legislative and/or electoral then the citizens can make all the decisions in our political processes.
This ends lobbying, ends PACs, essentially ends all reason for a politician to be elected except to serve the people's interests, whatever the people's interest may be.
I see this as the first step in correcting the problems with this country.
I see the OWS movement as a vehicle for this change.
You see chaos.
I see I need to go to sleep.
Bullshit. If you don't know what this movement stands for by now, you have you head up your ass. The fact that you see the words you object to so frequently should have provided you with a clue, misspelled or otherwise.
OWS does indeed have leaders. They are the NYCGA. Its leadership os the people who show up.
Well gee. NYC is so accessible to the rest of the country. When you start handing out travel vouchers maybe the NYCGA can really call itself the leadership.
Or get it online. I keep seeing posts suggesting we the people can run the country from the internet....seems ows could show the way!
oak was enuf What?
You speak so harshly. The truth of the matter is most people have no idea what your end game plan is. We are aware you don't like CEOs being paid big bucks but a true liberal believes in the rights of a person or company to make money without limiting that right. You complain about the 1% but a true liberal again believes a person has the right to make money. Liberals support capitalism. Socialist support the reallocation of others wealth as do communist. Is Occupy a communist or socialist movement?
Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion
"A true liberal believes in the rights of a person or company to make money without limiting that right"
You do NOT get to define, wrongly, Liberalism for me. You do NOT get to define, wrongly, Socialism for me. You presume, on the basis of an ability to look up a word in a thesaurus, that you are speaking to a crowd from above. Your presumption is wrong.
I am harsh because so, far your only contributions have consisted of innuendo and sophistry. Your contributions positively reek of self-appointed specialness. That is anathema to common ground, to acting with unity. And frankly, it's offensively arrogant.
And so is your constand use of the f word and troll
Those are the common definitions of the words and you my dear do not get to rewrite the common definitions of anything just because they do not suit your needs. You do not get to change the color red to blue and white to black. I am not a drone and acting with unity does not require one to become a drone.
This self appointed (TO WHAT? ) special person has worked her ass off for 40 of the last 52 years and she is not impressed you and your use of the thesauraus...since one does not look up definitions in a thesauraus but ones does use a thesauraus to come up with crafty words like sophistry and anathema...if you could remember those when you take your SAT someday you probably can get a 700. Since I know you are not smart enought to know one does not look up definitions in a thesaurus I am sure you have used one to write your rant.
Common definitions? Not exactly.
socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Hmmm, nothing about redistribution of money there FROM THE DICTIONARY.
In fact, you did NOT look up Liberalism in any dictionary, nor in a thesaurus, but Wikipedia.
From the same entry:
"The diversity of liberalism can be gleaned from the numerous adjectives that liberal thinkers and movements have attached to the very term liberalism, including classical, egalitarian, economic, social, welfare-state, ethical, humanist, deontological, perfectionist, democratic, and institutional, to name a few."
See, I can copy and paste, too. And nowhere in my version does it mention anything about free markets. So I guess you really CAN'T define Liberalism for me, since it HAS MORE THAN ONE COMMON MEANING.
As to being a drone, that's a straw man: nobody asked you to. But so far, your individualism has seemed to inspire you to write post referring to a long time and respected member, Underdog, as a brat, while missing entirely the thrust of his thoughts, and a regurgitation of a story about an OWS leader in a hotel room that had nothing to do whatsoever with the OP (nor did it demonstrate wrongdoing by that OWS leader, except via innuendo).
So, again, innuendo and sophistry. (And, by the way, I'm 55.)
What is your motivation for being here?
You are truly short two micro chips.
A OWS leader staying at the W hotel is by far the stupidest thing I have heard yet and just goes to show that this movement is not what it represents itself to be. Spending $500 a night on a hotel room when you can find a hotel room in Manhattan for $150 just goes to show that this OWS is being lead by people who are only here to promote social unrest and promote themselves. I don’t care if the leader paid for the room out of their own pocket or if the man in the moon paid for the room, the point is if you are trying to show how America’s young people are down and out you don’t go sleep in a $500 a night hotel room. If the leader paid for the room out of his pocket he is not one of the down and out now is he? So what is he doing here to start with? A false protestor with motives that are not pure like the kids that are sleeping in the LL Bean tents. Which brings me to another subject checking out the gear of most of these kids is pretty interesting. While some of them had tarps to sleep under and really appeared to be on the less fortunate side there were a lot of kids with expensive tents, $400 I Phones, very nice shoes and upscale clothing even though it was a bit dirty. OWS portrays it's self as poor young people unable to find work fighting against the big machine corporation. Disenchanted, these poor young people unable to find jobs, took to the streets demanding change and social reform. These poor young people believe that corporations are corrupt and evil. Talk to one of them on the street and the word corrupt will come up ten times. Ask them to define corrupt and they stare at you and are unable to come up with a simple answer. Ask them to explain in what ways the corporations are corrupt and they begin to ring their little hands. Then they will say one of the following: Corporations don’t pay taxes Corporations make too much money Corporations are evil. Corporations pay their leaders too much money. (like they should have a say in this)
And now lets look at what they want in their goodie bag…free everything. Does anyone think where this free stuff is going to come from? Does anyone understand other than air not much is free. (sure you do find an apple tree every now and then and can get a free apple but for the most part nothing is free other than air)
OWS is nothing more than an excuse for a huge pot part and camp out. Plain and simple. Kids go home this movement is a terrible failure and your “leaders” are a sham.
So, clearly, you don;t understand a thing about OWS other than your enmity for it.
Millionaires support OWS, Does that make them hypocrites? Or does that make them more principled, willing to change the current system to one that would benefit them less? Does that, in any way besmirch the integrity of OWS? OWS has never tried to portray ITSELF as down and out: that's your distortion alone. They object to tens of millions of people becoming down and out due to the machinations of a plutocracy, and SOME among them may be down and out, too.
Yes, many OWS supporters can't give you simple answers, Not all of them are intellectuals, But I give them credit for understanding ointuitively that there is something grossly amiss in this country. And whether they have iPod or not is beside the issue entirely. This entire country may not have become disenchanted, but virtually every one, conscious of it not, has been disenfranchised. Legislation is no longer about representing constituents (and perhaps never was entirely) but representing those who are able to pay the most for access.
Some of the young ones, undoubtedly want free everything, on a par, incidentally, with Wall street getting free bailouts with taxpayer money. They are not the core of the movement, and your attempt to characterize them as such demonstrates your prejudice and false assumptions far more than it does the movement's shortcomings.
Your posting here is nothing more than an excuse to vent hostility at people who are trying to make the country more equitable and democratic. Plain and simple. Your "expose and teaching" are a sham.
Also plain and simple, you have entirely avoided any acknowledgement of you two mischaracterizations of both Socialism and Liberalism. Don't look now, but your agenda is showing.
Why do you waste your time with this first-class asshole? It's thrassy don't you see that? Its the same guy for 2-3 months that says he lives in Bali. He has 100's of monikers on this site, including this one, he likes to throw around big words and talk about scientific method, ... but you if your an educated person, you can tell in a nanosecond that Thrassy is a self-educated fool, he claims he's in his 40's and retired in his 30's and live's in Bali, but from Vancouver, BC, ... funny the same place as Kalle Lasn, ... Everything about Thrassy and this site smells of Kalle Lasn, ..
Until this very moment, thanks to your above comment, I had not given any thought to the possibility that there could be an organized effort on the part of the power-elite to use multiple handles on this site to infiltrate/promote a disinformation campaign in order to confuse/weaken/divide the movement.
I will henceforth regard all attempts at manipulation, mind control, brainwashing, trolling, etc. as attempts to fracture the unity of the movement. Only extremely well-reasoned and logically presented arguments backed up with confirmed facts will warrant a response from me. The rest is a complete waste of my time (and everyone else's btw).
Underdog they do that on every political site online and then if you mention it they start calling you all the old failed standard names...paranooid, tin foil hat, nutjob always the same exact tactic and same words...the thing is we can all see through it now and they aren't fooling anyone.
Paranoid a little? LOL
I prefer "extremely cautious". These discussions on these posts are mental warfare.
No, it's true paranoia.
Not hardly, people have a right to think for themselves wether you get rude and attack them with childish name calling tactics are not.
Oh like most of the responses to my posts? Name calling, all most of the people on here know how to do. Immature, figures.
You are deluded.
This is the first time I've heard of this Kalle Lasn but he sounds like a guy after my own heart . . . .
I've been trying to jam repelican culture for years . . .
And when I first turned up here there was a ton of anti-semitic bullshit all over the place - probably part of the neo-con effort to trash this forum.
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You've been here how long and you JUST heard of Kalle Lasn? You really are oblivious aren't you?
Ok....so you certainly seem like you have some inside information. What's your background?
Isn't it sad that many of people who read the things posted on this board believe what they read. ....
OWS and all of occupy including this website the entire occupy movement including the 503-c1 ( non-profit IRS tax dodge ) are all owned and controlled by Kalle Lasn a Hungarian living in Vancouver, BC.
Anybody that believes in Mormonism or Scientology ( space aliens both ) may find it easy to believe that OWS has no leaders, but then why does one Hungarian have all the legal's and dollar's in his name??? Hmmmm p.s. none of this has anything to do with his adbusters.com company, he has a wall between adbusters and his OWS business, and that's what OWS is a business.
Go the FUCK AWAY, you scumbag troll.
That is a personal attack, by a BOT.
EPA1NTER is a typical BOT on OWS, and is programmed to generate general insults, whenever "Kalle Lasn" is mentioned in any context.
Let's see OWS run's these BOTS, and they violate their own rules with the use of "Fuck", and then toss in 'troll', and not missing out add 'scumbag' like its cream in the coffee.
The fact is you'll never see a BOT run by this OWS site ever say anything of interest, they're all programmed by idiots, mostly 14 year olds in Indian call centers working for $1/day.
You hate OWS. Everybody gets it. You are a TROLL. Everybody gets that, too.
Now go back to prison, where you like it more.
http://blog.inovasolutions.com/2010/indian-call-centers
why would anyone manufacture anything in the usa? the corporate taxes are too high to be cost effective.
because skilled workers and resources are in the USA
or moreso people are in the USA
does that mean that a swiss watch, french wine and perfume, german cameras, japanese cameras and T.V.'s, italian leather goods,shoes, clothing , wine and cheese are garbage?
does that mean that a swiss watch, french wine and perfume, german cameras, japanese cameras and T.V.'s, italian leather goods,shoes, clothing , wine and cheese are garbage?
rhetorical
take the stage4
Thrassy
Just the opposite, 99% of all the monikers here are thrassy, I would suggest that even you are thrassy.
Proof? FOXnews links don't count.
Repeating a half truth and/or lie repeatedly does not change the fact it is a lie and/or half truth.
I don't know the newspaper reported it so surely they must have checked their facts before they ran the story because if they did not and the story was wrong the could be sued!
So the guy pays his own freight and it is a problem. The article implies something was done where the people stole the money from the donations. Implies, half truth or lie?
This was also hashed a while back and this was pointed out. What half truth or lie are you implying?
not a problem at all. I have implied no truths, nor half truths nor lies. I have merely pointed out you have a leadership problem. Why so sensative over this? A good general sleeps with his troops not at the W hotel.
Every army encampment with high ranking officers I have ever seen had the officers sleeping in large tents and/or structures.
The way it is and the individual in question is not the leader of anything except himself.
Teaching and/or showing others how to find leadership within themselves is what makes an individual a true leader.
I make suggestions, I offer opinions and provide reasons why I believe the way I do and then people can come to their own conclusions. I do not coerce people to do what I want. I do not manipulate people to get them to do what I want them to do.
Give people the ability to make these changes themselves.
You are right sleeping with the troops went out with the war of 1812 and perhaps before. There are many wonderful, talented and smart young people involved with the movement. To hear them express themselves and open up and talk about their ideas is really great. It is just that some of the ideas are not realistic and if they made the idea realistic it would be doable...example one young guy told me someone should give him land for free so he could be an organic farmer. I asked him how much farming experience he had..he had none. I told him instead of thinking someone should hand him some land on his say so perhaps he should go take some classes on organic farming (I have done some small scale and it is not just throwing seeds in the ground and praying it is hard work). If he took some classes or contact an ag center he could perhaps do some work for a farmer and learn the ropes. NOPE. He wanted a free piece of land and was prepared to start up his farm with no resources. Ready to lose my mind I asked him how he was going to market his crops...he looked at me like I lost my mind. I rephrased the question..are you going to sell your crops at a road side stand? Take them to farmers markets? Now he looks really lost. I asked what do you want to grow. He said he hadn't thought about that...A little leadership goes along way...if not leadership perhaps a mentor.
It is a popular movement that will attract some that don't have realistic ideas/goals. Terms like "meaning and rewarding work". Who sets the standard? I look past this.
Setting ourselves up as our own masters and building the groundwork so the American People can decide what next to do is the only goal I have. The vehicle is the OWS movement.
If you see a Constitutional Amendment as a way to achieve this then you might consider being a part of this. What I see is that a lot of people cannot relinquish control not realizing they have no control in the first place.
As for the farmer and the land. Maybe you could put something forward were there is stewardship of the land for organic farming but people are required to actually qualify to through a program to do this.
You can take an idea and tweak it with your knowledge instead of losing your mind. I know how it is trying to grow food. I can't even get tomatoes to grow and I live where most plants are green all year round. The only plant that actually isn't is the trees. I can't grow tomatoes and I have tried. Two of my neighbors grow massive gardens with beans, cucumbers and so on each year.
Part of my problem is I suck at gardening. A man's got to know his limitations.
are you active in a local group?
If you are, then you will know if they are violent or not.
We can't control what happens in GAs we do not belong to - but I'm sure no one has been violent here, but this hardly constitutes a ga, or a protest.
I mean, if it's a sit in - we have some weird fuckers sitting in with us -
but whatever.
"are you active in a local group? If you are, then you will know if they are violent or not"
Although I get what you're saying, the NYCGA absolutely MUST put out a statement that it denounces, categorically, completely, and unanimously, the use of violence, and that if any local group encourages or tolerates it, it may not associate itself with OWS any longer. It must forcefully, publicly, and loudly disassociate itself from violent actions.
That does not mean such actions won't occur from time to time, but it will be done only with the disapproval of OWS, and its perpetrators expelled from further participation in the movement.
I agree that the OWS organizers should put out a press release denouncing violence.
I believe they have done that - and I believe they have also put out a statement saying that while this site supports the Occupy Movement, it is independent, and not representative of the Movement
That's not quite what i mean. Simply saying violence is not officially condioned is entirely different than declaring forceful condemnation of it.
I'm fairly sure there wouldn't be a problem getting something like that passed at the Occupy BVT GA - but they've moved the GA and I'm not sure where it is now.
That would be total hypocrisy to say just a thing, it would be an outright lie.
Why do you want to destroy OWS?
Your the same guy that wants people to stay in fixed locations like parks & tents easily managed by a few cops.
Freedom will only come when the system is terrified of "we the people",
You are an agent provacteur and nothing more, ... well your also an apologist for the police state.
Lastly, the OWS doesn't control anyone including the anarchists, so no matter what the NYCGA might write on paper it don't mean SHIT, just like the rules here on this OWS forum, they don't mean shit.
The NYCGA can protect OWS by issuing a statement. Whether it means something in fact or not, it would insulate it from slanderous stories that it advocates violence, which would destroy it more quickly than 100,000 cops would.
wish the US president would issue such- a statement
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't tell me - you've been receiving death threats?
Vandalism is not violence.
I will not argue this point with you, because you are right. Vandalism is not violence, and perhaps if directed specifically at those who bare resposibility it is justified. I don't see it as being either effective or productive. because it generally only hurts the people who are not specifically at fault, and alienates them and the majority.
But people are human, and can't be expected to take the blunt end of state violence without expressing outrage. I understand that as well. I wish we could all reach higher. But when criminals are in charge of society people must make their feelings known unequivically.
What a sad place we have come to. More than anything I want to see hope, and I see hope as expressed in genuine civilization, rather than simply the rule of the strong.
people are not property
I agree even though i only supported OWS with certain issues.
I wish you wouldn't Gypsy. I really do.
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Problem, maple? Is there something else that you wanted to say?
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Hey GypsyKing. Please reconsider. If all the people who believe in remaining non-violent leave then where does that leave the movement?
Where it is now.
I agree.
We need to stand together in support of peaceful protest.
We need to be speaking against violence.
Don't let the disruptive silence you GK.
Any idea what triggered this for him?
his meds ran out.
Now if only you would take yours.
Not really. But it can be somewhat stressful, to be here and doing your best to contribute in a positive manner and then collect the usual attack comments from the Status-quo supporters. Something must have struck a nerve at the wrong time. It is hard to stay positive, even when you know that by doing a good job you will be attacked as a sign of your accomplishment in disturbing the corrupt.
Hmmm. Answer posts. Think for yourself. That is my strategy. He should come back. He was a great contributor. I think everyone respected him.
He may just need a moment to regroup. It is OK to take care of yourself, sometimes people forget to do this and then the stress burns them.
Yes. Let's encourage him to come back. This forum sure is not relaxing, but it is kind of fun. I need a break every now and then for sure.
As I do ( need a break from T - T ) Too.
There have been quite a few offers of support and good will. Let us hope he see's them and will return after a suitable/necessary recharge.
Keep consistent with your message. Point out any imposter comments you come across. But please stay with us. We need all of the sane voices for support as we can get.
@ GK : I can only ditto 'DKA' today !!
ditto democracy is working here, and democracy is participatory
"Participation" or "Participatory" ? Tho' both apply ! + double ditto to you too ;-)
thanks, I spell checked that too, :)
"Too" !! ;-)
....lol...
Two 'Toots' To U Too : lol & LOL !! ;-)
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Well then ditto away. EVERYONE. Help us hang on to good people.
They are more precious than highly valued employees. they are here on their own time and their own dime. For the good of all.
Come back when you think it's getting saner. I'm thinking that a lot of the perceived violent tactics might be black ops people, rather than genuine #ows people.
Can't tell from here in Australia, but I have enjoyed your work here, Gypsy.
The real OWS and 99 are known for their support of health and prosperity of all, regardless of race, color, creed, religion. Politics is another matter. At least at the moment.
Politics? So everyone in the country must simply be in one party that dominates the country?
Gypsy, don't hold your breath. It is gonna get a lot worse very soon.
It's sad for me too, because GypsyKing and Epa1Nter are the same person.
Multiple personality disorders having empathy for one another, ... who could have guessed?
There are dozens of monikers here in support of Thrassy, and most funny of all, everyone has good things to say, ... just goes to show that 99% of the posters on this OWS forum are Thrassy or his bot-clones.
Later GK,it's a good thing you smartened up and stopped wasting your time trying to make diamonds out of coal.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
It's quite funny your best supporters and monikers you have created are the first to provide condolences,
Why not threaten to kill puppy's? It's worked in the past for people who didn't get their way.
Go the fuck away, you SCUMBAG TROLL
Actually, Edison tried it and he lost to Tesla.
Killing kitties and puppies is what "conservatives" do anyway, not libs.
You should read more.